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Re: Countdown to Exodus

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Shirib,

This is futile and you know it, the agreement was already broken by those you sympathize with. I know you think the agreement signed by both the Sheikh and the TFG doesn't concern so-call "Al-Shabaab," but it does and whether you believe it or not Abu Mansur is, indeed, indirectly linked to the UIC. The man was loyal to both Indha-Adde and Aways under the UIC banner and he still is. Believe me both Indha-Adde and Aways played their cards right before leaving for Asmara since they were both fully aware that Abu Mansur was from a clan which is a threat to no one, the reason why they left him in charge of the UIC militant wink, so don't fall for this "Al-Shabaab" cover.

I don't think you've fully taken the gravity of the danger Somalia is in. As it is agreed upon, the UIC public support within the most powerful Hawiye clans in Mogadishu was given a major boost by the election in October 2004 of Abdullahi Yusuf as president of the Somali Transitional Federal Government. The reality is Ethiopia was breathing on everyone's necks long before the TFG surfaced, were we saying something about it then since they directly supported no one? Heck no! It was only after it became clear to some that Abdullahi Yusuf was the clear winner of the election held in Kenya with the full support of Ethiopia that our Mogadishu resident raised their eyebrows.

The truth is no one was expecting Abdullahi Yusuf to win let along get the then natural Ethiopians support: Hence, Afhayeenka beesha Hawiye Axmed Diiriye tried to get the Ethiopians netural again since he tried everything in his power to convince them "in dagaalada ka socda magaalada Muqdisho ay u dhexeeyaan beelaha dega Muqdisho iyo maleeshiyaad beeleed uu wato C/laahi Yuusuf."

But it didn't work as he hoped; Abdullahi Yusuf took resident in Villa Somalia with the backing of Ethiopia, a fact that took some by surprise since no one expected him to get this far. So rather then waiting his term out it was obvious those oppose to him weren't going to take another Darood president for an answer and since Abdullahi Yusuf won in the political stage by a wide margin it only made sense to them to turn to religion. Think about it was Indha-Adde that was crying "Jihad" on top of his lungs to further this cause, the same fella who just few years ago was oppressing the minority in the Shabelle region.

Sxb, I'm not dumb to the fact that many Somali supporters of the UIC argue that the Courts transcend clan loyalty which is untrue. The truth it is they are both sensitive to clan dynamics and deeply divided over whether to work within the parameters of clan politics or seek to overcome it. We all witnessed how when some of its leaders sought to diversify the movement, they encountered resistance from Haber Gedir Ayr supporters who felt they had shouldered the costs of the Courts expansion and were entitled to the lion's share of power.

Presidents come and go, Abdullahi Yusuf term ends in 2009, had those oppose to his government used means of non-violence for the sake of our suffering masses in Somalia, then the TFG would have been the clear losers in this case; heck, I'm sure it wouldn't have even lasted till 2009. The fact that they didn't take the civilians these people continue to take shelter amongst in waging their war I think speaks volume, since it seems they aren't too concern with the civilians.

To make a long story short, we are in this political and military quagmire because we, SOMALIS, bickered among ourselves. We perpetuated injustices among ourselves. We maltreated each other. We abused the trust of our people. And to cloud things further for personal agenda we don't even take that, which is most secret to us serious, our Islamic faith since some continue to take it out of context.

As a direct result this is the sad reality in Somalia today:

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The Al-Shabaab blindly fire mortars that fall into civilian homes

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As a result she suffers!

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The allied forces respond by shelling

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As a result she suffers!

So, to end such misery, since your counting down to the recent Djibouti peace agreement, sure it indeed is the best chance we have, so Shirib, let's hope those you sympathize with give peace a chance rather then beating for the drums of war. After all as someone once so beautifully said, "What a cruel thing is war: to separate and destroy families and friends, and mar the purest joys and happiness God has granted us in this world; to fill our hearts with hatred instead of love for our neighbors, and to devastate the fair face of this beautiful world."
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Re: Countdown to Exodus

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Shilling,

Just prepare for a PostEthiopian Occupation.

Inshallah, The fires that are roaring in Xamar will spread north and burn your hamlets too. :up: Make your qabiil also become refugees who suffer just like those in Xamar.
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Re: Countdown to Exodus

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Shilling,

So u are agreeing with AbdiWahab that this is a clan war.

So who are the palyers Habar Gedir vs. Majeerteen
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Re: Countdown to Exodus

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A great analysis of the somali predicament today by shilling.

shirib

It's HG radicals and their lackies vs peace loving somali's. HG don't even belong in xamer, yet they are the ones causing the most destruction. 17+ years they've been holding somalia and mogadisho back, even their hiraab brothers the mudulood are tired of their antics.
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Re: Countdown to Exodus

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Shirib wrote:Shilling,

So u are agreeing with AbdiWahab that this is a clan war.

So who are the palyers Habar Gedir vs. Majeerteen
Shirib,

At one point Abu Mansuur, Aways, and Shiekh Shariif were all under the banner of the UIC and now it seems each leads his own followers. So, what went wrong, why the sudden division? There is a perfect Somali proverb that sort of puts this in context:

"Xaraani Xeero Ma Buuxiso" (waxa xaaraanta ah barako ma leh oo addunka wax beel baa laga qaadaa, aakhirana cadaab).

Let me put this another way, what are we to do with such confused people that have left Somalis scratching their heads? When one say one thing the other is sure to strike it down...These are confused people were dealing with: Tell me whom of them are we to believe then? I doubt you could even give a straight answer since you're at a lost in between Abu Mansuur and Sheikh Shariif that can't even seem to agree on things.

