Recent Salafi History, help needed.

[American-Suufi]

Did the Salafis break into New Salafi and old Salafi after the first Gulf/Iraql War? Which group do your Sheikhs Alabani and Bin Baz AUN support?

[djibsomali]

is that a pair of shoes?

[American-Suufi]

is that a pair of shoes?

Djib, Bro-no fights and suicide bombing allowed in this thread. I like to understand the recent history of my salafi brothers.

[djibsomali]

Who are your brothers salafis?

[American-Suufi]

Who are your brothers salafis?

All 3iyaal Abdiwahaab. New and old Salafis.

[General_Farax]

why are u after the religion constantly..this that American_salafist,salafi_student,amerikan_suufi,,suufi_student,,salfi_kadaa,,salafi_suufi..what is this?a bunch of Fitna makers

[American-Suufi]

why are u after the religion constantly..this that American_salafist,salafi_student,amerikan_suufi,,suufi_student,,salfi_kadaa,,salafi_suufi..what is this?a bunch of Fitna makers

This is a historical discussion not warlordism.

[General_Farax]

you must be religous warlord or the sufis that wrecked havoc in the somali society for so long?nacalatul mercenery bilaa concience

[James Dahl]

The form of islamic resistance in Somalia has much deeper roots than what today people variously label as either Salafi, Takfiri, Wahhabi, Jihadi or other such ridiculous labels invented by western "experts".

The only genuine "Salafists" in Somalia, and for that matter Islam in general, are the followers of Qutub's ideology, and exist today as the Muslim Brotherhood. They are one of the few pacifist groups in Somalia.

You don't have to look very far back in Somali history to see where the ideology of al-Shabab comes from. It is almost indistinguishable from the Darwiish, and its roots lie in Qadiriyya Sufism.

Wahhab's much vaunted "staunch conservatism" is nothing more than a smokescreen to actually put forward a very non-traditional concept, the Absolute monarchy of Saudi Arabia. Wahhab's ideas are essentially the Islamic equivalent of Henry VIII in taking control of the church and making it pro-monarchist under the guise of protestant reform.

As Sufism is difficult to make into a bogeyman, the preference is to transform Sufi islamic resistance into some other, more repellent form of Islam. The brand of islam that supposedly fuels the Somali resistance is a work of fiction.

[James Dahl]

Put another way, Sharif Sheikh Ahmad, the moderate voice in the UIC, is a follower of Qutub's ideology, while Sheikh Aweys is Qadiriyya Sufi, but he is the radical. This is the exact opposite of what the western "experts" would have you believe.

[American-Suufi]

Put another way, Sharif Sheikh Ahmad, the moderate voice in the UIC, is a follower of Qutub's ideology, while Sheikh Aweys is Qadiriyya Sufi, but he is the radical. This is the exact opposite of what the western "experts" would have you believe.

Interesting remarks James. Is this true? Qutub followers are generally considered as Takfiris while Qaadiriyis dont want to get involved with dirty politics and only want to concentrate in matters of worship.
What is Salafi Jadiid and Salafi old? When did the Wahabis break up and why?

[American-Suufi]

Salafism

Since the defeat of the Al-Ittihad by Ethiopian forces and militiamen loyal to the Puntland leader Abdullahi Yusuf in mid-90's, Aweys retreated to his home region of central Somalia and later Mogadishu and embarked on a period of self-education and spiritual reflection, which, many say, eventually led him to the puritanical Salafi ideology.

This ideology, which is an off-shoot of the Wahhabi school, seeks to promote a "stripped-down" version of the Islamic faith that emphasizes ritual purity and frowns upon all forms of bid'a (modern innovations). It is this aversion to all forms of modern entertainment that explains the recent violent crackdown by the Islamic courts on cinema halls showing the World Cup. The Salafi ideology regards TV and sports as "Lahw" (vulgar pasttimes). Also because of its Wahhabist roots, Salafism is opposed to rationalism and is virulently anti-modernist.

The Salafists favour a rigid and literal interpretation of Islamic texts and regard other Muslim sects as deviants. Salafis teach against compromise, and violent jihad is the central pivot around which their metaphysics revolve.

Many of the over-zealous Islamist gunmen who have in recent days been terrorizing and killing innocent civilians watching the World Cup in various cinema halls in Mogadishu and in central Somalia, are influenced by the Salafi ideology.

http://www.ogaden.com/Islamistmovement.htm

[American-Suufi]

Qutubism

The other main counter-current to Salafism in Somalia is Qutubism. As the name suggests, this ideology owes its birth to the Egyptian Islamist thinker Sayyid Qutub, executed in 1966. The principle text of Qutubism is the political commentary of the Holy Koran which Sayyid Qutub wrote in prison called "Fi Zilal al-Quran" (In the Shade of the Koran). This commentary and other writings by Qutub form the theoretical basis for the ideology which seeks to reconcile Islam and modernity. Qutub's vision is less atavistic than the Salafist vision and his critique of modern Western civilization is, in the main, not too extreme.

His followers have since refined the ideology, drawing on the works of many Sunni Islamist thinkers like Abul Ala Maududi of Pakistani. Islamist groups that embrace moderate versions of Qutubism, like the Islamic Brotherhood of Egypt, favour engagement, compromise and moderation to achieve their goals.

In the last few years, Shaykh Sharif Shaykh Ahmad, an Abgal cleric, has emerged as the principle proponent of Qutubism in Somalia. He has spoken in favour of engagement with the West and with the transitional government based in Baidoa. He has stated he is opposed to the creation of a Taleban-style government. In many of the interviews, Sharif has made it clear he favours a gradual approach in consolidating the power of the Islamic courts rather than the Islamization blitzkrieg favoured by Aweys.

In an interview with the pro-Islamist Somali website Goobjoog on 20 May, Sharif was clear he favoured dialogue with the interim government and a democratic settlement to the crisis in Somalia.

He is widely respected in the country for his keen intellect and piety, but in a militaristic society where power still flows from the barrel of the gun, it is difficult to see how he can become a powerful player in the new dispensation. Although regarded as the spokesman of the Islamic courts, everyone knows that the real power lies with Hasan Dahir Aweys.

http://www.ogaden.com/Islamistmovement.htm

[American Salafi]

Sufi

There is only one salafi. There is no salafi Jadiid or salafi Gadiim. Salafi means the following the way of the salaf. So to add Jadiid is a contradiction because Salaf is something old and to add Jadiid meaning new doesn't make sense.

The people that are opposed to the salafis like these different groups like the ikhwaanis, Qutubis, takfiris, itixaadis, etc. use this term "salafi jadid" to insult the salafis. The word salafi Jadiid was first invented by Muhammed Suroor in 1996, who was an innovator, which all the scholars like Shaikh ALbaani, Shaikh ibn baaz, shaikh uthymeen refuted.

Also the major scholars are all salafis, alhamdulilah. Shaikh Albaani, shaikh ibn baaz, shaikh Uthymeen, shaikh muqbil ibn waadiee, are all salafiyyon.