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Shocking News: Siyad Barre held Secret meeting to sell Ogade

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Both the Somali and Ethiopian governments have signed an agreement which is expected to have far-reaching effects on the rebel stuggle in both countries. The negotiations for the April agreement were concluded under the cover of a two-day summit of the Inter-Governmental Authority on Drought and Development in Djibouti in late March. A secret meeting between the Ethiopian president Mengistu Haile Mariam and Somali’s president, Mohammed Siyad Barre, took place for two hours on 21 March to try and conclude sporadic peace talks which have been going on for several months in an effort to solve a decade old border dispute.

In essence, the agreement sets up a military commission to supervise the withdrawal of all troops from within nine miles of the disputed border in the Ogaden region. It also restores official diplomatic relations between the two states for the first time in over ten years, As a gesture of goodwill, Ethiopia has also handed back the border towns of Goldogob and Ballanballe that they have occupied since 1982 following a border skirmish. More important for both sides is the acceptance that neither state will interfere in the other country’s internal politics. It is this provision that enables both sides to perceive solid gains.

Following the 1977-78 Ogaden war, when Somali troops invaded the disputed Ethiopian territory of mainly Somali-speaking Ogaden, the Ethiopians became involved with supporting rebels in Somalia’s northern territories. When independence came in 1960, the northern British colony joined the southern Italian territory to create the state of Somalia. With the 1969 military coup of Siyad Barre, who introduced a one party socialism, the north began to feel ignored, both economically and politically. The discontent led to the rise of the Somali Nationalist Movement (SNM) which has been involved in an armed, albeit limited, struggle against Barre’s government.

After the Ethiopian army, with massive military aid from both the Soviet Union and Cuba, repulsed the Somali attack in 1978, it began supporting the SNM. Apart from moral and military support, the Ethiopians also gave the SNM access to radio transmitters in Addis Ababa.

Under the new agreement Ethiopia will stop all assistance to the SNM, leaving them without a safe base of operations. For the Somali government, it means the strong-arm policies of General Mohammed Hersi, who operates in the north and holds the northern capital of Hargeisa under his control, are more likely to succeed than hitherto. It also means that some of the Somali army can be redeployed from the Ogaden border to the north.

For the Ethiopians there are similar advantages. The Somali government has supported the Western Somali Liberation Front, which operates in the Ogaden and will now be forced to cut its links. But most important for the Ethiopians is the fact that the agreement frees many of its divisions stationed in the south and the east to go to the warfronts in Eritrea and Tigray. Apart from the military necessity to release troops, following the massive defeats on the Nacfa front by the Eritrean Peoples Liberation Front, when over 10,000 Ethiopian soldiers were killed and the strategic town of Afabet was captured, it also has economic implications. Half of the country’s national budget is spent on these wars and for the first time early this year the Ethiopian foreign minister, Berhanu Bayeh, admitted that the Eritrean conflict was bleeding the nation to death. It has also has become apparent that Soviet support for the Mengistu regime is weakening. Soviet diplomats have told their peers in Addis Ababa that they are becoming increasingly frustrated with the unwinnable war in the north. The Soviet sea base on the Dalak Islands remains undeveloped and there are indications that the Soviets want less and less to do with Mengistu. As a result of the April agreement, the Ethiopians have already transferred nearly 90,000 troops to the north according to the EPLF, including some mechanised brigades.

While both sides must be relieved to have some sort of peace enabling them to tackle their own internal problems more effectively, there are whispers of dissent in Somalia. Major General Adan Abullahi Nur, the Somali minister of defence, expressed dissatisfaction with the agreement in private, saying that he believes that Barre has accepted the present Ogaden border and has sold out the interests of the Somali speaking people in the region.
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Re: Shocking News: Siyad Barre held Secret meeting to sell Ogade

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This is what happens when we have elementary level comprehension.

Somalia did not have the Ogaden to began with to "sell" it. Somalia only had the power to "renounce" claims to the Ogaden and nothing in the papers says Siad Barre did.

Both Somalia and Ethiopia, agreed to a temporary truce to stop supporting each other's rebels (the SNM for Siad Barre government, and WSLF for Menguste government).

Even though that was the official agreement, Siad Barre never stopped supporting the WSLF nor kick them out of Somalia while the more desperate Ethiopians ejected the SNM from that country so they only had to concentrate on Eritrea.

These kids should enroll in comprehension courses more than anything.
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MJ-Pride ur such a liar Laughing Laughing
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MJ-Pride ur such a liar Laughing Laughing
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Dowarsade,
Who is having the comprehension Problems? Laughing Laughing Take your quule tinted glasses and re-read this:

"For the Ethiopians there are similar advantages. The Somali government has supported the Western Somali Liberation Front, which operates in the Ogaden and will now be forced to cut its links. But most important for the Ethiopians is the fact that the agreement frees many of its divisions stationed in the south and the east to go to the warfronts in Eritrea and Tigray. Apart from the military necessity to release troops, following the massive defeats on the Nacfa front by the Eritrean Peoples Liberation Front, when over 10,000 Ethiopian soldiers were killed and the strategic town of Afabet was captured, it also has economic implications. Half of the country’s national budget is spent on these wars and for the first time early this year the Ethiopian foreign minister, Berhanu Bayeh, admitted that the Eritrean conflict was bleeding the nation to death. It has also has become apparent that Soviet support for the Mengistu regime is weakening. Soviet diplomats have told their peers in Addis Ababa that they are becoming increasingly frustrated with the unwinnable war in the north. The Soviet sea base on the Dalak Islands remains undeveloped and there are indications that the Soviets want less and less to do with Mengistu. As a result of the April agreement, the Ethiopians have already transferred nearly 90,000 troops to the north according to the EPLF, including some mechanised brigades.
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Also the defense minster at the time was understandably furious about Siyad Barre back stabbing Ogadens just to save his seat Go ahead and read ilkoyare boy:

