arabman, are these saudis martyrs or murderers?

[musika man]

'Martyrs' In Iraq Mostly Saudis

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01270.html

if the saudis are aginst americans and want to fight & kill them, there are plenty of american soldiers in saudia arabia why don't they kill them in saudi arabia? these saudis have killed more shiats in one year than sadam has killed all kinds of iraks in his whole period of ruling irak. why do they hate the shiats this much and willing to kill themselves-suicide and the shiat civilians of all ages, even inside the mosques? why are the saudis turning irak into a big cemetery by killing every civilian? if the saudi suicide bombers leave irak, it will be peaceful and the americans will go home. no, no, no, the saudis don't like a shiat irak run by shiats or by iran. are these illiterate saudis martyrs or murderers?

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

They are murderers. They are seeking a regional conflageration, a show-down with heretic Shia's, and they will get it.

[Padishah]

Saudi's.

[*Arabman]

There are occupiers who disguise as insurgents, carry out attacks, and then blame the insurgents. The occupiers also plant bombs, detonate it from a safe distance, and then blame the insurgents. Why? Of course, it's in their interest to demonize the insurgents. The occupiers also have a grip on the media and manipulate news/reports that come from Iraq. The martyrs do not target civilians; they target occupiers and collaborators.

[Madmadoobe]

Attacks on civilians, mosques, and other places of worship are particluarly perpetrated by the Americans.
Blowing police stations, military check points, and others who collaborate with the occupiers is jihad and
needs to continue, gaalos just shouldn't be allowed to succeed. The same sort of activities should start in xamar.


Mujahid Madmadoobe,
The Commander of the faithful

[*Arabman]

Madmadoobe, some apologists would claim that you have been brainwashed by "Wahhabis" and "Qutbists."

[musika man]

^^^^

only arabman thinks he is allah and every muslim who disagrees with the saudi-wahabi politics he propogates is either an apologist, a kafir or whateva other name these foking wahabi-qutbist takfiris use against other muslims. if he is a jihadist why is he afraid to fight? without wahabis there would have been no geaorge bush and no irak invassion. we all know irak is foked up by foreign jihadists led by illiterate saudis seeking the virgins in heaven the saudi sheikhs promised them. in concert with george bush they went to irak to killing shiats

Saudis reportedly funding Iraqi Sunni insurgents.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq ... nnis_x.htm

Most Foreign Insurgents In Iraq Are Saudis

An article in Sunday’s Los Angeles Times detailing the national origins of foreign insurgents in Iraq has punctured a large hole in the Bush administration’s relentless propaganda against Iran. For months, the White House has been demonising Tehran for “meddling” in Iraq by establishing networks to arm, train and finance anti-US insurgents. Most foreign fighters, however, come, not from Iran, but Saudi Arabia, a close American ally, with which the Bush administration in particular has intimate ties.

http://www.countercurrents.org/symonds170707.htm

Anbar Sunni Tribes Turn on al-Qaeda

Anti-US Coalition Comes Apart asTerror Attacks Hit Areas Where ISF Is Now in the Lead

By Kirk H. Sowell
Twenty-five Sunni tribes in Iraq’s western Anbar Province say that they have sealed an agreement to unite against al-Qaeda because of the foreign terrorist group’s indiscriminate killing of innocent Iraqis. This is actually the formalization of a process which has been ongoing for more than a year, as native Sunni Iraqis who opposed the presence of U.S. troops came to view foreign jihadists not as the allies they claimed to be, but as enemies of the Iraqi people. The Sunni and Shi’a factions which had once found common cause have now entirely turned on each other. This has coincided with progress in the reconciliation process, although Iraqi troops, now in the lead in the north central provinces of Iraq, face major challenges as terrorist attacks in Kirkuk and Tel Afar challenged their authority.

http://inbrief.threatswatch.org/2006/09 ... nnis-turn/

Iraqi President Says Sunni Insurgents See Iran as Threat

The insurgents "do not think that the Americans are the main enemy," President Jalal Talabani said in an interview on al-Hurra television Tuesday night. "They feel threatened by what they call the 'Iranian threat.' "
He referred to the insurgents' fear of Iraq's Shiite Muslim majority, which many Sunnis believe is dominated by the neighboring Shiite theocracy in Iran.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01666.html

[*Arabman]

http://www.usatoday.com/

http://www.threatswatch.org/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/

The above links are unreliable and biased Western sources.

