Black Hawk Down Video: Did the USC defeated the Americans?

[MJ-Pride]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-m_QdeIHfY

[galia]

Hey Mj faggot, what u now up 2

[MJ-Pride]

I must admit that the USC did a good job on humiliating the Americans and took the fight to the Americans. Compare this the pussies that are in Moqdishio now and you have totally cowards who throw mortars from 20 miles

[new-york23]

ina cumar jees did his thing in that battle

[Voltage]

This is how myths start. A couple convoys of American soldiers prepared only for a grap and snatch quick mission get bogged down in a 2 million strong hostile city where every one is armed, still 1000 somalis die and only 18 americans, and somehow it is a "victory"

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="Voltage"]This is how myths start. A couple convoys of American soldiers prepared only for a grap and snatch quick mission get bogged down in a 2 million strong hostile city where every one is armed, still 1000 somalis die and only 18 americans, and somehow it is a "victory" [/quote]

yup! plus it was a dedicated military assualt by any defination. Plus the fact that 18 delta force members died shows the bravery of those who fought. Keep in mind at that time the Delta force was only a force of couple hundreds!

ps

I think the american exit of somalia effectively killed any chance of peaceful somalia

[Voltage]

Twisted, when they got back to the pakistani stadium and where preparing for a real conventional assault, they got a strict order from the DEFENSE MINISTER to stand down and that Somalia was NOT an American interest and they had no reason to continue to stay for the U.N. Mark Bowden interviews all of the participants and policy makers in his book and you can see how frustrated the soldiers were during that time.

And like you said, their withdrawal effectively killed any chance of a peaceful Somalia. I mean if you stand there and think about the objective of the mission which was to quick snatch Qaybdiid and another mooryaan who were doing Caydiid's dirty job of keep humanitarian assistance to the Raxanweyn hostage, you realize who really was the bad guy. Somalis need to be above simplistic thinking. If ever there were good guys during that time, it WAS the Americans.

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="Voltage"]Twisted, when they got back to the pakistani stadium and where preparing for a real conventional assault, they got a strict order from the DEFENSE MINISTER to stand down and that Somalia was NOT an American interest and they had no reason to continue to stay for the U.N. Mark Bowden interviews all of the participants and policy makers in his book and you can see how frustrated the soldiers were during that time.

And like you said, their withdrawal effectively killed any chance of a peaceful Somalia. I mean if you stand there and think about the objective of the mission which was to quick snatch Qaybdiid and another mooryaan who were doing Caydiid's dirty job of keep humanitarian assistance to the Raxanweyn hostage, you realize who really was the bad guy. Somalis need to be above simplistic thinking. If ever there were good guys during that time, it WAS the Americans.[/quote]

I dont think any-one should take Mark Bowden serious. He is very well known for making sensationalist claims and acting as some-one who was there when the reality is he is a simple wheel chair analysist. I take anything he says with a pinch of salt.

[Voltage]

I clearly said interviewed and if you have ever watched the black down documentary on the History Channel, you will also see interviews with the people he interviews in his book and footage of him in Somalia also.

[Shirib]

The BEST OF THE BEST The Greatest military warriors got embarrassed by a bunch of kids of was a USC defeat.

Voltage all the U.S did was waste 6 billion dollars donated to us by the international community.

[Voltage]

[quote="Shirib"]The BEST OF THE BEST The Greatest military warriors got embarrassed by a bunch of kids of was a USC defeat.

Voltage all the U.S did was waste 6 billion dollars donated to us by the international community.[/quote]


And who provides the U.N dues?

[Luq_Ganane]

Wallahi I'm not even hating on anybody laakin Somalis sometimes view things from distorted mindsets. The civilized world analyzes battles based on collective collateral damage, laakin Somalis still have the Jaahil minset that a friggin 55-1 ratio in American-Somali deaths during that conflict is cause for celebration. Are American lives more important than Somali lives?[img][/img]

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="Voltage"]I clearly said interviewed and if you have ever watched the black down documentary on the History Channel, you will also see interviews with the people he interviews in his book and footage of him in Somalia also.[/quote]

Voltage,

we all know the guy hasnt been on the ground long enough to write a book about it. His asserations are more like senators going to foreign countries and making irrational claims such that they have been to country x and know their culutre and bla bla. The guy has written a book called Guests of the Ayatullah, the book like BHD is full of crap.

[Twisted_Logic]

[quote="Luq_Ganane"]Wallahi I'm not even hating on anybody laakin Somalis sometimes view things from distorted mindsets. The civilized world analyzes battles based on collective collateral damage, laakin Somalis still have the Jaahil minset that a friggin 55-1 ratio in American-Somali deaths during that conflict is cause for celebration. Are American lives more important than Somali lives?[img][/img][/quote]

When viewed from the fact that these 18 and countless others wounded and four helis being knocked down from the air, belonged to a secretive org such as the Delta Force and Rangers it is a quite military accomplishment. The americans failed to accomplish their main objectives which were to arrest or kill ringleaders such as aunti abdi-qaybdid and others. Instead they killed innocent bystanders and few months later Aideed was flyin in american heli piloted by american pilots. If that is not a spectacular military then i have no idea what is.

[Voltage]

[quote="Twisted_Logic"][quote="Voltage"]I clearly said interviewed and if you have ever watched the black down documentary on the History Channel, you will also see interviews with the people he interviews in his book and footage of him in Somalia also.[/quote]

Voltage,

we all know the guy hasnt been on the ground long enough to write a book about it. His asserations are more like senators going to foreign countries and making irrational claims such that they have been to country x and know their culutre and bla bla. The guy has written a book called Guests of the Ayatullah, the book like BHD is full of crap.[/quote]


The book is consistent with what is written in the archives of the American military history. A dishonest hoax would have made someone jump a long ago seeing as how the book became an international best seller with a multi-million movie deal.