MadMac converted to Islam

[Basra's Stomach]

April Fool's!!

[Kramer]

u the fool, u post this on october-and u talking about April.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

It ain't April!!!

Not in this lifetime. I have a high opinion of some Muslims, but a low opinion of Islam.

[Basra's Stomach]

Do you honestly believe that Basra's Stomach cares about what you guys say?

[FAH1223]

[quote="MAD MAC"]It ain't April!!!

Not in this lifetime. I have a high opinion of some Muslims, but a low opinion of Islam.[/quote]

Odd

its normally in reverse

Never say Never

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Fah
I considered it, researched it, and rejected it. And for good reason. The Muslims on this site are bound by the fact that they were born into Islam. I was not, so I could view it objectively (just like I viewed Bhudism objectively and rejected it). Unlike you people here, I was also able to objectively look at my birth faith and reject that as well. The problem with the community of Islam is it ostracizes those who reject the faith. So most of you would never even consider it. It's a traps. Mohammed devised the faith in a clever manner to make rejection of it very difficult, even dangerous.

[Kramer]

[quote="MAD MAC"]It ain't April!!!

Not in this lifetime. I have a high opinion of some Muslims, but a low opinion of Islam.[/quote]

Its actually the other way around --Islam is remains the same as one prophet Mohamed was alive -its muslims that change -and that either don't practice it right or do it bad.

[FAH1223]

[quote="MAD MAC"]Fah
I considered it, researched it, and rejected it. And for good reason. The Muslims on this site are bound by the fact that they were born into Islam. I was not, so I could view it objectively (just like I viewed Bhudism objectively and rejected it). Unlike you people here, I was also able to objectively look at my birth faith and reject that as well. The problem with the community of Islam is it ostracizes those who reject the faith. So most of you would never even consider it. It's a traps. Mohammed devised the faith in a clever manner to make rejection of it very difficult, even dangerous.[/quote]

Muhammad is the Prophet/Messenger (PBUH)... he didn't devise the Qur'an man. And its quite obvious he didn't come up with it.

I'll agree with you that people are this and that because their parents are. At the same time however, there is no Qur'anic verse that advocates the killing of apostates. They just become losers, as the Qur'an states because they cling on to something of this life.

But anyway, I read some of your posts and you said you read the Qur'an. I dunno, you're a Deist, a guy who believes there is a God, but you don't like the idea of any kind of submission. Religion/Scripture ain't your cup of tea right now.

Its interesting because it reminds me of reading a few books about people who were like you albeit, atheist or agnostic, and their converting to Islam. Its fascinating really.

oh well, I hope and pray for you and those like you. You may not like that, but hopefully one day, you'll see what we are/trying to talk to you about. (i.e. Forget the politics and all the other drama people spew)

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

"Muhammad is the Prophet/Messenger (PBUH)... he didn't devise the Qur'an man. And its quite obvious he didn't come up with it."

Just as it'[s obvious to me he did invent it - well, he did a lot of copy and paste and rewriting existing texts. Probably with help, as his writing skills were reportedly deficient.

"I'll agree with you that people are this and that because their parents are. At the same time however, there is no Qur'anic verse that advocates the killing of apostates. They just become losers, as the Qur'an states because they cling on to something of this life."

Ask Arabman if he agrees with you.

"But anyway, I read some of your posts and you said you read the Qur'an. I dunno, you're a Deist, a guy who believes there is a God, but you don't like the idea of any kind of submission. Religion/Scripture ain't your cup of tea right now."

That's because I don't think God is much of a writer.

"Its interesting because it reminds me of reading a few books about people who were like you albeit, atheist or agnostic, and their converting to Islam. Its fascinating really."

They weren't like me. I am quite intelligent.

"oh well, I hope and pray for you and those like you. You may not like that, but hopefully one day, you'll see what we are/trying to talk to you about. (i.e. Forget the politics and all the other drama people spew)"

No harm in praying for me (my mother does) but I won't change.

[Gamadid.]