[muktaar]

i dont believe that a muslim will another muslim inside a mosque, its too abvious that its done by kufaar wether it Isrealis /americans or what have u, but im sure that muslim would blow up a mosque full of other muslims

[musika man]

[quote="*Arabman"]http://www.usatoday.com/

http://www.threatswatch.org/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/

The above links are unreliable and biased Western sources.[/quote]

^^^

i dont care what ur taste of media is, you posted wikepedia like it was the qur'an; like it is the truth and valid at all times for every1. but don't lie or act like you are allah and call other muslims names if they dont believe in ur wahabi-qutbist takfiri sect. you are the only one who thinks there ain't a sunni-shiat war going in irak. this is how arabs understand it, contrary to ur understanding.

"Earlier this month more than 30 prominent Saudi Islamic clerics called on Sunni Muslims around the Middle East to support their brethren in Iraq against Shias. The clerics said: "what has been taken by force can only be regained by force," a clear reference to increasing Shia control of Iraq. Saudi newspapers are full of articles that denounce what they call "Shia hegemony" in Iraq and the rising Iranian influence on the region."

from al-ahram weekly.

The Iranian Iraq

Iraq's Shia insist that they seek only proportional power, and are not Iranian stooges, writes Salah Hemeid

Twice this month, the phrase "cultural extension" popped up in final statements of two key Arab organisations -- the Arab League and the Gulf Cooperation Council -- in clear reference to what many regard as growing Iranian-Shia influence in Iraq. It wasn't the first time Arabs expressed concern about the Shia revival that followed the 2003 war that toppled Saddam Hussein. Two years ago, Jordan's King Abdullah warned of a rising Shia "crescent" extending from Iran to Lebanon. In April, in another surprisingly frank warning, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak said Shias in Iraq and across the Middle East are more loyal to Iran than to their own countries. Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states issued similar warnings, though in more subtle ways.

Arab nations appear increasingly worried about Iranian influence in Iraq and the possibility that the situation there will stir up Shias across the entire Middle East. This mistrust emerged immediately after the end of Saddam's rule as along with it the monopoly of minority Sunni Arabs over Iraq's governing structures, held since 1638 when Sunni Ottoman Turks captured Iraq and incorporated it into their empire. The empowerment of Shias has sent shivers across the region, raising fears of a region- wide Sunni-Shia split that Arabs would be powerless to control and which could greatly benefit Iran.

While Arab governments have mostly expressed their alarm in diplomatic language, some religious Sunni quarters have been much more direct. Earlier this month more than 30 prominent Saudi Islamic clerics called on Sunni Muslims around the Middle East to support their brethren in Iraq against Shias. The clerics said: "what has been taken by force can only be regained by force," a clear reference to increasing Shia control of Iraq. Saudi newspapers are full of articles that denounce what they call "Shia hegemony" in Iraq and the rising Iranian influence on the region. Meanwhile, reports in Arab media suggest that Shia money is being used to convert Sunnis into Shiism in several countries, including Algeria, Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Morocco.

In Iraq itself, while Sunni political leaders such Adnan Al-Dulaimi and Harith Al-Dhari have been vociferous in criticising the Shia- controlled government, more radical Sunni groups have been calling for jihad, or Islamic holy war against Shias. On 18 December an Al-Qaeda-linked coalition urged Sunni Arab and Kurdish tribes in Iraq and around the region to fight Iraq's Shia Muslims, denouncing Sunnis who cooperate with the Baghdad government. The appeal appeared as designed to rally Sunni Iraqis against Shias. "Chop off their heads, spill their blood, set fire to the ground under their feet and let the sky rain bombs on their heads. God is victorious, but the crusaders, Shias and renegades are unaware of that," the statement said.

