Ancient Somali history
Moderators: Moderators, Junior Moderators
Forum rules
This General Forum is for general discussions from daily chitchat to more serious discussions among Somalinet Forums members. Please do not use it as your Personal Message center (PM). If you want to contact a particular person or a group of people, please use the PM feature. If you want to contact the moderators, pls PM them. If you insist leaving a public message for the mods or other members, it will be deleted.
This General Forum is for general discussions from daily chitchat to more serious discussions among Somalinet Forums members. Please do not use it as your Personal Message center (PM). If you want to contact a particular person or a group of people, please use the PM feature. If you want to contact the moderators, pls PM them. If you insist leaving a public message for the mods or other members, it will be deleted.
-
- SomaliNet Super
- Posts: 5212
- Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:05 pm
- Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
- Contact:
Ancient Somali history
From my research, I have discovered that the ancestry of the Beja and Agaw are derived from two different people than the Somali and Oromo.
The Beja are descended from Pinedjem I, the Libu Viceroy of Kush for the 21st Dynasty of Egypt who took control after the civil war in 1088 BCE. When the Libu 21st Dynasty of Egypt were deposed by the Meshwesh (another Libyan tribe) 22nd Dynasty, Pinedjem's descendents remained in control of the red sea coast and became the Beja. The reason why Beja is a "Cushite" languages are similar that both Kush and Libu are ancient Libyan tribes.
The Agaw are descended from Moses because, during Moses' tenure as Viceroy of Kush, he founded a viceroyal dynasty when he deposed the king of Kush and married his daughter Helena. Moses and Helena had a son named Amenhotep (Awawa or Agaua in ancient Libyan). His son Paser I and grandson Amenemopet ruled as viceroys of Kush for the Egyptian Pharaohs, but Amenemopet rebelled against Seti I and was defeated.
The Lowland Cushites (Sidamo, Oromo, Somali etc) are, believe it or not, the actual monarchy of Ethiopia. Kandake Makeda Nicaule, a royal Kushite princess is the Queen of Sheba, or rather Soba, a ruined city near Khartoum, was the one who visited Solomon and gave birth to Menelik I. Menelik's descendant, Alara, conquered the Agaw and Beja and made them subjects of Kush, thus reunifying Sudan. Alara's grandson Kashta and great-grandson Piye managed through clever politics to conquer a divided Egypt around 750 BCE.
Kashta's descendents then ruled Egypt until the Assyrians invaded in 671 BCE, driving Pharaoh Tantamani south out of Egypt and a pro-Assyrian Egyptian dynasty put in their place, though the Kushites continued to rule Thebes until 653 BCE.
After this the Kushites began to suffer under two different incursions. Initially the Kushites moved south to their former capital at Napata but the Egyptians attacked and sacked Napata, thus spurring a move to Meroe in 591 BCE by Emperor Aspelta.
The Beja broke away from Kush in 100 CE and conquered the first to the fifth cataracts and the Agaw broke away from Kush to establish kingdoms in the Ethiopian highlands, parts of which were part of Kush, thus reaching the nadir of the Kushite Empire's power for over a century until Emperor Gadarat in 221 CE. The Beja allied with the Roman Empire and began to expand at the expense of Kush, as well as expansion of the Nuba people (a Nilote tribe from Darfur and Kordofan) who took all of Kush's land up to the Nile.
Gadarat conquered the Ge'ez (the descendants of the Qahtani immigrants who settled in Ethiopia in 2500 BCE) and the Agaw, and then sailed across the sea and conquered parts of Yemen, resuscitating the Kushite Empire. Gadarat moved his capital to the rich Ge'ez lands, to Axum.
In 297 CE the Roman Emperor Diocletian switched allies to the Nuba against the Beja, and the Nuba crossed the Nile and captured the land from the fifth to third cataracts, making the Nuba the aggressive neighbors of Kush. A few years later the Nuba invaded Kush and captured Soba. Mass exodus of Kushites from Sudan into Ethiopia occurs.
Around 330 CE the greatest Kushite emperor, Ezana, stopped the advance of the Nuba at Meroe and soundly defeated them (though Meroe was by this time almost uninhabited). Ezana pragmatically reduced the Nilote tribes including the Nuba to vassalage. Ezana then sailed across to Yemen to further the conquests of his ancestor Gadarat.
in 615 CE Muhammed took refuge in Axum with the help of Emperor Ashama, recorded in the Qu'ran as al-Negashi. Oromo is descended from al-Negashi, who is recorded in some genealogies as Ram Nag.
