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I am now in page 100. BY all means, it is a little book, and i am pretty sure i will finish it before Monday.The sad thing is-- she concetrates so much on the 'backround' story alot rather than the Man himself. SAW (- ie-the tribe, Nomadism,the Arab tribes --)


When she finaly does talk about our prophet SAW, She admits that not much is known about him SAW, before at the age of 40.Now this is the most significant part of the story,i think. Prophet Muhammad SAW was given the task of propherthood at the at of 40 and above.Why him, and why so late ,one will ask?My assumption naturally of course, is Allah has 'ordained' him with this task from the start.I mean given his extraordinary family history backround. An orphan all the way.First his father dies i think when he was a todler, then his poor mother could not afford a baby sitter of their distinguished tribe of Qurayish and was sent to live with a destitute nanny from a lower tribe. There he lived a couple of years and i am sure was shaped completely from there.Later, he goes to live with his mom and she dies not from their reunion.Then, he goes to his belovedgrand father who dies after two years.Then he his adopted by his uncle-- who will die a none believer in the end.(this part i remember from dhuksi days , but i am sure its in the end of the book as well)When i say 'ordained' i say his life was deseigned to be like this from the start- he was given this unique, upbringing that shaped his life.Not a typical man who came from a normal stable home.His challenges in life during his youth shaped him to be an extraordinary man.Of course his heart is something u are born with.


Essentially- my point is Prohphet Muhammahd PBUH was a fine living example man before he became a prophet.He was naturally endowed with the gift of a good heart, honesty and just plain good old loveable humanbeing.I think this is my lesson from the book so far.You HAVE TO strive to be a good humanbeing first--a kind humanbeing, a loving one and above all--a good muslim. Muslim by action not mouth or preaching, none of this arabman' shitzling. Cool If you mix a good natural humanbeing with a good muslim, muaamiin-- u are definitely scoring BIG with Allah subhanaah waa tacalah.

Other facts in the book:



Bilaal - whom from Dhuksi days all i knew was a black man with a beautiful voice was from Ethiopian formerly known as abyssynia. Shocked Isn't that shocking?


-Khadija proposed to Prophet Muhammad SAW first.She was in her late 30s.


-Prophets uncle refused to give his daughter to him,before he married Khadija, because he was rich enogh. Shocked


-tribalism began from arabs. First it was purely for human survival mode, but as human multiplied it became more narrowed towards --'your kind' vs 'those kinds'

-abd' in arabic means slave. - I always knew --'abiid' was slavery--but abd' is close to 'Abdi ma ha??


This my question-- since the name abdi' is very synonymous in somalia--could Somalia or Somalis be actually bastard of these merchant arabs coming to east africa from business and of course sleeping with the african madoow women in old ethiopia??I mean-- that is how Bilaal got to arab land right?


Could the famous Darood a foreign arab climbing a tree, be, be actually almost true?? I mean the climbing of the tree was a bit sensationalized of course, but he was a merchant who married a dir--code word for a bantu looking woman.(since all dir and madow and ugly ma ha?)

Your thoughts??
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Basra,
I would be thankful if you don't hijack my nick as you victimized kambuli.
Thank you in advance.

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I beg your pardon?? Huuno i dont even acknowledge your existance. I am not even aware u exist. Rolling Eyes AS to Kambuli---well--- Rolling Eyes I have no comment. Cool

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"I am now in page 100."

And why did you decide to make a post about this book when you were on pg 100 if you don't mind me asking? Is it a coincidence or are you lying?