Sunnis both inside Iraq and across the region claim that Iran is meddling not only in Iraq. They point to expanded influence also in Lebanon, where Iran backs Hizbullah. Some Arabs have been talking about a "Shia International" in the making, which would lead a "domino" effect energising Shia communities in other countries. Still others talk about an American-Zionist- Iranian alliance aimed at weakening, and later controlling, the Sunni dominated Arab world.

Sectarian strife and suspicion in Iraq has profoundly changed the Middle East. Since the removal of the Baathist regime, social and political tensions increased, including sectarian killings, though it is widely believed that the bomb attack on a sacred Shia shrine in Samarra 22 February 2006 and subsequent reprisals against Sunni mosques and the killing of Sunni Arabs was the decisive moment that brought deep rifts to the surface. Many observers are of the opinion that a sectarian civil war is underway and Iraqis are drawing new communal borders.

If this is the case, the ramifications will echo throughout the Middle East, which itself is a mosaic of religious, sectarian and ethnic communities. Nawaf Obaid, a Saudi security consultant, suggested that Iran has created a Shia "state within a state" in Iraq, providing support to armed groups and funds for social programmes. "Where the Americans have failed, the Iranians have stepped in," Obaid opined in an article in The Washington Post. Obaid said that Saudi Arabia would use oil and influence to support Sunnis and thwart Iranian efforts to dominate Iraq if American troops pulled out. The Saudi government fired Obaid, yet many believe he was expressing official Saudi thinking.

For some Arabs, the Shia phenomenon in Iraq is not an internal problem -- rather it is an American-created problem. They believe that the war on Iraq was meant to enhance US-Israeli domination of the Middle East and spread division among its religious and ethnic communities. They also believe that sectarian violence in Iraq has been deliberately created by the US and Britain, the two main foreign occupiers of Iraq.

By ousting Saddam, the Bush administration empowered Iraq's Shia majority and has helped launch a broad Shia revival that is expected to upset the sectarian balance in Iraq and the Middle East for years to come. While American officials avoid talking about the advantages of such a development, it could be a chance for Washington to build bridges with the region's Shia as a counterbalance to radical Sunni groups and in its fight against terrorism. That would also serve, in the long run, the goal of promoting democracy in the Arab world.

Recently, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice described the current Middle East order after the Iraq invasion as a moment of emerging "clarity" in the region. It is "one of those critical junctures in international politics," she said, "because a lot of the old bargains in the Middle East have really collapsed." In other words, what she was suggesting is that the lid has been lifted and there's a struggle between Shia and Sunni to redefine their relationship and eventually the roles of politics and religion in the region.

As for Shias in Iraq, they see it as a moment of opportunity for which they have been waiting for more than 80 years, after British occupiers excluded them when they set the rules for the modern Iraqi state. Iraqi Shias insist that they only seek empowerment proportional to their majority in the Iraqi population. Iraqi Shia leaders also counter allegations of an Iranian link, saying that while they may naturally have ties to Shias in Iran, they are not Iranian stooges. Instead, they believe Sunnis both inside and outside Iraq simply resent their new power and the general Shia regional momentum.

The region faces a daunting challenge. What Arabs should do is to avoid falling into the trap of sectarianism, which unfortunately many are doing by pushing debate on Iraq from the realm of politics into the realm of sectarianism and racism. First and foremost, they should look at Shias in their countries as being citizens and Arabs and avoid any linkage to Iran. Second, they should avoid what happened in Iraq during Saddam's rule and build nation- states and civil governments where people can share power and wealth equally. Sectarianism, as the Iraqi experiment has proven, feeds on injustice and autocracy.

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2006/826/re121.htm

[HAUDflower]

Doin stuff like dat, I don't get wha dese guys ar tryin ta be, ar they to achieve world peace like dis ere?

[*Arabman]

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/

The above link is the mouthpiece of Husni Mubarak, the corrupt secular and puppet of America.

