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Islamization and Arabization

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What is the difference really in relation to Somalis?
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its all the same arabs yarab
muhammad was aran
islam is arab the kuran is written in arabic

acording to the arab leage somalis are arabs
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Somali is also written in the Arabic Script
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According to Dictionary.com:

Islamization:

1. to convert to Islam.
2. to bring into a state of harmony or conformity with the principles and teachings of Islam; give an Islamic character or identity to.

Arabization:

1. To make Arabic in form, style, or character.
2. To bring under Arab influence or control.

What's happening in Somalia is Islamization, which is positive. It's not Arabization, because Somalia isn't under Arab influence or control (it's under Xabashi influence or control). Those who wear shemagh adopt it on their own, without any influence. Shemagh come from turban, a piece of cloth wore by millions of non-Muslims (Sikhs and others), and probably originated in ancient Persia. I think Western secularization (fast food, fashion, style, culture, traditions, music, dating, clubbing, drinking, etc) is negatively affecting some young Somalis.
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[quote="*Arabman"]According to Dictionary.com:

Islamization:

1. to convert to Islam.
2. to bring into a state of harmony or conformity with the principles and teachings of Islam; give an Islamic character or identity to.

Arabization:

1. To make Arabic in form, style, or character.
2. To bring under Arab influence or control.

What's happening in Somalia is Islamization, which is positive. It's not Arabization, because Somalia isn't under Arab influence or control (it's under Xabashi influence or control). Those who wear shemagh adopt it on their own, without any influence. Shemagh come from turban, a piece of cloth wore by millions of non-Muslims (Sikhs and others), and probably originated in ancient Persia. I think Western secularization (fast food, fashion, style, culture, traditions, music, dating, clubbing, drinking, etc) is negatively affecting some young Somalis.[/quote]

Islamization and Arabization come in hand in hand. Islam as a religion is centred at Arabism. It seeks people to divorce their past and adopt Arab customs, behaviour and language, if you want a prove of this just look at most of new converts and countries who came directly under Arab Islamic empire.

With us Somalis, we are lucky because we never came under Islamic rule but nowadays since the civil wars a lot of people are converting into Wahabism and Salafism many of us are brainwashed by these ideas, slow by slow we have seen many Somalis Arabazing themselves and their children strangely unnoticed .
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[Islamization and Arabization come in hand in hand. Islam as a religion is centred at Arabism. It seeks people to divorce their past and adopt Arab customs, behaviour and language, if you want a prove of this just look at most of new converts and countries who came directly under Arab Islamic empire.

With us Somalis, we are lucky because we never came under Islamic rule but nowadays since the civil wars a lot of people are converting into Wahabism and Salafism many of us are brainwashed by these ideas, slow by slow we have seen many Somalis Arabazing themselves and their children strangely unnoticed .]

Not so. Islam is a religion for mankind. Only about 10-15% of Muslims worldwide speak Arabic. There are tens millions of Christian Arabs (Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, etc); a clear indication Islam wasn't forced on lands conquered by Muslims. The customs and behavior of non-Arabs differ from that of Arabs. The language, culture, behavior, fashion, style, food, etc of Turks, Nigerians, Indonesians and many other Muslims differ from that of Arabs. Islamization is the anti-thesis of secularization, so it's normal that secular Muslims and their masters would label it Wahabism, Salafism, etc.
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[quote="*Arabman"] Not so. Islam is a religion for mankind. Only about 10-15% of Muslims worldwide speak Arabic. There are tens millions of Christian Arabs (Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, etc); a clear indication Islam wasn't forced on lands conquered by Muslims. The customs and behavior of non-Arabs differ from that of Arabs. The language, culture, behavior, fashion, style, food, etc of Turks, Nigerians, Indonesians and many other Muslims differ from that of Arabs. Islamization is the anti-thesis of secularization, so it's normal that secular Muslims and their masters would label it Wahabism, Salafism, etc.[/quote]

Islam was forced on some people in certain times in history but that's not what I am talking about here. Those Muslims who haven't been Arabized are those who either cnverted into Islam later or were not part of the Arab Islamic empire. Again my topic is not about this. What I am saying Islam was born out of Arab society and culture, the holy book of Islam is written in Arabic, Muslims are mento pray in Arabic five times a day so there is a degree of Arabazation in Islam it's just a matter of to what extend.

