Aden Osman and Abdirashiid Sharmarke

paidmonk · Post by **paidmonk** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:23 pm

Can someone tell me why these corrupt pagans deserve any sort of respect as leaders of Somalia?

On the other hand, I've got two million reasons why they deserve resentment.

RebelLion · Post by **RebelLion** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:25 pm

Do you enjoy being a little provocateur?

Post by **AbdiWahab252** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:27 pm

Both fathered the culture of corruption and set up government through clan lines early on in their tenure.

Something was very wrong to have 2 men from Konfur holding the two seats of power.

If the two were fair administrators, there would have been no support for the 1969 revolution when it occured

Xaaji_Xundjuf · Post by **Xaaji_Xundjuf** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:29 pm

Adan cabdulla cismaan made a mistake when he made Abdirisaaq xaji xusein his prime minister, the prime minsiter should of been from The former Protoctorad of somaliland . the power sharing was tottaly wrong thats why the former somalia failled it was begining of time , cabdirashid saw the problem and fixd it when let cigaal and him form a goverment in 1967.

RebelLion · Post by **RebelLion** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:30 pm

Abdirashid Shermarke(aun) was working on making the government less corrupt, somalia was just experimenting with democracy so corruption was inevitable but both were great men.

Post by **AbdiWahab252** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:33 pm

RebelLion,

Abdirashid (AUN) did make make some reforms and he was ASSASINATED BY toolkiis for not being as generous to them as Aden Caade (AUN).

paidmonk · Post by **paidmonk** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:34 pm

Emperior & Rebel,

AW252 is correct.

The revolution that you feared so much would not have happened without these corrupt, self-hating, self-destructive men. But thank God for their corruption; the revolution created men out of the colonized, weakened, and divided Somali people. Even in the midst of debacle, Somalis today at least have a time they can look back on and smile. At least they have a reason to want peace - to restore the era of the revolution. Without Siad's revolution, would we even know what we want for the future of Somalia? At least Siad set a path for future examples to follow in order to restore the nation's pride.

Sources coming upon request...

Grant · Post by **Grant** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:24 pm

Aden Caade was the first African head of state to turn over constitutional power.

That said:

When a USAID ship with a load of books and other donated teaching supplies docked at Kismayu, I expected to have something to work with in Jilib. I later heard the regionnal education officer sold the load to somebody in Kenya. We didn't see a bit of it.

Paid,

I would love to see any links. 8)

paidmonk · Post by **paidmonk** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:33 pm

Grant wrote:Paid,

I would love to see any links. 8)

My man! 8)

Always about the paper, never about the chatter. You get what you want, you get what you deserve. 8)

1. In 1969, before the revolution, 55,021 students were enrolled in all schools located in the country. In 1975, after the revolution, the number jumped to 240,550, which is an increase of 437%!

2. In four years between pre-revolution and post-revolution, there was an increase of 128% in elementary school enrolment which is equal to an annual growth rate of 32.1%.

3. Intermediate school enrolments increased 51% (21.8% annual growth rate). Secondary education enrolments rose overall by 63.8% (16% annual growth rate).

4. Before the Revolution, there were 6,412 secondary students of which 737 were girls. Four years after the Revolution, there were 10,500 students of which 1,773 were girls, considering girls; their enrolment increased 140.6% over the four-year period.

5. Before the Revolution, there were three technical and two vocational schools in Somalia. After the Revolution (before 1978), there were sixteen: four technical schools, two polytechnics, three nursing, two clerical, and one each for maritime, agriculture, animal husbandry, range management, and telecommunication technicians.

6. Before the Revolution (in 1969), there were 1,873 Somali teachers. Three years after the Revolution ( 1972-3) the number jumped to 4,486 teachers which was a rapid increase of 440% in teacher training.

7. Before the Revolution, there was not a single university in Somalia. After the Revolution, in 1972, a Somalia National University was established with five initial faculties (gradually expanded in 1974) in education, law, economics, agriculture, and the sciences were in operation. In 1974, faculties of medicine, veterinary, sciences, natural sciences, maritime sciences, languages and literate and fine arts were established.

8. Before the Revolution, intellectuals and academics still used the English or Italian terminological terms. After the Revolution, these terms were Somalized.

9. Before the Revolution, all textbooks and school books were written by foreign authors and printed in foreign countries. After the Revolution, Somalis had their own school and textbooks, written by Somalis and printed in Somalia. Between 1973 and 1976, the Ministry of Education published over 6 million text-books in Somali.

10. In 1975 alone, 1,180 class-rooms were built for primary education.

Post by **AbdiWahab252** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:37 pm

paidmonk sounds like a pimp

Aerosmith · Post by **Aerosmith** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:46 pm

Isku xishood ninyahow. Odayaal aabahaa dhali karo inay yihiin baa laga yaabaa

paidmonk · Post by **paidmonk** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:48 pm

Aerosmith wrote:Isku xishood ninyahow. Odayaal aabahaa dhali karo inay yihiin baa laga yaabaa

Nobody gives a shit.

These thugs deserve no more respect than Aidid, Haile Selassie, or Fircoon!

Aerosmith · Post by **Aerosmith** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:53 pm

paidmonk - Anaabo kaa gardaran oo kula hadley.

paidmonk · Post by **paidmonk** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:54 pm

Thanks for acknowledgment.

Post by **FAH1223** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:56 pm

paidmonk wrote:
Aerosmith wrote:Isku xishood ninyahow. Odayaal aabahaa dhali karo inay yihiin baa laga yaabaa
Nobody gives a shit.

These thugs deserve no more respect than Aidid, Haile Selassie, or Fircoon!

Nah they didn't kill anyone like above mentioned have.

In a big beuacratic government based on "democracy" and a parliament its hard to just focus on two men and not the society and culture of society at large.

The kacaan did change the culture for the better, no doubt.

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