[Madmadoobe]

[quote="*Arabman"]Madmadoobe, some apologists would claim that you have been brainwashed by "Wahhabis" and "Qutbists."[/quote]

Arabman.. I havan't been brain washed so they havan't got a case saxib. Besides what does wahabism and Qutbism have to do with the case of Iraq, its a country victimised by a coalition of gaalo countries with the intention of draining its natural resources and killing its women and children on a daily bases. No sir, insurgents there are freedom fighters and have the right to kill and kick invaders out of their country.

[musika man]

[quote="*Arabman"]http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/

The above link is the mouthpiece of Husni Mubarak, the corrupt secular and puppet of America.[/quote]

^^^

arab dude i thought u were a smart dude but u sound like a wounded liar and the reason is you are only interested in political saudi wahabi islam. why do you always give the impression you support iranians and ahmenejad? here is how the iranians view about the reality of the saudia wahabis in irak and beyond. did you see the americans punishing saudi arabia for sending the saudi suicide bombers to irak motivated with saudi fatwas? no. cause the saudi suicide bombers r killing iraki shiat civilians not americans, why will bush complain or punish his wahabi allies?. dis piece is from the iranian press service and it sums up saudia arabia, saudi clerics and their suicide bombers. muslims don't need an enemy when they have wahabis. da wahabi slogan is u either with us zionists and neo-conservatives or with shiat infidels. who will you fight for? iran or saudia arabia?

A Shi'a-Sunni War of International Dimension Looms Ahead
By Safa Haeri

Posted Wednesday, August 1, 2007

A very dangerous fratricide war that can enflame the whole of the Muslim world may take place if the Saudi Arabia’s authorities do not oblige the country’s religious instances to immediately withdraw fatwas by Wahabbi muftis ordering the destruction of all Shi’a mosques and holly places in Iraq.
“Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia and some other leading Wahhabi muftis have reportedly endorsed a fatwa allowing for the destruction of Shi’ite holy shrines of Imam Hoseyn (Shi’a’s third and most revered imam) and his brother hazrat Abbas in Karbala, of their sister hazrat Zeinab in Damascus, Syria, as well as Imam Ali, (the first Imam of Sh’ia Muslims), in Najaf, Iraq”, both the official news agency IRNA and the English-language newspaper "Iran Daily", published by IRNA, reported on Sunday 22 July 2007.

In the decree first released before the second attack on Samarra shrines, Wahhabis are asked to destroy all signs of "polytheism" in Iraqi cities, an implicit reference to the Shi’ite shrines, Iran Daily further reported. "The shrine of (Imam) Hoseyn in Karbala, as one of the main symbols of Shi’ites, should be destroyed," the decree said.

Iranian religious circles reaction to the fatwa was crushing and ferocious, describing the Wahabis as “terrorists”, “puppets of Americans and Israelis”, in an obvious effort not to attack directly the Saudi authorities.

Iranian Grand Ayatollah Lotfollah Safi Golpayegani, one of Shiite sources of jurisprudence in the Holy city of Qom strongly denounced a religious decree issued by some Saudi Mufties (religious figures) to destroy Shi’ate holy sites.
Also, Ayatollah Nasser Makarem Shirazi and Ayatollah Hoseyn Nouri Hamedani said in separate statements that the Saudi government is responsible for stopping the extremist muftis from waging propaganda campaign against the Infallible Household of Prophet Mohammad.

“Saudi Arabia has unfortunately been turned into a school for nurturing terrorism and supporting the terrorists, promoting an inauthentic version of Islam, and this recent verdict issued by Saudi terrorism worshiper Mufties is strongly denounced", IRNA quoted a communiqué issued by Ayatollah Golpayegani's Office.

"The alert Muslims of the world, prominent Islamic World Alims, scientific and university societies, elites, and statesmen of the important Islamic countries should know that the dark minded, deviated Wahhabi sect has today after a whole century of hatching anti-Islamic plots, got weaker than ever before, and more ill-famed in the eyed of the world Muslims, which is the reason why it has begun killing, massacring, destroying, and committing all types of other corrupt behaviors", Safi Golpayegani has in the communiqué reiterated.
He adds, "The brutal acts committed by this corrupt clan has led to the creation of a very negative image of Islam and the world Muslims in the eyes of the world nations, horrifying and intimidating the innocent human beings, while the dear Islam is the religion of peace, brotherhood, and all-encompassing love of God for His entire creatures".