So, what is this confusion all about is it about clan or religion? Lets say its not about clan but rather about religion, then whatever happen to the UIC that was at one point pushing the religion bandwagon since its members despise each other more than they despise some TFG members.

You know thinking about it now I sort of agree with what Jr. Caydiid said about margin Somalia with Ethiopia (not completely but just for a while till we figure things out) because we don't really know what to do with it.
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Re: Countdown to Exodus

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Keep going I'm listening, so who is this clan war between and which clan are the Ethiopians
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Re: Countdown to Exodus

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Shirib,

Adeer, this war through the eyes of Abdullahi Yusuf is AGAINST Hawiye. He promotes this war to his ilma adeer as getting revenge for 1991.

So to summarize:

Ethiopia + Harti + Mercenaries Vs. Hawiye + Wadaads

Spectators: Raxanweyn, Issaq, Other Darood, Minorities.

The mercenaries are the likes of Mohamed Dheere, Qeybdiid, Shaatigaduud etc. Men who have very little popular support among their own clans. These mercenaries work for the highest bidders and have no loyalty except to their own stomachs.
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Re: Countdown to Exodus

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I guess Shilling and AbdiWahab have an agreement then.
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Re: Countdown to Exodus

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Shirib,

Ever heard of the term, "ILJEEX"

HG esp. Sacad see what the Harti esp. MJ are planning and up to.

Allah made the snake (Harti) and to balance it out Allah made the mongoose (HG)
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Re: Countdown to Exodus

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AbdiWahab252 wrote:Shirib,

Adeer, this war through the eyes of Abdullahi Yusuf is AGAINST Hawiye. He promotes this war to his ilma adeer as getting revenge for 1991.

So to summarize:

Ethiopia + Harti + Mercenaries Vs. Hawiye + Wadaads

Spectators: Raxanweyn, Issaq, Other Darood, Minorities.

The mercenaries are the likes of Mohamed Dheere, Qeybdiid, Shaatigaduud etc. Men who have very little popular support among their own clans. These mercenaries work for the highest bidders and have no loyalty except to their own stomachs.
For one hawiyes don't even believe in Hawiyenimo anymore thats why your kinfolks are Isolated fighting their owns wars. Ceyr and Sulyawaan are still fighting because they have some retarded Daroods fighting along side them who out number them.

The retarded ONLF will be taken care of soon who will protect ceyr iyo Sulyawaan?

AbdiWahab252 your kin is safe they are in peaceful Puntland and those in Mogadishu have long sided with the dowlad and very smart move.
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Re: Countdown to Exodus

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AbdiWahab252 wrote:Shirib,

Adeer, this war through the eyes of Abdullahi Yusuf is AGAINST Hawiye. He promotes this war to his ilma adeer as getting revenge for 1991.

So to summarize:

Ethiopia + Harti + Mercenaries Vs. Hawiye + Wadaads

Spectators: Raxanweyn, Issaq, Other Darood, Minorities.

The mercenaries are the likes of Mohamed Dheere, Qeybdiid, Shaatigaduud etc. Men who have very little popular support among their own clans. These mercenaries work for the highest bidders and have no loyalty except to their own stomachs.
For one hawiyes don't even believe in Hawiyenimo anymore thats why your kinfolks are Isolated fighting their owns wars. Ceyr and Sulyawaan are still fighting because they have some retarded Daroods fighting along side them who out number them.

The retarded ONLF will be taken care of soon who will protect ceyr iyo Sulyawaan?

AbdiWahab252 your kin is safe they are in peaceful Puntland and those in Mogadishu have long sided with the dowlad and very smart move.
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Re: Countdown to Exodus

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Shirib wrote:Keep going I'm listening, so who is this clan war between and which clan are the Ethiopians
Why are you being so navie my friend. The facts have been given to you take them or leave them ninyaho.

Everything is very self expanatory. One of these days people are just going to get tried of explaining shit to you.
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Re: Countdown to Exodus

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Shirib,

The Ethiopians are members of the Harti.

Go to any place and criticize the Ethiopians and I guarantee you that you will have a HARTI stand up and defend them.
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Re: Countdown to Exodus

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Abdiwahab

It's actually international community + peace loving somali's + broader muslim community vs habar gedir anarchists and their lackeys from every clan + eriterians meddling.
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Re: Countdown to Exodus

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Shirib wrote:I guess Shilling and AbdiWahab have an agreement then.
Shirib,

Lets not waste my time with one liners, I'm curious though, what clan wars are you talking about? I take it your dim about the fact that this TFG which Mr. Yusuf leads is represented by all clans.

As for Abdiwahab remark, lets not mislead the forumers here, cause I sure as hell don't agree with that man; I never advocated to bring destruction among the people of Central Somalia as he went about wishing destruction to those situated in Northeast Somalia.

All I'm saying is this, both our religion and clan affiliation define Somalia and as a result since we seem to live by it, both have brought us to where we are today. So to make such a predicament better we've got to start with honesty.

You seem to be counting down to the agreement that was reached in Djibouti, the man who signed this agreement is Sheikh Shariif (someone I would except as Somalia's president any day); I see his picture in your avatar, but just few day ago you had Abu Mansuur's picture up as well, you know he did not agree with the Sheikhs agreement, so since it seem you sympathize with both men what is this countdown all about - This clearly contradicts your stand, a clear example of the sort of honesty Somalis lack.
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