Somalis who followed Wahabism before the civil war were tiny minority, but since the wars they have grown and became very influential people. Most of these people prefer their new Arab-Islamic customs that they had acquired to Somali customs. The schools they and other groups run inside Somalia are conducted in Arabic where you have children who can read and write Arabic but not their native Somali. This is some thing that I don’t like.
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[quote="Xusseyn"][quote="*Arabman"] Not so. Islam is a religion for mankind. Only about 10-15% of Muslims worldwide speak Arabic. There are tens millions of Christian Arabs (Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, etc); a clear indication Islam wasn't forced on lands conquered by Muslims. The customs and behavior of non-Arabs differ from that of Arabs. The language, culture, behavior, fashion, style, food, etc of Turks, Nigerians, Indonesians and many other Muslims differ from that of Arabs. Islamization is the anti-thesis of secularization, so it's normal that secular Muslims and their masters would label it Wahabism, Salafism, etc.[/quote]

Islam was forced on some people in certain times in history but that's not what I am talking about here. Those Muslims who haven't been Arabized are those who either cnverted into Islam later or were not part of the Arab Islamic empire. Again my topic is not about this. What I am saying Islam was born out of Arab society and culture, the holy book of Islam is written in Arabic, Muslims are mento pray in Arabic five times a day so there is a degree of Arabazation in Islam it's just a matter of to what extend.

Somalis who followed Wahabism before the civil war were tiny minority, but since the wars they have grown and became very influential people. Most of these people prefer their new Arab-Islamic customs that they had acquired to Somali customs. The schools they and other groups run inside Somalia are conducted in Arabic where you have children who can read and write Arabic but not their native Somali. This is some thing that I don’t like.[/quote]

its actually better that way

the language of the HOLY PROPHET SALLAHU ALAYHI WASALLAM is better to have as 1st language

then Somali

then whatever else

Culture that is alien to Islam needs to be thrown out and the good Somali culture needs to remain

The kids may also know Somali in the Arabic script if they are taught Arabic

are you Muslim?

"Many aspects of Islam are reflected in Arabic culture. For example, patriachial lineage is the standard in Islam and in Arabic culture. Date and time are determined by sighting the moon and the position of the sun - another shared aspect between Islam and Arabic culture.

There does exist, however, a general distinction between Islam and Arabic culture. In Arabic culture, women and children are often sidelined and denigrated. As the culture has experienced modernisation and globalisation, this seems to be slowly changing, God willing. Another aspect of Arabic culture that is at least limited by Islam is the historic tendency towards ceaseless blood wars. Islam has set down laws dictating under what circumstances fighting is allowed (nearly always defensive) and how it can be conducted (no killing civilians, preserve environment, fair treatment of POWs etc.). Most interpretations of Islamic law also hold that war can only be declared by a certain Islamic leader who has not yet entered the public realm.

In most aspects, Islam accommodates culture. For example, the material replacement that one can offer if he is unable to fast can be staples representing his own culture (wheat, rice, etc.). Men and women need to cover their bodies; but how they do it is, within reason, according to their culture, A man could wear a modest t-shirt or dress shirt and modest slacks or jeans. He could also use a robe or even some very roomy pants with a tunic-length shirt. A woman could wear a skirt, blouse, and jacket. She could also use a modest robe or even the same roomy pants and tunic-length shirt. Of course, women wear the headscarf. There are even various designs of headscarf according to different cultures."
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^ The prophet played with the ethiopians of mecca in there traditional cultures and languages.

