So Ataturk WAS A JEW!

[FAH1223]

"I'm a descendant of Sabbetai Zevi - not indeed a Jew any more, but an ardent admirer of this prophet of yours. "

[hilal2020]

Its very controversial,
Most peaple believe he was a turkey jew who took muslim names outwardly behave like amuslim,
But secretly believe
Sebbetai zevi, is like
Mormon's Joseph Smith.

[AbuShabab]

is like
Mormon's Joseph Smith.

What about Joseph Smith? Who did he con?

[NoAngst.]

This is a hatchet job and mediocre one at that.

FAH1243234, if you're gonna impugn the integrity and faith of dead man, a muslim one at that, at least come up with authoritative source than youtube.

[hilal2020]

is like
Mormon's Joseph Smith.

What about Joseph Smith? Who did he con?

Founder of the latter
Day saints also
Known LDS.

[Jamac_Yare]

what your obsession with turkey FAH

[NoAngst.]

Fah1316546, is impressionable kid who lately fell under the spell of conspiracy theorists. IN case you haven't noticed this is conspiracy week in Snet.

[James Dahl]

Turks are a mix of everyone, Palestinians, Circassians, Greeks, Mongols, Armenians, Albanians, Serbs, Georgians, Turkmen, Jews, Arabs, Persians, Kurds, etc etc etc.
Over the centuries they've all taken to Islam and speaking Turkish, and they've built a national identity around "Turkishness" (whatever that means) but Turks are all well aware that their ancestors are usually non-Muslim and non-Turkish.

[Digital-Infidelity]

"I'm a descendant of Sabbetai Zevi - not indeed a Jew any more, but an ardent admirer of this prophet of yours. "

Dude stop the Jew-phobia. Ata Turk was a Jew by race and so what? He was still a Muslim and easily one of the most progressive and visionary leaders in contemporary history. Pay respect to the man and quit insulting his good-name.

[Gedo_Boy]

Progressive & visionary?

Yes, if you consider the 20th century the most glorious era of Turkish history.

Turkey is just a shell of what it was historically, and this Ataturk myth is just like the myth of Stalin & Churchill. People who have built a cult around themselves for no other reason than state indoctrination.

If you are going to say any Turks are visionaries, you could start out with those conquerors who took Constantinople and expanded Islam to the Balkans, Vienna, Russia etc.

[AbuShabab]

Pay respect to the man and quit insulting his good-name.

Are you saying Freedom of Speech forbids insulting the good-name of someone?

[Digital-Infidelity]

Progressive & visionary?

Yes, if you consider the 20th century the most glorious era of Turkish history.

Turkey is just a shell of what it was historically, and this Ataturk myth is just like the myth of Stalin & Churchill. People who have built a cult around themselves for no other reason than state indoctrination.

If you are going to say any Turks are visionaries, you could start out with those conquerors who took Constantinople and expanded Islam to the Balkans, Vienna, Russia etc.

The Turks know what it means to buy arabian ideology and believe in a fake Ummah concept. After having an empire unparalleled in the East, they were back-stabbed by fellow arabian Muslims and saw their empire defeated by a coalition of Western Powers and their arabian levies. This prompted Ata Turk, the great leader of the Turks, to dis-vow arabs and their failed ideologies and concentrate on the development of his country and pursue an agenda of Turkey First. This has paid dividends and today Turkey is a major power and an example of what is possible when people and nations place a priority on their country rather than on failed policies of ummah and brother/sister doctrines that in way solve the many challenges of a modern state. So, Ata Turk was a visionary in understanding and appreciating those basic realities and look where it has gotten Turkey......Somalia needs its own Ata Turk, a man who will speak truth to power

[Digital-Infidelity]

Pay respect to the man and quit insulting his good-name.

Are you saying Freedom of Speech forbids insulting the good-name of someone?

Ata Turk wasn't "some-one."

[AbuShabab]

Ata Turk wasn't "some-one."

Interesting. I mean, I have never reflected on his name the way you wrote it until now. Ata Turk. It's clear the country was named after him (Turk+iye). Before that, Turks weren't known as Turks (I wonder about how they were known. Ottomans?). It's just like Saudia Arabia, which was named after a man; Al-Saud.

[Gedo_Boy]

Digital-Infidelity,

First of all, nobody in Europe is a Jew by race, they are Jews by religion. The Jews by race are the the Semitic tribes, not Central-Asian Turkic-Mongoloid groups who embraced Christianity.


Secondly, the Arabs who betrayed the Turkish Caliphate were losers, no doubt about that, and they infact were deceived by those Europeans who wanted to see the Ummah dismantled, but that doesn't mean the Ummah concept is flawed.

His Turkey-first strategy was not much different than the reason the Arabs were seduced into backstabbing the Ottoman Caliphate by the Brits whispering an Arabs-first ideology to the Arabs.

Turkish nationalism & Arab nationalism are 2 sides of the same coin.

You are trying to play the role of an Ataturk who is seeking to isolate the Ummah piece by piece and allow it to continue to be divided by nation-state ideology.