I believe that in the following century, the royal family of Axum converted to Islam.
In 867 CE Yodit, a Jewish queen of the Agaw, attacked Axum and sacked it. I believe that at this time religious and ethnic chaos erupted in the Axumite Empire. The Christian Ge'ez, Kushites and Agaw attacked the Muslim Ge'ez and Kushites and Jewish Agaw and Falashas and all those who adhered to the old religion.
The traditionalist Kushites who adhered to Kandake Makeda's religion became the Oromo. The Christian Kushites who rebelled against their king became the Amhara and increasingly Ge'ezized, while the "original" Ge'ez became the Tigray. The only legitimate bloodline with "Royal" blood that could be crowned were the royal Agaw lineage, the Zagwe, descended from Moses, as the Cushite royalty had moved to Shoa.
The Islamic Cushites however, the royal family, became the Somali. The last Emperor of Axum founds the Makhzumi sultanate of Shoa in the southern highlands.
The Church however considered this a dire threat. The legitimate, Islamic dynasty could find support amongst many peoples and overthrow the new Christian kingdom, which under the Zagwe was weak. And so was concocted the Great Lie.
A secret descendant of Menelik was "discovered" in the king of Tigray, who was given the crown of Axum by the church. The fake Solomonid dynasty then destroyed the Sultanate of Shoa with many Arabian mercenaries. The Arabian-led Sultanate of Ifat was then put in Shoa's place, which was supposed to be an obedient vassal of the Solomonids.
The Somali migrated east into their current lands.
Darood actually arrived in East Africa while it was still the Islamic Axumite Empire, thus his nickname "Jabarti". Darood became a Somali clan while the Somali still lived in the Ethiopian Highlands.
The Beja are descended from Pinedjem I, the Libu Viceroy of Kush for the 21st Dynasty of Egypt who took control after the civil war in 1088 BCE. When the Libu 21st Dynasty of Egypt were deposed by the Meshwesh (another Libyan tribe) 22nd Dynasty, Pinedjem's descendents remained in control of the red sea coast and became the Beja. The reason why Beja is a "Cushite" languages are similar that both Kush and Libu are ancient Libyan tribes.
The Agaw are descended from Moses because, during Moses' tenure as Viceroy of Kush, he founded a viceroyal dynasty when he deposed the king of Kush and married his daughter Helena. Moses and Helena had a son named Amenhotep (Awawa or Agaua in ancient Libyan). His son Paser I and grandson Amenemopet ruled as viceroys of Kush for the Egyptian Pharaohs, but Amenemopet rebelled against Seti I and was defeated.
The Lowland Cushites (Sidamo, Oromo, Somali etc) are, believe it or not, the actual monarchy of Ethiopia. Kandake Makeda Nicaule, a royal Kushite princess is the Queen of Sheba, or rather Soba, a ruined city near Khartoum, was the one who visited Solomon and gave birth to Menelik I. Menelik's descendant, Alara, conquered the Agaw and Beja and made them subjects of Kush, thus reunifying Sudan. Alara's grandson Kashta and great-grandson Piye managed through clever politics to conquer a divided Egypt around 750 BCE.
Kashta's descendents then ruled Egypt until the Assyrians invaded in 671 BCE, driving Pharaoh Tantamani south out of Egypt and a pro-Assyrian Egyptian dynasty put in their place, though the Kushites continued to rule Thebes until 653 BCE.
After this the Kushites began to suffer under two different incursions. Initially the Kushites moved south to their former capital at Napata but the Egyptians attacked and sacked Napata, thus spurring a move to Meroe in 591 BCE by Emperor Aspelta.
The Beja broke away from Kush in 100 CE and conquered the first to the fifth cataracts and the Agaw broke away from Kush to establish kingdoms in the Ethiopian highlands, parts of which were part of Kush, thus reaching the nadir of the Kushite Empire's power for over a century until Emperor Gadarat in 221 CE. The Beja allied with the Roman Empire and began to expand at the expense of Kush, as well as expansion of the Nuba people (a Nilote tribe from Darfur and Kordofan) who took all of Kush's land up to the Nile.
Gadarat conquered the Ge'ez (the descendants of the Qahtani immigrants who settled in Ethiopia in 2500 BCE) and the Agaw, and then sailed across the sea and conquered parts of Yemen, resuscitating the Kushite Empire. Gadarat moved his capital to the rich Ge'ez lands, to Axum.
