Do Islamists actually believe in the Quran?

[James Dahl]

The Qur'an 4:124 declares: "If any do deeds of righteousness - be they male or female - and have faith, they will enter Paradise and not the least injustice will be done to them."

In other words, a righteous Christian or Jew or even pagan or atheist will enter paradise just as easily as a righteous Muslim, and injustices should not be done to them. Those Muslims who believe they are defending the Ummah by attacking non-Muslims (many of which are righteous men and women) are disobeying God.

The only reasonable explanation is they do not believe the Quran to be true, and have their own ideas about what God wills them. Which by definition makes them non-Muslims, does it not?

[musika man]

[quote="James Dahl"]The Qur'an 4:124 declares: "If any do deeds of righteousness - be they male or female - and have faith, they will enter Paradise and not the least injustice will be done to them."

In other words, a righteous Christian or Jew or even pagan or atheist will enter paradise just as easily as a righteous Muslim, and injustices should not be done to them. Those Muslims who believe they are defending the Ummah by attacking non-Muslims (many of which are righteous men and women) are disobeying God.

The only reasonable explanation is they do not believe the Quran to be true, and have their own ideas about what God wills them. Which by definition makes them non-Muslims, does it not?[/quote]

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interesting point. using the word "islamists" is 7aram. the proper word is takfiri, wahabi 7izbu ta7riri etc. it is offensive to equate and identify islam with humans, any humans. there is islam and there are muslims, no such thing as islamists.

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An injustice should not be done to anybody at all even though no one equates a muslim with regards to belief if they have pure faith, excluded are tribalist focks who worship their ancestry, these are animists claiming to be muslims. Hope I clarified something for you.


A jew doesn't equate a muslim, nor does a christian equate a muslim in the eyes of God. A muslim worships only the creator, believes in all prophets sent by god, while other communities associate partners with him and are in denail of the last messenger. An atheist is in denial of God's existence altogether.

And I am not saying the inequality between a muslim and others should be grounds for an injustice, just clarifying that they are not equal.

[James Dahl]

So being a Muslim by itself makes you more righteous than a Christian or Jew or Atheist? Where does it say that in the Quran?

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James Dahl, Being a muslim alone doesn't make one a righteous person. Accepting deeds by God requires purity of faith, monotheism. So while a jew and a christian may do a better deed and be kinder person, more considerate than a muslim, Allah won't accept their deeds as long as they are committing the sin of polytheism and disbelief. If they fix that shortcoming by following Allah's guidance, then their deeds are rewarded in multiples, far more than a muslim who was born in islam would be rewarded.

One needs to fix their relationship with God for their deeds to be accepted by him if they were aiming to please him. That is where Jews and Christians fall short.

[James Dahl]

(Quran 4:135). “Let not the hatred of a people swerve you away from justice. Be just, for this is closest to righteousness.” (Quran 5:8)

Justice here is placed preeminent above all other righteous traits.

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I don't disagree with you on the point you made above, but islam as a faith doesn't equal judaism and christianity, hence, a muslim being above others in terms of beliefs. In terms of deeds, a jew or a christian, or an atheist can be better. There is distinction between islamic beliefs and other beliefs.

As for justice, muslims are required to be just even if that puts them at a disadvantage.

Anyways, looking at this website, there is no use to talk about islamic teachings.

[Salahuddiin]

Emphasis is on the word FAITH and when people of the book hear about Islam and Muhammad (saws) they should believe in him or they will be among the losers. In Qur'aan it also says:

"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islaam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." (3:85)

And our Prophet (saws) confirmed this saying:

"By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, there is no-one of this Ummah, Jew or Christian, who hears of me then dies without believing in that with which I have been sent, but he will be one of the people of Hell." (Sahih Muslim, 153)

Now there are some aayaat that could implicate that non-muslims could have reward, like in Baqara:

"Those who believe (in the Qur’an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve"

For example the story behind this aaya is when Salman al Faarisi (ra) asked Muhammad (saws) about his friends who died before meeting Muhammad.

The reason why muslim umma is so low and humiliated is not because of these "wahhabis and takfeeris". Actually they are only real men left in this umma and only ones who try to hold up the honor of Islam and muslims. Reason for this humiliation are modernist cowards who want to use western ways and ideologies and this has been stated by our Prophet Muhammad (saws) in authentic ahadeeth:

"If you trade in each, and follow the tails of cows, and became content with being farmers, and ignored jihad, Allah will impose on you a humiliation that would not be taken away until you GO BACK TO YOUR RELIGION." (Abu Daawuud, saheeh)

"The People will soon summon one another to attack you as people when eating invite others to share their food.” Someone asked, “Will that be because of our small numbers at that time?” He replied, “No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be froth and scum like that carried down by a torrent (of water), and Allah will take the fear of you from the breasts (hearts) of your enemy and cast al-wahn into your hearts.” Someone asked, “O Messenger of Allah, what is al-wahn?” He replied, “Love of the world and dislike of death." (Abu Daawuud, Ahmad)

"Whoever has not fought or prepared a fighter or taken care of a fighter in his absence, Allah will strike him with a disaster" (Abu Daawuud)

"Whoever dies and has not fought or had the intention of fighting dies on a branch of hypocrisy" (Muslim)

etc etc...

[James Dahl]

Hadith cannot be used to counter something written in the Quran. Hadith are hearsay and tradition, while the Quran is the word of God.

For instance you have several Hadith above which contradict the Quran, which do you believe? Do you believe the Hadith OVER the Quran?

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James Dahl, Before I log off, how much have you read about islam? You are a good person saxib(friend), I hope you become a muslim God willing. You are better than many on this website alone, so called born-muslim savages full of hate their parents never taught a single good deed. What waste!

And the hadiths don't contradict the Quran if they are Authentic. And they are not a hearsay but words quoted from the prophet or actions seen done by him his companions quoted. These hadiths have to meet certain criterias tob e accepted and they have grades from authentic, good, to weak and fabricated.

Anyway, read more and hold on to quick judgements before you learn much. Ciao.

[Salahuddiin]

[quote="James Dahl"]Hadith cannot be used to counter something written in the Quran. Hadith are hearsay and tradition, while the Quran is the word of God.

For instance you have several Hadith above which contradict the Quran, which do you believe? Do you believe the Hadith OVER the Quran?[/quote]

Bro this is very dangerous path that you are taking. Of course Qur'aan is the the first source for muslims and after that there comes Prophet (saws). Don't belittle the value of our Prophet's commands and there's a hadeeth-science to find out what is hearsay and what was said by the Prophet (saws).

Bro how do you pray and how do you fast? Or how do you any of the cibaada? Why you trust ahadeeth about them but reject the rest?

[Hyperactive]

I can imagine where original posted getting.
Allahuma ij3alna minal firaqatel najin.

[*Arabman]

[I can imagine where original posted getting.
Allahuma ij3alna minal firaqatel najin.]

Anti-Hadith Muslim?

[Hyperactive]

Ninyahow dadkan laba kitab akhriyo they got confused and try to act like they have done the whole islamic studies. Things got nasty in some points o shekady wahy gartay in 7aram maki iyo masjid al nabawi, shafi'i koma daba tokan jirin hanafi or maliki or hanbali balse because of their wisedom they came over differences and respected each other when imam shafi put elmi' al 0sool al fiqhia.
balse in all our hadeth tradition la 7oro o la yirah ma aha neccessary tas wah so'ona ya ma aha.

[Somali_4Life]

The verse says: and have faith. This righteous person should have faith in Allah,His Angels,His prophets,His books and believe in the Last Day.So you lose unless you become muslim.