While both sides must be relieved to have some sort of peace enabling them to tackle their own internal problems more effectively, there are whispers of dissent in Somalia. Major General Adan Abullahi Nur, the Somali minister of defence, expressed dissatisfaction with the agreement in private, saying that he believes that Barre has accepted the present Ogaden border and has sold out the interests of the Somali speaking people in the region.
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What a fockin i.idiot wallahi. Listen to me you little pansy, I have read everything you brought and your little high school drop out is not going to tell me to critically read and analyze. Nothing you brought says ANYTHING about Somalia renouncing claims to the Ogaden, it merely says this is a temporary cessation of supporting each other's rebels.

Remember you i.idiot, SOMALIA is a sovereign nation and while the WSLF is considered an "Ethiopian" rebel group. Throughout the beginning of the Ogaden War, Ethiopia could not strike back at us unless it wanted to look like the agresser because Somali National Troops used to take off our uniform and don the rebel clothes. They did this for a reason because if they fought as Somali Troops, it would like look like SOMALIA invaded while fighting as the rebels only meant it was an internal Ethiopian thing.

Kala baro, international law and the rules governing it you illiterate donkey. Siad Barre officially "signed" to stop giving support to a neighboring country's rebel group, it says nothing about SOMALIA renouncing claims to the Ogaden.

Teeda kale the same dissenter they are talking about is Gen Adan Gabyoow, a former military official of KENYA who was brought to Somalia and made Defense Minister by Siad Barre himself. It is understandable why Gabyoow would feel that way because he his first priority was not Somalia, but OGADEN.

What an i.diot.
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I think all Majerten should be banned from thi site for reasons of idiocy. So far, I have yet to see an MJ, regardless of gender, who could contribute anything tangible in this site except one imprudent remark after another. Look at this sheep, she graduated from her first ESL class and she thinks she can decipher and comprehend articles made by professionals
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^ most of them come to this site to waste time, not make up for it. Seek counseling.
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MJ pride,

Have only stated a historical fact during the last meeting of Maxamed Afweyne and Mengisto in Jabuti , Maxamed Afweyne in order to break the back of the SNM had to sell his Ogaadeens both the people and OLF which in 1988 was stationed entirly in the north after the SNM cleanse them from western somalia.

Mengisto cut all assistance to the snm ( there was no ssdf by then 90%of the ssdf mended with Maxamed Afweyne and were given great posts in the north and joined the defence of Daaroodsim and were fighting in Hargaysa in 1988) also Mengisto gave a week notice to the snm to vacate their bases , which forced the SNM to all out war by capturing Hargaysa and Burco.

Maxamed Afweyne in return cut assistance from both the EPLF , TPLF and OLF and renounced somalia's claim over the so called Ogaadeen.

By 1989 during the wars in the north the Ogaadeen led by Axmed Cumar Jees broke away from the SNA unites and surrendered to the SNM and few months later the Ogaadeen ministery of defence Adan Gabyo was fired. Later the SNM gave the ogaadeen a passage out of beseiged Hargaysa and escorted them to Mustaxiil where the newly formed USC lead by Caydiid was stationed, Cabdiraxmaan Tuur ,Axmed Cumar Jees and Caydiid made a joint agreement to to finalize the the last days of Maxamed Afweyne.

Those were facts and now thehistory no Maroxaar kids who were then in the crips of Booli Qaran and a single Baajuuni sir lugooyo can change historical facts.
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Was it Red Bull w/ Vodka or Crown Royal w/ Coke tonight?
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^^^ unlike your mother or father or mentor Maxamed Afweyne even If i drink its on my Xalaal money not some stolen orphans money.
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Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

so answer the question, which one was it tonight?
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lol


his not classy.......I think red-rum or 2% caano-mixed with a lil-mad-dog has took a toll on him this fine night.
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Below is the gist of the whole agreement. I knew this treaty. Barre did not sell Ogaden but merely entered cease fire treaty with Ethiopia since Somali rebels such as SSDF and SNM had bases inside Ethiopia and were threat to Bare's regime. The end result of this treaty in fact led to the collapse of Barre's regime. SNM waged suicide attack and had held both Bur'o and Hargeisa hostage until the government resorted to harsh counter reprisals. The Ogaden that also formed the core of the Somali National Army defected to form SPM. Nearly 18,000 Ogadens with huge military hardware were based in Afgoi when the USC entered Mogadisho. Well each side pursued a non-intervention policy and they signed a treaty.

"In essence, the agreement sets up a military commission to supervise the withdrawal of all troops from within nine miles of the disputed border in the Ogaden region. It also restores official diplomatic relations between the two states for the first time in over ten years, As a gesture of goodwill, Ethiopia has also handed back the border towns of Goldogob and Ballanballe that they have occupied since 1982 following a border skirmish. More important for both sides is the acceptance that neither state will interfere in the other country’s internal politics. It is this provision that enables both sides to perceive solid gains."
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