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Conditions may be ripe for Al Qaeda in Somalia

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U.S. counter-terrorism efforts have alienated many Somalis, and a leader of the hard-line Islamic group Shabab says it is ready to unite with Bin Laden's organization.

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NAIROBI, KENYA -- Conventional wisdom long held that Somalia was so inhospitable that even Al Qaeda gave up trying to gain a foothold amid feuding clans, erratic warlords and a wily population hardened by years of anarchy.

Now, in the wake of an aggressive U.S. counter-terrorism program that has alienated many Somalis, there are signs that Al Qaeda may have its best chance in years to win over Islamic hard-liners in the Horn of Africa nation.

After once denying or downplaying links to the terrorist network, a senior leader of Somalia's most notorious Islamic militia now acknowledges that his group has long-standing ties to Al Qaeda and says he is seeking to forge a closer relationship.

"We are negotiating how we can unite into one," said Muktar Robow, a top military commander of Shabab, which the U.S. State Department designated a terrorist organization this year. "We will take our orders from Sheik Osama bin Laden because we are his students."

Merging with Al Qaeda operatives in the region makes sense, he said, given the recent U.S. crackdown, including a May 1 airstrike that killed Shabab's previous commander.

"Al Qaeda is the mother of the holy war in Somalia," he said. "Most of our leaders were trained in Al Qaeda camps. We get our tactics and guidelines from them. Many have spent time with Osama bin Laden."

U.S. officials said it's unclear whether Shabab's threat is real or just anti-Western rhetoric intended to rattle U.S. intelligence officials. Analysts note that Al Qaeda faces the same challenges that prevented it from establishing a Somalia base before, including power struggles among the country's Islamists, competition from local clan networks and differences between those seeking to focus attacks in Somalia and those favoring Al Qaeda's global agenda.

U.S. Ambassador Michael E. Ranneberger acknowledged growing links between Shabab and Al Qaeda, but said ties remained in the early stages.

"There are indications of a fairly close Shabab-Al Qaeda connection, though it's not clear to what extent they've been operationalized," he said. "Is Shabab taking orders from Al Qaeda? I would say no. They are still running their own show."

Robow said Shabab has been boosting its forces in recent months with an influx of fighters from around the world, including Kenya, Sudan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Algeria, Indonesia, Chechnya and even the United States. Al Jazeera recently aired footage of a masked Shabab commander who called himself Abu Mansur al-Amriki and spoke with an American accent. His identity could not be confirmed.

Robow declined to comment on the number of foreigners or the size of Shabab's militia. One analyst recently estimated its forces at 1,000 to 3,000 fighters.

Robow also spoke for the first time about eventually expanding Shabab's activities outside Somalia's borders, saying Americans, even journalists and aid workers, were not immune from attack because of what he called "the aggression of the American government."

"Once we end the holy war in Somalia, we will take it to any government that participated in the fighting against Somalia or gave assistance to those attacking us," he said.

Analysts say such talk highlights a growing radicalization of Somalia's Islamists. Although Somalia has long had hard-liners, most of the population practiced a moderate form of Islam, and even extremists limited attacks to inside the country or against Ethiopia, a longtime rival.

But some worry a more radical agenda in Somalia has been aided by U.S. counter-terrorism efforts during the last two years, including half a dozen airstrikes against suspected terrorist targets that often killed civilians.

Somalia's citizens are also outraged by the ongoing occupation of Mogadishu by Ethiopian troops, who came in 2006 to defeat a short-lived Islamic government that had taken power largely with help from Shabab fighters.

"For Al Qaeda, the projection seems good now," said Richard Barno, counter-terrorism analyst at the Institute for Security Studies in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia's capital, noting that Somalia's U.N.-backed transitional government has been weakened by infighting.

But Barno cautioned that Al Qaeda still faced resistance from Somalia's major clans, which so far have been less interested in radical anti-Western attacks and frown upon Al Qaeda's signature large-scale attacks, particularly when they result in civilian casualties. Clan leaders also have been reluctant to send their men to fight with Al Qaeda outside Somalia, he said.

"Any moving to Al Qaeda might alienate the clans," Barno said. "And they can't afford to do that because the clans provide their foot soldiers."

