Polygamy in Germany

[Sir-Luggoyo]

I just found out that the German government permitted their citizens to practice polygamy after the second world war. There was a massive shortage of men that prompted the govt to declare polygamy (they even proclaimed that they were taking a leaf from the Islamic faith)

[Kolombo]

You know what I always found funny?

On the U.S. citizenship application, one of the questions is:

"Have you ever been married to two or more women at the same time?"

Qowmu Luut can marry, married men can have girlfriends, teenage girls can abort their babies, but a man can not have more than 1 wife?

[AbdiWahab252]

[Grant]

The Third Reich had an extensive eugenics program during WWII, with dozens of young women being impregnated by a single, "superior" ARYAN man. Have you ever heard of "The Boys from Brazil"?

[Kolombo]

AW,

My father died without ever taking the U.S. citizenship, he read some of the questions on the application and he said he wasn't going to risk his aakhira over it. It was a shock to the whole family, but he's probably having the last laugh today.

"Are you willing to swear an oathe of allegiance to the United State's constitution?"

"Are you willing to pick up arms to protect the United State's constitution?"

We don't want to think of it, but if we pledge allegiance to the U.S. constitution, we are discarding our own constitution which rivals that of the U.S. We're also accepting their laws which legalize immoral behaviors, while illegalizing that which Islam has made lawful.

[Padishah]

Kolombo, you are not making sense.

Firstly, there is nothing Islamically objectionable about the content of the US Constitution. The sweet thing is, the Oath of Allegiance to the Constitution does not specify who interprets the Constitution. Essentially, the Oath does not require you to be loyal to any current American government, as they themselves have not remained true to the document.

Secondly, what is this constitution of ours that 'rivals' the American one? You cannot possibly be referring to an Islamic one, because a) it doesn't exist and b) its a preposterous idea.

[Kolombo]

Padishah,

How am I not making sense? The U.S. constitution was compiled by a group of men who all had 2 things in common; White and Christian. The language and the content of the constitution are on the opposite scale of Islam.

On the U.S. citizenship application, if an applicant answers 'Yes' to "Have you ever been married to two or more women at the same time?" That individual's application is automatically disqualified, because polygamy is a federal crime. By accepting the illegalizing of polygamy, a Muslim is accepting the illegalizing of that which Allah has made lawful.

When a person chooses to accept made man law, he is rejecting Allah's law. The two are not compatible.

Furthermore, by accepting to pick up arms to protect the content of the constitution, a Muslim is accepting to fight to protect & preserve a country that does not accept Islam, which is ludicrous

[Gedo_Boy]

The Third Reich had an extensive eugenics program during WWII, with dozens of young women being impregnated by a single, "superior" ARYAN man. Have you ever heard of "The Boys from Brazil"?

I heard the US program was the foundation of the 3rd Reich's eugenics program.

[Padishah]

The U.S. constitution was compiled by a group of men who all had 2 things in common; White and Christian. The language and the content of the constitution are on the opposite scale of Islam.

Just because White Christians wrote a document outlining the formation of government, this does not automatically mean its un-Islamic. This, however, is irrelevant to my questions.

On the U.S. citizenship application, if an applicant answers 'Yes' to "Have you ever been married to two or more women at the same time?" That individual's application is automatically disqualified, because polygamy is a federal crime.

They don't want polygamy, or polygamists, and that is their right. You make it sound like this is absolute evil. Again, irrelevant to my questions.

By accepting the illegalizing of polygamy, a Muslim is accepting the illegalizing of that which Allah has made lawful.

There is no country on this planet that has a complete code of Shariah. Every country on the planet has a system of Finance and Currency based on Interest and Inflation. Thus, every Muslim, except those who practice subsistence farming, partake of Usury, which means they are legalising what Allah has made illegal.

When a person chooses to accept made man law, he is rejecting Allah's law. The two are not compatible.

If this is true, then there isn't a Muslim alive following the Shariah.

Furthermore, by accepting to pick up arms to protect the content of the constitution, a Muslim is accepting to fight to protect & preserve a country that does not accept Islam, which is ludicrous

Could is possibly be that you fight to protect your home, your family, your neighbours and the nation you live in, all of which have rights over you according to the Shariah. Also, this Constitution you deride guarantees your right to believe in Islam, and you are idiotic to say it does not accept Islam!

