Re: Re: Al-shabaab stone a girl to death.

Kolombo · Post by **Kolombo** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:45 pm

According to Sheikh Shilling, stoning is un-Islamic and there's no mention of it in the Qur'an, thus it should not be practiced. But, there's no mention that Muslims should pray 5 times a day in the Qur'an, therefore using Sheikh Shilling's logic, should Muslims cease praying 5 times a day?

What about concrete hadiths that prove that stoning was not only prescribed as a punishment for adulterors, but that the Prophet (saw) ordered it himself in regards to certain mentioned individuals and that it was practiced during his lifetime?

Should Muslims discard such hadiths & only accept whatever parts of the religion that appeases the kuffaar?

Advo · Post by **Advo** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:48 pm

war if the stoning was done on behalf of the TFG, he would gladly support it, everything is politics to some people.

Captain24 · Post by **Captain24** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:50 pm

Advo, you are so judgmental on the brother. I read Shilling's views, and I swear it makes a lot of sense and mostly spot on

You should only comment if you sure can prove him wrong

Ina Baxar · Post by **Ina Baxar** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:53 pm

Kolombo wixii la waydiyo ba , wuxu kugu jawabaya .
Before I answer this , can you prove me this .

Before I condemn the Al Shabaab , is there anybody else fighting the Ethiopians right now ?

so on and so forth ...

NoAngst. · Post by **NoAngst.** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:57 pm

Kolombo wrote:According to Sheikh Shilling, stoning is un-Islamic and there's no mention of it in the Qur'an, thus it should not be practiced. But, there's no mention that Muslims should pray 5 times a day in the Qur'an, therefore using Sheikh Shilling's logic, should Muslims cease praying 5 times a day?

You're attacking a straw man which is quite characteristic of you. If I'm not mistaken the Quran does mention praying, just not in details. The Hadiths fills that gap.

The stoning issue is a different kettle of fish. Allah DOES tell us exactly what should be done with adulterers. What will Hadiths add in this case?

Kolombo wrote:What about concrete hadiths that prove that stoning was not only prescribed as a punishment for adulterors, but that the Prophet (saw) ordered it himself in regards to certain mentioned individuals and that it was practiced during his lifetime?

Why were you asking me in the other thread to prove Hadiths contradicting the Quran regarding lapidation? This is what I mean when I say you're one slippery operator.

Somali_4Life · Post by **Somali_4Life** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:02 pm

His Amir al Faasiqen wal kadibeen destroyes mosques, commits treason and fights against those who wants shariahlaw to be installed in somalia. So what does sheikhul demoqrati know about islam and its law?

http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/the_q ... on_stoning

http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthre ... light=rajm

http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthre ... light=rajm

Kolombo · Post by **Kolombo** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:04 pm

Hadith #1:

It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah and Zayd ibn Khaalid al-Juhani (may Allaah be pleased with them both) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Go tomorrow, O Unays, to this woman and if she admits (to adultery) then stone her." He said: I went to her the next day and she admitted it, so the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ordered that she be stoned."

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2575; Muslim, 1698.

Hadith #2:

It was narrated from Jaabir that a man from (the tribe of) Aslam came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) when he was in the mosque and he said, "I have committed adultery." The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) turned his face away from him. The man came to that side to which the Prophet had turned his face, and testified against himself four times. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, "Are you mad?" He said, "No." The Prophet said, "Are you married?" He said, "Yes." So he commanded that he be stoned in the Musalla (Eid prayer place). When the stones troubled him, he ran away, until he was caught in al-Harrah and killed.

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4969; Muslim, 1691.

Hadith #3:

It was narrated that Buraydah ibn al-Haseeb said: A woman from Ghaamid, a branch of al-Azd, came and said: "O Messenger of Allaah, purify me!" He said, "Woe to you! Go back and seek the forgiveness of Allaah and repent to Him." She said: "I think that you intend to send me back as you sent Maa'iz ibn Maalik back." He said, "What has happened to you?" She said that she had become pregnant as a result of zina. He said: "Is it you (who has done that)?" She said: "Yes." He said to her: "(You will not be punished) until you give birth to that which is in your womb."

A man from among the Ansaar sponsored her [i.e., paid for her needs etc] until she delivered (the child). Then he (that Ansaari) came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said: "The Ghaamidi woman has given birth to a child." He (the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) said: "Then we will not stone her and so leave her child with no one to nurse him." One of the Ansaar stood up and said: 'O Messenger of Allaah, let me be responsible for ensuring that he is nursed." Then she was stoned to death.

Narrated by Muslim, 1695.

Air Canada · Post by **Air Canada** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:57 pm

Kolombo

The bottom line is, this is no fun business. It is not something I or you or the people who carried out the punishment enjoy and get pleasure from.

We know it is a very cruel form of punishment. We understand that because we are human. We are sympathetic to the victim and feel her pain. But the question is should we condemn it because gaalo consider it brutal and barbaric? You and I and many others think no because it is the ruling of Allah the almighty. These fools on the other hand who say it is wrong think that way because the gaal said so. What they don't realise (or maybe they do) is that by condemning something which allah has set for us to do, they are actually saying allah is wrong and the gaal he created is right.

Like i said, sharia sentencing is often harsh but there is no reason for anybody to fear it unless that person is not a good muslim. No reason for you to fear your hands getting chopped off unless you are a f-king tuug. No reason for you to fear getting stoned to death unless you are a hoe.

AbuShabab · Post by **AbuShabab** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:05 pm

Kolombo wrote:But, there's no mention that Muslims should pray 5 times a day in the Qur'an, therefore using Sheikh Shilling's logic, should Muslims cease praying 5 times a day?

There's actually a cult whose adherents don't pray 5 times; they pray 3 times. That cult was formed by Rashad Khalifa, who claimed to be the last messenger of God, and "erased" two ayats from the Qur'an. The adherents of that cult are known as Submitters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashad_Khalifa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sub ... ernational

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