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Mad


Good question:


Well i was moved by the book, i rushed here to share my thoughts. D ou have a problem with me talking about our diin?? Is this one those infidel moments u deny u have? Sad
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Your are a fukcing fat lier Laughing Laughing
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Hayee...Mad....its okey-- the ironic part is walaal u asked me to proove your infidelism here, and so far i have refused because i see no point in exposing a confused muslim verging on infidelism. But in this instant walaal-- u have busted out yourself. All i can do for u is --i mean all i can do for your lost soul is : Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
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Its just a bizarre coincidence of you to make a topic about this book of yours( don't even know what its about as i couldn't be bothered about reading the whole thing) when you were upto page 100. Why not when you were up to page 87, that would have given you a good idea of what it was about would it not?
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Laughing Basra, I find it interesting that the first book you read about prophet Muxamad (scw) is by a non Muslim.

about abd. Like you said it means slave/servant but it is not used on its own. People use it with any of the 99 names of Allah like Abdullah or Abdulraxman or AbdiSalaam, Abdulkariim, Abdiqaadir, Abdimalik, Abdulcaziiz etc all meaning servant/slave of God

I don't think tribalism originated from Arabs. All human beings were divided into nations and tribes by God as stated in the Quran and there are tribes much older than arabs.

Plus no one ever said Darood was an arab marchant. The legend only says that one day the Dir and Hawiye brothers discovered a scared stranger hiding on top of a tree...no one knew where he was from and he couldn't get down from the tree until he was offered a back by the Dir brother.....the legend then goes on to say how the Darood repayed the kindness of the Dir by unkindness and arrogance....this legend is obviously designed to warn people of the Daroods who as the legend says are not Samaale and are users who do not deserve kindness.
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Karen Armstrong might be sympathetic to Islam but her book is full of inaccuracies since she mostly relies on the bigoted works of the orientalists.

Why not read the Sirah from reliable Muslim authors? Why a non-muslim perse?

Cabdi = My slave. Cabd = slave.
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Basra Karen's book is intended for the non muslim audience,

i recomend Martin lingis's biography of the prophet.

it is accurate and very rich, and

martin lingis is an English Convert
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Basra,


I really don't mean to attack you or something but why you have to learn your own religion from a gaal book?. I am not questioning why did you read the book , here. What I am asking is as a learning material, why don't you read a book written by muslim?. In my humble opinion, you read a book about Muhamaded puh written by non-muslim if you already know much about Mohamed puh and looking for accurancy of the book written by non-muslim or just for a fun.

It seems to me you don't trust anyone else other than white people and those who they endorse. I have seen many people who will learn their own histroy from whiteman. How sad is that?.


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Aah i see, now i get it. Smile It is the particular 100, that perfect pitch rounded number that irks u. Well how about --i say i am at page 163 now. Good enuf odd number for u, macaanto? Smile Confused

eyes only aka Mad


Yes, i think its only fair to say- u find it interesting for me to read a book about our prophet written by a none muslim person. Well to answer your question, i wanted to be introduced to our prophet by a none muslim person who is stictly unbiased.For me--for a biographical author-- they HAVE TO BE unbiased. Just like i recently finished the first ever Diana Bio i ever read by Tina Brown.The reason i chose her was-- because of her tone of voice. She spoke from an outsider who is NOT dottingly loving to his subject that he/she misses to add some crucial facts in the story telling.(or dotting hating) I didn't want to read from a muslim, who obviously will be biased and dottingly loving towards our prophet.SAW.Make no mistake i do plan to read those ones after i finish this one.I just wanted my virginity or rather my innocence on the subject of prophet Muhammad SAW to be taken by an unbiased outsider. The key word here: I want an objective writer. Smile

Does it make sense?


As to the names of Allahs slave i get. Growing up my famous religious Wabeeneya ayeeyo used to say--we muslim or the names u mentioned exactly are 'adoon ilaahi'. In the book also Karen emphasizes muslims are supposed to be slaves to Allah.We should worships Allah completely and make him a priority.


But that was NOT my question: My question was-- why do we name ourselves 'abdis' when the word explicitly denote slavery, and then juxtapose with our penchant for 'suuroniimo' as somalis.Dont u think we will be a subject of mockery and laughter if a few arabs happen to pass by and hear us called each --abdi hebel -- abdi hebel??



U get it now - eyes only aka Mad? Cool Laughing Laughing Laughing




Warsame i think u may refer to my response to eyes only-if u will Macaanto. Rolling Eyes




gurey Martin sounds like a none muslim.Why is he so different from Karen, or is this benign chauvinism thing thats going on here. Shocked




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