In 297 CE the Roman Emperor Diocletian switched allies to the Nuba against the Beja, and the Nuba crossed the Nile and captured the land from the fifth to third cataracts, making the Nuba the aggressive neighbors of Kush. A few years later the Nuba invaded Kush and captured Soba. Mass exodus of Kushites from Sudan into Ethiopia occurs.
Around 330 CE the greatest Kushite emperor, Ezana, stopped the advance of the Nuba at Meroe and soundly defeated them (though Meroe was by this time almost uninhabited). Ezana pragmatically reduced the Nilote tribes including the Nuba to vassalage. Ezana then sailed across to Yemen to further the conquests of his ancestor Gadarat.
in 615 CE Muhammed took refuge in Axum with the help of Emperor Ashama, recorded in the Qu'ran as al-Negashi. Oromo is descended from al-Negashi, who is recorded in some genealogies as Ram Nag.
I believe that in the following century, the royal family of Axum converted to Islam.
In 867 CE Yodit, a Jewish queen of the Agaw, attacked Axum and sacked it. I believe that at this time religious and ethnic chaos erupted in the Axumite Empire. The Christian Ge'ez, Kushites and Agaw attacked the Muslim Ge'ez and Kushites and Jewish Agaw and Falashas and all those who adhered to the old religion.
The traditionalist Kushites who adhered to Kandake Makeda's religion became the Oromo. The Christian Kushites who rebelled against their king became the Amhara and increasingly Ge'ezized, while the "original" Ge'ez became the Tigray. The only legitimate bloodline with "Royal" blood that could be crowned were the royal Agaw lineage, the Zagwe, descended from Moses, as the Cushite royalty had moved to Shoa.
The Islamic Cushites however, the royal family, became the Somali. The last Emperor of Axum founds the Makhzumi sultanate of Shoa in the southern highlands.
The Church however considered this a dire threat. The legitimate, Islamic dynasty could find support amongst many peoples and overthrow the new Christian kingdom, which under the Zagwe was weak. And so was concocted the Great Lie.
A secret descendant of Menelik was "discovered" in the king of Tigray, who was given the crown of Axum by the church. The fake Solomonid dynasty then destroyed the Sultanate of Shoa with many Arabian mercenaries. The Arabian-led Sultanate of Ifat was then put in Shoa's place, which was supposed to be an obedient vassal of the Solomonids.
The Somali migrated east into their current lands.
Darood actually arrived in East Africa while it was still the Islamic Axumite Empire, thus his nickname "Jabarti". Darood became a Somali clan while the Somali still lived in the Ethiopian Highlands.
Last edited by James Dahl on Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:57 am, edited 2 times in total.
-
- SomaliNetizen
- Posts: 300
- Joined: Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:34 am
Re: Ancient Somali history
I'am feeling bit lazy today can u summarise that in point-form..
-
- SomaliNet Super
- Posts: 5212
- Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:05 pm
- Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
- Contact:
Re: Ancient Somali history
That is point form. I summarized about 3000 years of history.
This could easily be a book, I left out 90% of interesting but not critical info.
Basically, Somalis are the rightful kings of the Axumite Empire.
Darood is just as old as Dir and Hawiye as a Somali clan. This surprised me actually since the "recent immigrant" idea is so firmly entrenched.
This could easily be a book, I left out 90% of interesting but not critical info.
Basically, Somalis are the rightful kings of the Axumite Empire.
Darood is just as old as Dir and Hawiye as a Somali clan. This surprised me actually since the "recent immigrant" idea is so firmly entrenched.
Last edited by James Dahl on Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:21 am, edited 1 time in total.
- Shirib
- SomaliNet Super
- Posts: 26911
- Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:50 am
- Location: May God grant us victory.
Re: Ancient Somali history
Hey James, what do u know about Geledi?
-
- SomaliNet Super
- Posts: 5212
- Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:05 pm
- Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
- Contact:
Re: Ancient Somali history
The Somali and Sabe migrated out of the Ethiopian Highlands already with distinct clans, as Somali and Sabe probably diverged as seperate tribes much earlier, perhaps in Ezana's time. At the time of the migration I believe that Sabe was one tribe, led by Digil, considering how the clans split so rapidly after Digil.
I believe that Geledi is the Sabe "royal family".
