time to stand up as people not enemies

[CUSHITE KINGDOM]

you know im against any tribe or clans that are against pan somalia.
somalis are their own worse enemies. it seems that some are even willing
to make deals with gaals and non somalis as long as their inflicting some
sort of pain and suffering to another group.

Ethiopia is one of the oldest country in the world. Believe it or not somalia
was once ruled by Ethiopians whether is directly or indirectly.

Lets be honest no somali clan has deep hatred for another somali clan,
cause if that was the case than they wouldn't have any inter marriages.

Everybody hates on someone but what i dont get is how people
that are related kill each other, the so called minorities clans
love and keep together, and the only reason why their even considered
minority is because of the numbers, but i see it different, i think
so many minority clans didnt wanna venture outside their own there
for making them marry within themselves.

when one hears somaliland first thing comes to mind is isaaq.
these people are not any better or worse than puntlanders.
the only thing different is, isaaqs want to cut and run with
a name that represents to many other people.

both are in bed with Ethiopians.
both care only for their clans (mj and isaaq).
both can careless what happens to the people in need(idp).
both kill and capture people and hand them over to Ethiopians.
both want to exploit the natural resources.

somaliland/puntland/jubbaland/tfg/al shabab/icu
might think their for the poeple but none is.
many of you support these people only cause of clan
how about helping those displaced and if you cant do that
how about not helping to support these so called leaders.

[Abtiga]

I worry for you mate. My uncle used to get depressed over the status of Somalia and Somalis. My advise to him always has been, when people choose their destiny and they are solely responsible for what happens to them, when their victims are in league with their criminals, when those among them who associate with islam(found even on this very website) can reject and protest the massacre of other muslims by America but support the massacre of Somalis in muqdisho for resentment they harbour agaisnt these people, or can;t bring themselves to blame a warlord from their clan, when they dedicate themselves to the cause of a clan at the expense of a nation, when and when ........... You just let them be.



With that said, it is very difficult to not take pity on the oppressed women and children in Muqdisho who suffered immensely. Nonsomalis like Sade even took note and dedicated a song for these victims.

[RebelLion]

Ethiopia is our friend and neighbor not an enemy.

[abgaalKING]

wht the phock is that.
tigree iyo yahuuda yahuuda ayaa fiican.!

[RebelLion]

Yahuud and tigre are both great people.

[abgaalKING]

we know that when palestian children throw stones at israel army conveys,they(the israelis) dont shoot at the children.
but it is the other way round for the tigres.

[FAH1223]

Ethiopia is our friend and neighbor not an enemy.

Neighbor, yes....and neighbors should get along

But Ethiopia has not been a friend to the Somali people.

Their interference in our affairs contributes to our stateless status, it may not be a sole reason but it is a factor that is bluntly obvious. The day a regime comes into Addis focusing on their own starving people instead of adventuirres in foreign lands is when we get a lasting peace in Somalia.

[RebelLion]

Ethiopia is our friend and neighbor not an enemy.

Neighbor, yes....and neighbors should get along

But Ethiopia has not been a friend to the Somali people.

Their interference in our affairs contributes to our stateless status, it may not be a sole reason but it is a factor that is bluntly obvious. The day a regime comes into Addis focusing on their own starving people instead of adventuirres in foreign lands is when we get a lasting peace in Somalia.

Ethiopia is not to blame for our stateless status, we were a divided people before the ethiopians, we are divided now, and we'll be divided when they leave.

I think people make a ethiopia into a bigger deal than it actually is, if we look at this rationally, ethiopia has no reason to waste resources and stay in Somalia. They will leave eventually, instead of declaring fake jihad and killing/displacing innocents in the process, we should be negotiating and reconciling differences.

Sometimes one must realize the reality on the ground, and think long term instead of getting emotional about 'ethiopian interference'. You can loose a battle and still win the war.

[Cawar]

Ethiopia is our friend and neighbor not an enemy.

Neighbor, yes....and neighbors should get along

But Ethiopia has not been a friend to the Somali people.

Their interference in our affairs contributes to our stateless status, it may not be a sole reason but it is a factor that is bluntly obvious. The day a regime comes into Addis focusing on their own starving people instead of adventuirres in foreign lands is when we get a lasting peace in Somalia.

Dude like you said..it(Ethiop.) contributes YES..but far from being even in the top 5 reasons why somalis are stateless..
unless we wanna believe ppl like Indha Cadde, Aweis, Abu hebeloow, Yalaxoow..
And even our own today Qabilists..tomorrow islam's most correct ppl on earth members..like AW, Shirib etc.

We all have our major contrbs..into the failure..but some have to take a lion share of the resp.

[FAH1223]

Ethiopia is our friend and neighbor not an enemy.

Neighbor, yes....and neighbors should get along

But Ethiopia has not been a friend to the Somali people.

Their interference in our affairs contributes to our stateless status, it may not be a sole reason but it is a factor that is bluntly obvious. The day a regime comes into Addis focusing on their own starving people instead of adventuirres in foreign lands is when we get a lasting peace in Somalia.

Ethiopia is not to blame for our stateless status, we were a divided people before the ethiopians, we are divided now, and we'll be divided when they leave.

I think people make a ethiopia into a bigger deal than it actually is, if we look at this rationally, ethiopia has no reason to waste resources and stay in Somalia. They will leave eventually, instead of declaring fake jihad and killing/displacing innocents in the process, we should be negotiating and reconciling differences.

Sometimes one must realize the reality on the ground, and think long term instead of getting emotional about 'ethiopian interference'. You can loose a battle and still win the war.

If you really think Ethiopia hosting all the major Somali factions, governments from Somaliland all the way down and playing them all like a pimp is not a sign of interference, I don't know what is.

This isn't emotion, sxb, its fact. C'mon you had colonel Gabre going to Djibouti...the Ethiopian Ambassador to Djibouti trying to have a look see into the affairs of the two Somali factions sitting down and trying to make an agreement.

Its all the same and until Somalis reject Ehtiopian support for their goals of whatever things won't change.

I don't believe they are leaving in 3 months time...it'd be great but there is no UN troops for us...if they can't get them for Darfur...surely Somalia is an after thought.

Then again if the tables were turned, I'm sure Somalia would do the same thing.

Cawar, if you make a top ten list of why Somalia is stateless, Ethiopian support either financially, hosting, ect will be related to atleast half of them. We already know about the warlords on both sides of the spectrums

[RebelLion]

FAH

Okay, tell me what the solution is? Anyone can criticize and dig holes at the TFG, peace deal, ethiopia etc. But no one has a solution. Do you want to continue the al shabab 'resistance' that has been largely ineffective and concentrated in the parts of hamar, hiraan only?

It's a suicide to go to war with Ethiopia when somalia is divided, we're better off supporting the weak government and hoping things get better.

If there was a better alternative out there, I'd be the first to advocate it.

[Cawar]

Fah

If you poll somali ppl..and ask them who amongst African countries you hate the most..I am 100% sure that Ethiopia as a country will top the list.

However, If we(I) cannot get my home in order..there is no reason to blame other for messing me up..and taking advantage..

Its just like blaming all Africa's prob. on white ppl..and thats not fair.though they might have a lion's share in the mess..
But who is the ultimate person who should be held accountable for fixing his own house??

Its not the same , I know, but it borders, butting the blame of our short commings on shaytan..