Question for Anti-TFG Members

[Mr. Yungnfresh]

Let's say the Xabash withdrew tomorrow, the TFG crumbled and Abdullahi Yusuf left and bought a hutu-financed home in some undisclosed location in Europe...what next for Somalia? And, for arguments sake, let's say the hutu malitia's went and looted Gaalkacayo, Boosaaso, Qardho, Garowe etc. (since i know the first thing y'all are gonna say is "we'd kill everything in Puntland until it was dead and then we'd kill it again")...what then? Form a new "government" for the 1,234,567th time, which will miraculously succeed where all others have failed? For some reason, the ppl who are anti-TFG think the problems in Somalia started in December 2006 and getting rid of the Ethio's is gonna make everything better and we'll all hold hands after while singing "kumbaya"...but realistically, does anyone even have a vision for a post-occupation Somalia? What's the plan?

The return of the Union of Islamic Courts and Xassan Dahir Aweys, who himself is on the UN international wanted list for terrorists? Sheikh Sharif Ahmad to become the President of Somalia, with a history of alliances with guys like Aden Xaashi Ceyrow who openly said the aid agencies and humanitarian organizations are collaborating with the kufaar and are fair game for execution? Not to mention the U.S sentiments towards Ceyrow and accusing him of having connections with Al-Qaeda (accusations and suspicion is enough for U.S foreign policy to make it a priority to dismantle any Somali government affiliated with him)? Even though Al-Shabaab broke away from the ICU, in the minds of Americans and EU, they loosely shared a common goal, which was the Political Islamization of Somalia, and we all know how they feel about that...so realistically, even though every Muslim in their heart of hearts should embrace Shariica Law, we all know that isn't a realistic possibility, at least immediately, since the U.S and other powerful Islamophobic nations aint tryna see that.

There's alot of mistrust even among pro-ICU Somalis about the KIND of Shariica Law we should impose, after seeing the version the ICU supported....so really, REALISTICALLY, where do we begin if the Ethiopians and the TFG both became history? Or is it basically "leave us alone to kill each other, which is better than getting killed by our enemy" which in itself lacks logic since it should be worse to die by someone who shouldn't be killing you than it is to die by someone who is expected to historically be your enemy.

[Shirib]

Return of the Geledi Sultunate to power!!

[neocon_2007]

Somalia is dead,move on nigga. No TFG, Shababs, or Hawiye can bring peace among themselves. Lost cause,smh.

[Mr. Yungnfresh]

abti we should all support the TFG whether we agree with it in principle or not AT LEAST until the end of it's mandate, when we can choose who occupies it...true, there's warlords top to bottom lakiin this government is internationally backed and funded and its "transitional" so let it transition since it's the last real hope....its blind to say "im gonna fight it cuz i dont like this right now" when we should all be looking to the future and realize there is CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN. YES WE CAN.

[Shirib]

I can't support Ethiopians, I'll take Cirfo over Ethiopians.

[Mr. Yungnfresh]

the Ethiopians are an effect and not a cause...they wouldn't have been here in the first place if it wasn't for the moryaans reaction to the idea of TFG presence in Xamar, which is basically the idea of having an MJ in Villa Somalia....blasphemous

[neocon_2007]

[quote="Mr. Yungnfresh"]abti we should all support the TFG whether we agree with it in principle or not AT LEAST until the end of it's mandate, when we can choose who occupies it...true, there's warlords top to bottom lakiin this government is internationally backed and funded and its "transitional" so let it transition since it's the last real hope....its blind to say "im gonna fight it cuz i dont like this right now" when we should all be looking to the future and realize there is CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN. YES WE CAN.[/quote]

This,"TFG" will never be accepted by the Hawiye masses nor will the FG transition. Hawiyes are disgruntled negros with AKs they don't understand law nor rule except by the gun in the case of Islam the sword, ICU. No entity without military force can conquer Somalias lawlessness and this is the very reason savages have held the rest of the former Somalia back a few centuries. I don't believe in the illusion of Somalia and never will again if the TFG completes its mandate and the FG succeeds more power to Hawiye because truely its up to them whether Somalia rises from the grave.

[Shirib]

The mooryaan in Xamar are TFG. All of the warlords are TFG, and there militias are TFG, are they not.

[Mr. Yungnfresh]

neocon, thats why it's necessary to disarm them by whatever means is necessary...Ethiopian presence is the lesser of two evils

Shirib, haye the warlords are there bro and they're gonna be there no matter what so why fight within the city and cause the death of innocent civilians caught in the crossfire? We know the Ethiopians shell indiscriminately in areas they get attacked from so the clan fighters are just as much to blame as the Ethiopians for the rising death toll in Xamar...ur not gonna remove the well-funded, well-armed occupying force physically so why not find another way? Of course, all the moryaans know is dagaal so they gotta be spoken to in their own language

[galia]

Galmudug does not recognise the criminal treacherous TFG gangs

[neocon_2007]

Well good luck, my peoples efforts and resources shouldnt be directed to disarming the psychotics of the nation where apart of on paper. Who by chance make up at least roughly 30% of Somalias population and 99% of Xamars population. Good luck with the Ethiopian support.

[Shirib]

U and Habar Gedir both go to Mudug and fight to the death, kill each others last man, may the stronger one win, just get the Ethiopians out

Where is there to fight this isn't Mudug, u leave Xamar ur in Afgooye, there isn't baren dessert.

[MJ-Pride]

[quote="Shirib"]The mooryaan in Xamar are TFG. All of the warlords are TFG, and there militias are TFG, are they not.[/quote]

The TFG just showed up a year ago, I am wondering who was the Moryaans for the 16 years before that? it seems a giant Moryaan female gave birth to all moryaans in 2006

[Mr. Yungnfresh]

[quote="Shirib"]Where is there to fight this isn't Mudug, u leave Xamar ur in Afgooye, there isn't baren dessert.[/quote]

So the killing of innocent residents of Xamar is okay "because there isn't anywhere else to fight"? If you turn on a light, you can't blame it for shining...these dowlad diid's are fueling the death toll

[Shirib]

All the warlords were apart of the TFG, weren't they, and it was there mooryaan who were terrorizing the people weren't they.