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Last night I was watching a documentary about the customs of some Palestinian villagers. It said over 80% of their marriages are arranged through swapping/badal marriages i.e. a brother & a sister marry a brother and a sister from another family or a father & daughter marry from a family with a single mother and a son, etc.

This practice is outlawed in Islam, but these people were all Muslim and claiming its the only way Islam permits it. They even interviewed some 'Sheikh' who was claiming it was the custom throughout Islam's history. Rampant ignorance is killing us; both literally & figuratively.

the way i understood it is that the married couples are not related, so how is it xaraam?

Kolombo wrote:Last night I was watching a documentary about the customs of some Palestinian villagers. It said over 80% of their marriages are arranged through swapping/badal marriages i.e. a brother & a sister marry a brother and a sister from another family or a father & daughter marry from a family with a single mother and a son, etc.

This practice is outlawed in Islam, but these people were all Muslim and claiming its the only way Islam permits it. They even interviewed some 'Sheikh' who was claiming it was the custom throughout Islam's history. Rampant ignorance is killing us; both literally & figuratively.

Kolombo??

The father and son marrying the mother and daughter is wrong. But nothing wong a brother and a sister marrying another family brother and sister. Its very normal. What r u talking about?

Kolombo wrote:Last night I was watching a documentary about the customs of some Palestinian villagers. It said over 80% of their marriages are arranged through swapping/badal marriages i.e. a brother & a sister marry a brother and a sister from another family or a father & daughter marry from a family with a single mother and a son, etc.

This practice is outlawed in Islam, but these people were all Muslim and claiming its the only way Islam permits it. They even interviewed some 'Sheikh' who was claiming it was the custom throughout Islam's history. Rampant ignorance is killing us; both literally & figuratively.

sxb qolodaan aad sheegayso waxaa la yiraahdaa samaritans mana ahan muslimiin waa gaaloo ayaga dhaqankaas isticmaala tiradoodana aad ayey u yartahay sabatana waxa tahay guurka noocaas oo ayaga isticmaalaan

This practice was prohibited, because some Walis (guardians) used to demand that in order for their sisters/daughters to be wed, the family marrying their sisters/daughters had to provide them with brides as well or else they would refuse permitting such a marriage to proceed. This is essentially abusing their power, it was outlawed as a result.

I will find the hadith and put it up soon, insha Allah.

Kolombo wrote:This practice was prohibited, because some Walis (guardians) used to demand that in order for their sisters/daughters to be wed, the family marrying their sisters/daughters had to provide them with brides as well or else they would refuse permitting such a marriage to proceed. This is essentially abusing their power, it was outlawed as a result.

I will find the hadith and put it up soon, insha Allah.

Kolombo The problem with u is- u follow hadiths more than the fundamentals of Islam which is the Quran. I would suggest to stop hating on the arabs and concetrate on the diin that was blessed on the arabs and us, mashallah. Common sense wise i dont see anything wrong with the practice. U can't use ancient culture custom to deny something that is not prohibited in the quran. Kolombo-- i think u equate Arab to Islam, and that makes me question your imaan.

Kolombo,

Have you ever considered the poverty aspect ? The people may be too destitute to pay a bride price.

kolombo i didnt understand.
why is haram if the both parties are agreed on exchange?

or they are saying that is only way to marry in islam?

hyperactive wrote:kolombo i didnt understand.
why is haram if the both parties are agreed on exchange?

or they are saying that is only way to marry in islam?

hyper iskaa waraan walaal.

Diyeeshe,

Kuwaan xalay arkay Muslimnimo bey sheeganaayeen.


AW,

The way I understood it, its not about poverty, but about sustaining strong communal ties.

They rarely marry outside their villages and they're a very strong patriarchial society.


hyperactive,

They make it a condition, without find an exchange for themselves, they won't let their daughters/sisters marry.

This makes it illegitimate, because it falls under the category of abusing their power.

basra taking part in religion discussion,, waa aakhiro zamaanki ayaa la gaaray

Anab wrote:

hyperactive wrote:kolombo i didnt understand.
why is haram if the both parties are agreed on exchange?

or they are saying that is only way to marry in islam?

hyper iskaa waraan walaal.

wa nabad, what about you? lol

kolombo, adeer wa daqan hun but not worse than requesting too much mahar that they know the groom cannot afford.
or refusing some one beacuse of their qabiil/class/race.
it's all under abusing of walaya on the women. it's thulm but not haram, if they agreed.
one can refuse though!

Kolombo wrote:Diyeeshe,

Kuwaan xalay arkay Muslimnimo bey sheeganaayeen.


AW,

The way I understood it, its not about poverty, but about sustaining strong communal ties.

They rarely marry outside their villages and they're a very strong patriarchial society.


hyperactive,

They make it a condition, without find an exchange for themselves, they won't let their daughters/sisters marry.

This makes it illegitimate, because it falls under the category of abusing their power.

'because it falls under the category of abusing their power'???


Kolombo r u talking about MAN LAW here or Diin Law? I think u read too much into the nuances of arab culture and mistake it to be the law of diin! Read Quran if u want to know what is legal and what is ilegal in Islam marriages. The basics are-- if he/she can break your Weeso-- u r eligible to marry. The mother/father & son/daughter duo breaks this common principals! The mother in law or father in law clause?? Waa Aayo, no breaking weeso there! LOOOL Kolomobo are u an atheist by the closet?




Diyeeshaha_Tolka@loooooooooooool WHY??? I always do! Dont u see how many atheists i have ousted??

Hyperactive,

There's a hadith that clearly forbids it, I don't want to misquote it, but will put it up as soon as I find it.

About the meher, I heard some women in the Gulf states are reaching their 30s without marriage proposals because fathers are demanding large meher.


Basra,

Are you done with psycho-analyzing me?

Kolombo wrote:Hyperactive,

There's a hadith that clearly forbids it, I don't want to misquote it, but will put it up as soon as I find it.

About the meher, I heard some women in the Gulf states are reaching their 30s without marriage proposals because fathers are demanding large meher.


Basra,

Are you done with psycho-analyzing me?

Kolombo is that WHAT u r afraid of? Me psycho-analyzing u and getting up close and personal with ya? YES-- i am done. I know so much now.