Interesting how the rules of the Shariah are selectively applied. Something non-Vital as Polygamy is not up for negotiation, but protecting those same would be multiple wives by picking up arms and fighting defensively, as the Constitution requires, is problematic.

Muslims today! Really.

[Gedo_Boy]

I wonder how much people like Thomas Jefferson were influenced by the Quran. Thomas Jefferson had a real distaste for interest-debt. Congressman Keith Ellison was sworn in on a Quran owned by Thomas Jefferson.

somewhere like 90% of the Napoleonic Code was derived directly from Shariah.

[Gedo_Boy]

The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics

[Padishah]

Common Law was also influenced by the Shariah as well. Its as flexible and malleable as the Shariah is. Common Law is the reason why the Anglophone countries are much more open minded about immigrants, especially Muslims. Contrast the French to, say the US or Britain.

[Kolombo]

There is no country on this planet that has a complete code of Shariah. Every country on the planet has a system of Finance and Currency based on Interest and Inflation. Thus, every Muslim, except those who practice subsistence farming, partake of Usury, which means they are legalising what Allah has made illegal.

Accepting the illegalizing of polygamy is not a matter of Shari'a, rather its a matter of faith. By signing a legal document and agreeing with it that polygamy is indeed a crime, a Muslim is making a consession at the risk of transgressing against Islam.

If this is true, then there isn't a Muslim alive following the Shariah.

Before you proclaim such simplicities, let us first define what is Shari'a and how is it derived?

Could is possibly be that you fight to protect your home, your family, your neighbours and the nation you live in, all of which have rights over you according to the Shariah. Also, this Constitution you deride guarantees your right to believe in Islam, and you are idiotic to say it does not accept Islam!

The Shari'a has no qualms with a Muslim protecting his/her properies or loved ones. The issue here is what does Islam say about fighting to protect the constitution of a kaaffir government that currently finds itsef at odds with Islam & with Muslims?

[Grant]

The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics

"In 1933 alone, at least 1,278 coercive sterilizations were performed, 700 of which were on women. The state's two leading sterilization mills in 1933 were Sonoma State Home with 388 operations and Patton State Hospital with 363 operations. Other sterilization centers included Agnews, Mendocino, Napa, Norwalk, Stockton and Pacific Colony state hospitals."

The eugenics laws in the US applied to the severely retarded and those so mentally ill they had to be confined. They were wards, and therefore dependants of lthe State, which was concerned about children being born to people who couldn't even take care of themselves.

The eugenics movement in the US was successful in getting some aspects of their agenda adopted for a period of time, but it didn't last. The version that got to Germany was strictly academic in the US as Americans rejected it from the get go. The eugenics laws in the US were never applied racially, and no attempt to breed blue-eyed blonds was ever attempted.

"Now governors of five states, including California have issued public apologies to their citizens, past and present, for sterilization and other abuses spawned by the eugenics movement."

[Gedo_Boy]

Grant,

Pardon me if I come off as accusatory, that's not my intention. However, sometimes I get the impression that the Nazi 3rd Reich is the blackhole for Western guilt and crimes. Everything gets put on them and it's sort of like a crime-laundering institution.

The 3rd Reich was severely vilified, and probably rightly so. But they are a vanquished lot and all their labs and secret records were raided; that has never happened with the British or any other Western power currently so there's no telling what is really secretly happening or what gets ignored or ever sees the light of day.

Even in Israel they are weaponizing genetics and nobody ever mentions anything.

I tend to believe there is a lot of Nazi-type or Nazi-inspired evil lurking in the backrooms and secret camps all over the world and we will probably never know, or only when a nation is thoroughly demolished do the enemies start airing out their nemesis' dirty laundry.

Like the Soviet Union, they liberated Auschwitz and estimated the total killed in Auschwitz to be approx. 4 million. That number has since been estimated down to approx. a little over 1 million; the official Holocaust figure hasn't been adjusted but I digress.

When you lose a war the enemies make you swallow their version of the truth, whether fact or fiction.