The Grand Ayatollah stresses, "This gang of the few that is most unfortunately in charge of Islam's two holiest shrines today, has turned those sacred places to the cradle for terrorism, exporting terrorists to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and lately also to other countries, such as Lebanon, Algeria, and wherever they can, in a bid to flicker the flames of sectarian and civil wars here and there."

Iran's government spokesman Qolamhoseyn Elham said yesterday while commenting on the Fatwa (religious decree) that the world's arrogant powers are seeking to add fuel to sectarian and racial disputes among Muslims, (religious order) by Wahhabites to demolish holy sites and shrines in Muslim states.
"Such measures are taken outside the region," said the spokesman addressing reporters at his weekly press briefing. Referring to the measures made by Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, the spokesman said "Riyadh is itself under the threats of seditious thoughts. If such thoughts are followed by terrorist acts and violence, then it will be harmful to everyone".

In articles, Iranian pro-Government and official media, on the occasion of the birthday of Ali, have reminded that from the start, the Sunnis have been the “usurpers” by naming Abou Bakr, the father of the prophet’s wife, as successor to Mohammad instead of Ali, his uncle and son – in – law, and whom the prophet had named as his successor.

In a coordinated, nationwide campaign, on Friday 28 July, a number of leading Friday preachers from main cities attacked the “heretic and ignorant” Wahabbits and in order of not out rightly attacking the Saudi authorities, avoiding an unwelcome tension with Riyadh, they instead focused the muftis who, they claimed were “puppets” of America, Israel, the world imperialism and international Zionism “who directed and dictated them the fratricide fatwa aimed at dividing the Muslim world”.

“These little brained people, this nefarious sect is attached to the imperialist and Zionism. These fatwas proves tht they are fabricated by the world imperialism”, said Ayatollah Mohsen Mojtahed Shabastari, the Representative e of the Leader for the Eastern Azerbaijan and the Friday preacher of Tabriz, the capital city of this north-western province bordering Turkey.
One of America’s antagonistic policies against Iran is the encouraging the fatwas of Wahabbi muftis against the Shi’as”, added Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi Rahbar, of the central and historic city of Esfahan.

A group of university students rallied in front of Saudi Arabia?s Embassy in Tehran to protest against the recent fatwa of Saudi Wahhabi muftis who called for the destruction of Shiite holy shrines in Iraq, Iran Daily reported.
Students held banners and asked Saudi officials to condemn the move and apologize to Shiite Muslims.

The protestors voiced their readiness to protect the holy sites in Iraq and signed a petition demanding the permission of Iranian and Iraqi officials to protect the holy sites.

Relations between Tehran and the six-member (Persian) Gulf Cooperation Council had received a serious blow after a high-ranking Iranian intelligence officer appointed by Ayatollah Ali Khameneh’i as the Chief Editor of the radical daily “Keyhan” two weeks ago week detonated a bombshell by reminding readers that Bahrain, “an Iranian Province, had been separated from the mother land by a treacherous agreement imposed by the Anglo-Americans on the former Shah of Iran”.

“Although I expressed a personal view, but even today, many Iranians, as well as Bahrainis, consider Bahrain as belonging to Iran”, Mr. Hoseyn Shari’atmadari, reiterated in a interview with the London-based, Saudi-owned newspaper Al Sharq al Awsat, a daily that often the Iranians describes as “pro Zionist”.

Despite repeated protests from Manama and other GCC members demanding Tehran “clarifications” and a formal apology, Iranian authorities took no action against the article of Keyhan, as it was written by a close advisor to the Leader, stating that the item had been “his personal view and based on existing historic facts”.