Robow said Shabab's roots lay with the collapse of Mohamed Siad Barre's military regime in 1991, the last time Somalia had a functioning government. With help from a team of fighters sent by Bin Laden, he said, future Shabab leaders cut their teeth killing U.S. forces in 1993, including the downing of a U.S. Black Hawk helicopter, which led to the deaths of 18 U.S. soldiers.

U.S. intelligence agencies took note after the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. Somalia's Islamic hard-liners were accused of harboring the Al Qaeda operatives who executed the attacks.

Ambassador Ranneberger asserted that U.S. counter-terrorism efforts, combined with efforts by Ethiopia and Kenya, have diminished the Al Qaeda threat and thwarted several plots. "They are still a threat, but clearly their network and operations have been degraded," the ambassador said.

But Robow said U.S. counter-terrorism efforts over the last two years have only strengthened his group. "I'm telling you," he said, "the more Americans move against us, the more popular we become."

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From the article:
"We are negotiating how we can unite into one," said Muktar Robow, a top military commander of Shabab, which the U.S. State Department designated a terrorist organization this year. "We will take our orders from Sheik Osama bin Laden because we are his students."
What would be wrong with Al-Shabaab uniting with Al-Qaeda? Let us bear in mind, Al-Qaeda isn't the monster Western media wants to convince us it's. By now, most everyone (including most Canadians and Europeans, and majority of Americans) know 911 was an inside job. So, what could supporters of Al-Shabaab be objecting to with regard to the proposed (and inevitable) unification?
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Haddad wrote:From the article:
"We are negotiating how we can unite into one," said Muktar Robow, a top military commander of Shabab, which the U.S. State Department designated a terrorist organization this year. "We will take our orders from Sheik Osama bin Laden because we are his students."
What would be wrong with Al-Shabaab uniting with Al-Qaeda? Let us bear in mind, Al-Qaeda isn't the monster Western media wants to convince us it's. By now, most everyone (including most Canadians and Europeans, and majority of Americans) know 911 was an inside job. So, what could supporters of Al-Shabaab be objecting to with regard to the proposed (and inevitable) unification?
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The islamists are a lost cause, they have no hope
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South Somali politics is just a vicious cycle with no end

Dont these people never get tired of it
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dawwa9 wrote:South Somali politics is just a vicious cycle with no end

Dont these people never get tired of it
The Islamists had a chance to bring peace to south Somalia but blew that chance by declaring they want a greater somalia and that they would march all the way to Adiss Ababa. No one will ever trust islamists again, never. Its over for them.
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George bush said " you either with us (xisbuu shaytan) or you are against (xisbuu allah) "

there is no middle ground.

I am with xisbuu allah,
Allah has chosen his people (xisbuu allah) and have chosen his religion for them as islam.

So the like who have sold their soul for the green card we let you bark, cause you are the donkeys in this world and allah will humiliate you in the aagiraa!!


Allah uu akbaar long live alshabab
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The comments on Hiiraan are interesting. I'm assuming some of those comments are written from Africa and the Middle East. Those people aren't afraid to voice their opinions, unlike Somalis in Western countries (supposedly Democratic countries that guarantee Freedom of Speech) who are afraid to voice their opinion because they might lose their passports or benefits.
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There is no such thing as the Al Qaeda as we know it.
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djibsomali wrote:George bush said " you either with us (xisbuu shaytan) or you are against (xisbuu allah) "

there is no middle ground.

I am with xisbuu allah,
Allah has chosen his people (xisbuu allah) and have chosen his religion for them as islam.

So the like who have sold their soul for the green card we let you bark, cause you are the donkeys in this world and allah will humiliate you in the aagiraa!!


Allah uu akbaar long live alshabab
:lol: :lol:

Few points.