We are somali.... Just as the Turks are Turks and the Persians are persian and a Fulani is a fulani..... our culture is important... There is a reason why

If we have half our population forced into arabization.... Then what will that leave us looking like? Sudan? Where the Arabized Nubians are forcefully putting there culture on ironically the people of Darfur many who were muslims before these lunatics...(IF you know these 'arab' sudanese where officially Christian until the late 15 century)..... Arabization creates contempt and is cultural imperialism.....

Do you know how arabs feel about americans in Iraq? They feel that the Iraqis will lose there culture and just become an american colony..... While they could give a rats ass 1 million dead iraqis....

Many Beja are resisting the "ARAB" Sudanese many of them who are "BEJA" people by ethnicity similiar to the berbers who have been arabized and harm other berbers who are not Laughing
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Islam is at home and integrates w/ the cultures of everybody b/c Islam appeals to the human soul.

You don't have to wear macawiis, shalwar kamiis, cimaamad, or thawb......
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[Islam was forced on some people in certain times in history but that's not what I am talking about here. Those Muslims who haven't been Arabized are those who either cnverted into Islam later or were not part of the Arab Islamic empire. Again my topic is not about this. What I am saying Islam was born out of Arab society and culture, the holy book of Islam is written in Arabic, Muslims are mento pray in Arabic five times a day so there is a degree of Arabazation in Islam it's just a matter of to what extend.

Somalis who followed Wahabism before the civil war were tiny minority, but since the wars they have grown and became very influential people. Most of these people prefer their new Arab-Islamic customs that they had acquired to Somali customs. The schools they and other groups run inside Somalia are conducted in Arabic where you have children who can read and write Arabic but not their native Somali. This is some thing that I don’t like.]

Again, not so. Muslims conquered Persia at the time of the prophet (salallaahu calayhi wasalam) and Sahaba. The Persians haven't been Arabized as they still speak Farsi and retain their distinct culture, style, food, etc. In bilaad al-Maghrib, there are millions of Berbers who still speak their language and retain their distinct culture, style, food, etc.

The pillars of Islam (Shahada, Salat, Sawm, Zakat and Hajj) aren't Arab rituals, traditions, culture, etc as you have implied. Those are Islamic duties incumbent on every Muslim, instructed by Allah.

Somalis who followed Wahabism before the civil war weren't a tiny minority. In those days, the term Wahhabi wasn't popular. They were known as Ikhwaan, and thousands of them were incarcerated and tortured by the late administration.
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We are not Arabs so we shouldnt speak arabic and only reason we need it is to read the Quran. Somalia should just go back the way it use to be only thing we need is elections every 4 years so these Wahabbiss or Ikwaans what ever their called need to take their version of islam some where else. Cool
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Wahhabis or Ikhwaans are needed to establish Shariica and abolish many Somali rituals, traditions and culture that clash with the teachings of Islam like qabyaaladnimo, FGM, chewing khaat, shukaansi, siyaaro, discrimination against minorities like the Midgaan, etc. Wahhabis or Ikhwaans are also needed to change the Latin script, a script forced on Somalis by their former colonial masters.
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Arabman Just move to Saudi Arabia , we somalians dont want those folkz and why abolish somali traditions, hell if there aint shukansi how the hell u gonna get married. Confused as for the latin scrip i dont know about that but why do we have to write in arabic when we are not arabs and only think we share with them is a religion. Cool
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[hell if there aint shukansi how the hell u gonna get married. Confused as for the latin scrip i dont know about that but why do we have to write in arabic when we are not arabs and only think we share with them is a religion. Cool]

You don't need Shukaansi to get married; you can get acquainted with your future spouse in the presence of mahrams. Arabic is the language of the Qur'an and its script is better than the Latin one. Why adopt the script of the colonial masters instead of Arabic or Osmaniya?
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