This was also the point Iranian Foreign Affairs Minister Manouchehr Mottaki told the Bahrainis when he hastily visited Manama to assure them that the incendiary article was not Tehran’s official policy.

The GCC media have gone on the offensive, describing Iran as an "enemy of God and Islam", "worse than the infidel West", and an "enemy of Arabs", and Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei as an "innocent dictator".
In response, the Iranian pro-Government media accused the Kuwaiti leadership of complicity in Iraq's invasion of Iran in 1980 and the Saudi government of tacitly endorsing the blistering anti-Shi'ite fatwa (religious decree) by the Saudi clergymen.

“Why the GCC refuse to accept the historic fact that Bahrain belonged to Iran and was detached from mainland by a shameful act worked out by the Americans and the British that the Islamic Republic had the honesty to accept the fait accompli, why when the GCC claims the ownership of the three Iranian Islands of the Persian Gulf (Abou Moussa and the greater and Lesser Tumbs), why when Iran alone stands up to the American and Israeli plots and manipulations and also defends by all means the rights of the Muslim people of Palestine, it is not acts against the unity and brotherhood among all Muslims, but an article by Keyhan based on facts is trouble-making and dividing the Muslims?” Mr. Shari’atmadari charged in response to the attacks by the GCC and other Arab press.

The article was reflecting Iranian officials and media about the negative role of Saudi Arabia, stressing that according to the latest report by US military, more than 60% of the foreign fighters are Saudi nationals and several thousand of them are in US custody in Iraq.

“Officials in President George W. Bush's administration also say that of an estimated 60 to 80 foreign fighters who enter Iraq every month, nearly half come from Saudi Arabia and the Saudi leadership has not done enough to counter the influx”, the New York Times said, adding that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defense Secretary Robert Gates planned to raise Washington's concerns in a visit next week to Saudi Arabia, the paper said.
Recently, Mr. Zalmay Khalilzad, a native of Afghanistan, until recently the US ambassador to Baghdad, protested to the Saudis over fake documents distributed in Baghdad which claimed Mr. Nouri Al Maliki was an Iranian agent and had tipped off the radical Shi’a cleric, Moqtada al-Sadr, about a US crackdown on his Madhi army militia.

The Bush administration has refrained from publicly criticizing its long-time ally over Iraq and has instead blamed Iran and Syria for fomenting violence and sectarian divisions.

"What would happen if, instead of Saudis, these suicide bombers were from Iran?" an Iranian parliamentarian recently asked reporters when he accused the US of duplicity and double standards in turning a blind eye to Saudi Arabia's subversive role, Mr. Kaveh Afrasiabi, an Iranian scholar and political scientist teaching in American and Tehran universities quoted a Tehran University political scientist as having said recently. "It is not just the Saudi kingdom, the whole Gulf Cooperation Council [GCC] states run by oil sheikhs are wary of an Arab democracy blossoming in Iraq", he added, in an article in the Hong-Kong-based Asia Times Online.

Most Iranian and Western political analysts are in agreement that the Saudis do not want to see democracy being installed in Iraq, where the Government, the Parliament, the presidency and most important political parties are closer to Tehran than Arab capitals.

Generally, Sunni Arab states are convinced that a stabilised Iraq under a Shi’a Government would encourage Shi'ite minorities all over the oil-rich, strategic Persian Gulf region.

To get support from international organisations, religious instances and leading personalities condemning the incriminating fatwas, Iranian grand ayatollahs decided to mandate former president Mohammad Khatami, who now leads the International Centre for Dialogue Among Civilisations and Religions in Tehran, to go on an international tour, meeting influential people in the Vatican, Church of England, Muslim leaders etc...
A moderate middle-ranked cleric, Mr. Khatami, during his eight years of presidency from 1997 to 2005, made a great impact on most world’s political and religious leaders and proposed to the United Nations his project of “dialogue among civilisations” as opposed to Samuel Huntington’s famous “The Clash Of Civilisations”.

http://www.iran-press-service.com/ips/a ... 1807.shtml

[Phd in naago kudis]

musica man the american flag lover

do you respect american homosexuals to?