1) You hate Salafis and called them khawaarij and admire Shia, why do you support Al-shabab and alqaeda who suicide bomb shia mosques and civilians and hate shia's?
djibsomali wrote:it is the salafi which is the group that the prophet warned us from before.

the salafi that protect the saudi kingdom and who believe that kaffir should rule over the muslims
http://www.somalinet.com/forum/posting. ... &p=2072410
djibsomali wrote:Salafi there is no khawarijit in our time.

khawarijit is just a word used by the saudi sheikh to protect the Saudi

http://www.somalinet.com/forum/posting. ... 2563regime.
djibsomali wrote:There is only 2 political sheekh in my list:

Sheekh sharif

And

Sayid cabdallah hassan ( who is long dead now)

The rest of the theoligical sheekh we have in their hundreds.
Personally I know quite a few in my familly.
http://www.somalinet.com/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p1732016

I am preparing a writing for somalinet which will proof that salafi are the work of shaytan

http://www.somalinet.com/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p2037604

2) On one hand, you attempt to be seen as a proper Muslim and other times you exihibit here the opposite, why?

quote="djibsomali"]I am invited to a house for launch.
and in the mean time the lady of the house (not a single mother) will introduce me a girl.

it will be today 5:00 pm england time.

will let you know about the outcome, just for the entertainment of you lot.[/quote]

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djibsomali wrote:hyperactive (for the 3rd time)

May Allah fitnaa your familly and make dependent on arabs sheikh for supressing allah and his messenger hadith

I know that you are quite many years younger than me
But may allah suppress your familly as you have suppressed that hadith i have quoted!!!

Amin!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.somalinet.com/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p1988828
djibsomali wrote:ashaaqa lol waa nin guskaygaa 10 inch kaa ku cashaqay!

All he does is he wait for my thread to display his love for my guus.
just watch!!!
http://www.somalinet.com/forum/posting. ... &p=2069316

3) You say you hate America but you are proud of Proffesor Samatar and tacitly praise and support him giving an inside information to the Pentagon of qawiil reasons.
djibsomali wrote:1 day in seattle
1 day lecturing in holland
an other day in djibouti.
some other day in china.

he is even been called 8 months ago at the pentagon to give a lecture to america law makers.

His brother Abdi is even more charismatic.

I wish, I have attended at least one lecture from him
http://www.somalinet.com/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p2032803

4) What do mean there is no Middle ground, when you wrote;
djibsomali wrote:islam is about moderation.

islam is easy going not harsh
http://www.somalinet.com/forum/viewtopi ... 8&t=165239

Make up your mind. :lol:
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Don't listen to, or hold a conversation with anybody who tries to overly complicate an argument by talking about Al Qaeda. There is no such thing from a real Muslim's perspective.
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Gedo_Boy wrote:Don't listen to, or hold a conversation with anybody who tries to overly complicate an argument by talking about Al Qaeda. There is no such thing from a real Muslim's perspective.
Gedo- you are back. How was the wedding and honeymoon? Get out of Somalinet permanently and spend more time with your wife. Here is a waste of time congregated by mentally disturbed people like these 2 dudes above. Or, she is already pregnant and searching for number 2. :lol:

Some people worship Osama Bin Laden and his Alqaeda. They became new born again Muslims because of him. You know these former convicts, alcoholics, drug addicts and rapists. Flip floppers. They can't even have the deceny and courage to join them and whine on cyber.
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djibsomali

5) How do you know who is in Jannah or in hell?
djibsomali wrote:would you like to see a somali woman who is in jannah at this moment of time?

time stamp: 1:57 (lady with the glasses)
her name is aicha bogoreeh, the late wife of decease 1st somali president of djibouti hassan gouled.

A childless spouse of hassan, she has dedicated her whole life to bring up unwanted girls from the street of djibouti.
those born out of the weed look and thrown ed in the street.

look how she looks unimpressed by the whole saga unfolding in front of her.
http://www.somalinet.com/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p1643658

I intentionally Omitted what you wrote about Siad Barre AUN. To repeat here is a sin.
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Re: Conditions may be ripe for Al Qaeda in Somalia

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yes true Somalia needs another axmed guray half Somali half arab guy Like Axmed iebrahien al ghazi :up:
but where are you going to find this muwalad With his mujaheed spirit
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The_Emperior5 wrote:yes true Somalia needs another axmed guray half Somali half arab guy Like Axmed iebrahien al ghazi :up:
but where are you going to find this muwalad With his mujaheed spirit
How about you?

An interesting comment on the article at Hiiraan.com:
Gaadh'haye wrote:Bush and Bin Laden are undertaking two, albeit identical in many ways at same time oxymoronic, doctrines and religious ideologies -Bush for revivalism of the Crusader conquests, and Bin Laden for the rejuvenation of the Islamic Khalifa.
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