[quote="MAD MAC"]Fah
I considered it, researched it, and rejected it. And for good reason. The Muslims on this site are bound by the fact that they were born into Islam. I was not, so I could view it objectively (just like I viewed Bhudism objectively and rejected it). Unlike you people here, I was also able to objectively look at my birth faith and reject that as well. The problem with the community of Islam is it ostracizes those who reject the faith. So most of you would never even consider it. It's a traps. Mohammed devised the faith in a clever manner to make rejection of it very difficult, even dangerous.[/quote]



No one is pointing a gun at the millions of Muslims in America to keep them from rejecting Islam if they so wished. The same is true about the millions of Muslims in Europe who are free to switch sides or simply reject all faith if they wanted to do so. There is money to be made in renouncing islam as well. The material gain by trading in haram, the allure of living in sin, following the lust, are all available to muslims in the west, yet, they remain resolute in their islamic faith despite many of them not being observant as they should. That is the power of faith once it settles in the hearts of people, it can not be easily removed by fear of others and their torment, or by the allure and the enticement of material. Besides, is there anything more sensible and logical than islam as a faith? Show me one and I will join that in a heartbeat.

And being born to muslim parents doesn't necessarily keep you into islam if you are not interested.

[FAH1223]

[quote="MAD MAC"]"Muhammad is the Prophet/Messenger (PBUH)... he didn't devise the Qur'an man. And its quite obvious he didn't come up with it."

Just as it'[s obvious to me he did invent it - well, he did a lot of copy and paste and rewriting existing texts. Probably with help, as his writing skills were reportedly deficient.

"I'll agree with you that people are this and that because their parents are. At the same time however, there is no Qur'anic verse that advocates the killing of apostates. They just become losers, as the Qur'an states because they cling on to something of this life."

Ask Arabman if he agrees with you.

"But anyway, I read some of your posts and you said you read the Qur'an. I dunno, you're a Deist, a guy who believes there is a God, but you don't like the idea of any kind of submission. Religion/Scripture ain't your cup of tea right now."

That's because I don't think God is much of a writer.

"Its interesting because it reminds me of reading a few books about people who were like you albeit, atheist or agnostic, and their converting to Islam. Its fascinating really."

They weren't like me. I am quite intelligent.

"oh well, I hope and pray for you and those like you. You may not like that, but hopefully one day, you'll see what we are/trying to talk to you about. (i.e. Forget the politics and all the other drama people spew)"

No harm in praying for me (my mother does) but I won't change.[/quote]

1. Well he didn't have contact with Jews or Christians and the encounters he did have with them. Besides, the Jews were always cross examining him and they hid their scriptures anyway. And the Prophet (PBUH) was a trustworthy person, something even the Meccans who knew him and opposed him acknowledged. His friends and companions wouldn't have stuck by him if he was lying to them, leading them into a track. Hell, Umar ibn Khattab was going to kill the Prophet himself at one point. If he did learn from a Christian monk or Jewish rabbi, he wouldn't have denied it. His whole life he was telling the truth, why lie then? And whoever taught him surely would have a book of their own they wrote that is similar to the Qur'an, but we obviously don't have one. This isn't even a claim from Arab historians, but moreso from people in the Christian West. I mean, in the Arabic language, no author could maintain such perfection of style, persistently for so long. None of it was revised in its history the last 1400 some years.

2. Arabman will agree. The hadiths say different but at the same time, there were cases of apostasy in the time of the Prophet (PBUH) and the Prophet didn't do anything. Since we're talking the literal word of God, God didn't say kill apostates in the Qur'an. There is no verse for it.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

"1. Well he didn't have contact with Jews or Christians and the encounters he did have with them. Besides, the Jews were always cross examining him and they hid their scriptures anyway. And the Prophet (PBUH) was a trustworthy person, something even the Meccans who knew him and opposed him acknowledged. His friends and companions wouldn't have stuck by him if he was lying to them, leading them into a track. Hell, Umar ibn Khattab was going to kill the Prophet himself at one point. If he did learn from a Christian monk or Jewish rabbi, he wouldn't have denied it. His whole life he was telling the truth, why lie then? And whoever taught him surely would have a book of their own they wrote that is similar to the Qur'an, but we obviously don't have one. This isn't even a claim from Arab historians, but moreso from people in the Christian West. I mean, in the Arabic language, no author could maintain such perfection of style, persistently for so long. None of it was revised in its history the last 1400 some years."

Too bad he didn't have the ability to maintain that style in English. Alas, Jews and Christians were in Mecca and Medina, indeed Yathrib, as Medina was known, had a large Jewish community which has subsequently been ethnically cleansed along the way.

"2. Arabman will agree. The hadiths say different but at the same time, there were cases of apostasy in the time of the Prophet (PBUH) and the Prophet didn't do anything. Since we're talking the literal word of God, God didn't say kill apostates in the Qur'an. There is no verse for it."

Arabman believes apostates should be killed. Ask him.