I believe that Geledi is the Sabe "royal family".
- Shirib
- SomaliNet Super
- Posts: 26911
- Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:50 am
- Location: May God grant us victory.
Re: Ancient Somali history
If I may bother you, where do u get this information?
And since u know a lot about Ajuuraan, do u have any stuff on Geledi and Ajuraan war that kicked Ajuraan out of power?
And since u know a lot about Ajuuraan, do u have any stuff on Geledi and Ajuraan war that kicked Ajuraan out of power?
- Young Wadani *
- SomaliNetizen
- Posts: 660
- Joined: Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:18 pm
- Location: Green Street
Re: Ancient Somali history
How do Daarood become a tribe?
Can you explain that in detail
Thank you.
Can you explain that in detail
Thank you.
- Young Wadani *
- SomaliNetizen
- Posts: 660
- Joined: Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:18 pm
- Location: Green Street
Re: Ancient Somali history
Also can you prove that Ahmed Gurey was Somali?
Thanks again.
Thanks again.
Re: Ancient Somali history
What the hell are you talking about, how are you reer-hassan????Young Wadani * wrote:How do Daarood become a tribe?
Can you explain that in detail
Thank you.
- Young Wadani *
- SomaliNetizen
- Posts: 660
- Joined: Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:18 pm
- Location: Green Street
Re: Ancient Somali history
Sadeboi,
I know how I am a Reer Xassan
I just wanna know this Cadaan's POV on our history even tho I don't agree with it
I know how I am a Reer Xassan
I just wanna know this Cadaan's POV on our history even tho I don't agree with it
Re: Ancient Somali history
No, I am asking a question that has do with your question, you said how did darood become a tribe. I ask how are you reer-hassan, basically how did you "become" reer-hassan did you sign up for it or is it in your blood since hassan was your forefather. Basically making you answer your own question!
-
- SomaliNet Super
- Posts: 5212
- Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:05 pm
- Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
- Contact:
Re: Ancient Somali history
The same way Somali history documents that Darood became a tribe. Darood arrived in East Africa some time before 1000 CE just before the Somali came to be, and settled near Zeila in Eritrea. This is clear from his name, as al-Jabart was the region of Zeila. Darood migrated with the other Somali into the lowlands after the collapse of Axum and died in Sanaag, to be succeeded by his sons.Young Wadani * wrote:How do Daarood become a tribe?
Can you explain that in detail
Thank you.
This is why I mean to say that Darood is no youger than other Somali clans. The ancestors of Dir and Hawiye were there millenia before of course, but the existing clan families did not exist yet, those formed at the same time Darood arrived. Dir, Darood and Hawiye were all contemporaries of each other.
I will post a detailed bibliography tomorrow. The Ajuran are a missing piece of the puzzle to me, I need more information on early Ajuran history to be sure.Shirib wrote:If I may bother you, where do u get this information?
And since u know a lot about Ajuuraan, do u have any stuff on Geledi and Ajuraan war that kicked Ajuraan out of power?
- abdi ilyas
- SomaliNet Heavyweight
- Posts: 1767
- Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:20 pm
- Location: some where in europa
Re: Ancient Somali history
your idiot don't ever compare the novel Somalis which is Dir >irir>Hawiye 2 runa way slaves jaberti.
make up history after history 2 try dia midgaam yourselves.
make up history after history 2 try dia midgaam yourselves.
- BABYGIRL123
- SomaliNet Super
- Posts: 5273
- Joined: Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:09 am
Re: Ancient Somali history
I love history good points james. 

Re: Ancient Somali history
james dahl wht do u know about the yacub sultane and the mogadishu kingdom?
thanks
thanks
-
- Similar Topics
- Replies
- Views
- Last post
-
- 10 Replies
- 1596 Views
-
Last post by gurey25
-
- 12 Replies
- 1358 Views
-
Last post by James Dahl
-
- 5 Replies
- 1550 Views
-
Last post by Hodan94
-
- 99 Replies
- 25967 Views
-
Last post by Xaaji_Xundjuf
-
- 3 Replies
- 1713 Views
-
Last post by Coeus
-
- 27 Replies
- 3277 Views
-
Last post by DisplacedDiraac
-
- 40 Replies
- 378 Views
-
Last post by Aliyyi Oromada
-
- 3 Replies
- 1442 Views
-
Last post by James Dahl
-
- 5 Replies
- 790 Views
-
Last post by Grant