worth quoting!

[ModerateMuslim]

kolombo

why do u hate saudis when ur spiritual leader (you qoute him always) sheikh bin baz has served all his life the royal saudi family?

Sheik Abdelaziz bin Baz, Senior Saudi Cleric and Royal Ally

Sheik Abdelaziz bin Baz, the pillar of Saudi Arabia's religious establishment and a crucial ally of the royal family, died today in Taif. He was believed to be in his late 80's.

The cause was cancer, Saudi religious officials said.

Blind since his teens, and frail in his declining years, Sheik bin Baz remained a figure of extraordinary influence. In a country ruled by kings but also by Islamic teachings, he was the senior cleric, which meant that his rulings often had the force of law.

Over the years, he issued thousands of fatwas, or religious decrees, to insure that the kingdom hewed to the traditional Wahabi interpretation of Islam, which gives Saudi Arabia its deeply conservative cast.

He was regarded with reverence by millions of Saudis, to whom faith in Islam comes more naturally than fealty to monarchy. But as Grand Mufti and head of the Council of Senior Islamic Clerics, or ulema, he owed his post to the royal Saud family, and his rulings rarely contradicted their favored course.

Among his edicts, the best known may have been one issued in 1990, which upheld a prohibition on women driving cars.

But more important to the history of Saudi Arabia were two other edicts that Sheik bin Baz issued around the same time. The first, in August 1990, after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, approved the stationing of large numbers of non-Muslim soldiers, many of them Americans, in Saudi Arabia. The second, in January 1991, approved of the Persian Gulf war, waged by an international coalition against Iraq, an Islamic country, as a jihad, or holy war.

In both cases, Sheik bin Baz and other members of the ulema overruled more radical clerics in passionate disputes over whether the step was religiously permissible. The radicals challenged the idea that non-Muslims, as ''infidels,'' should be permitted in Saudi Arabia, home to Mecca and Medina, Islam's two holiest sites, and that non-Muslims should be allowed to attack a Muslim country.

At the time, the rulings brought to a halt rumblings in Saudi mosques and streets that might have undermined the war effort. But they also made Sheik bin Baz a target of criticism from the radicals, including the dissident Osama bin Laden, and stoked anger in some circles against the royal family and its decision to accept non-Muslim forces.

As such criticism grew, in 1991 Sheik bin Baz condemned those who ''whisper secretly in their meetings and record their poison over cassettes distributed to the people.''

The anger exploded in two bombings, in 1995 and 1996, that killed a total of 24 Americans, but Sheik bin Baz remained a fierce critic of the radicals, issuing rulings that called the attacks a sin against Islam.

In general, however, Sheik bin Baz was known and sometimes mocked around the Muslim world for rulings that leaned toward the traditional. He ruled that consulting fortune tellers and practicing witchcraft were forbidden by religious law. And he persuaded the Saudi Government two years ago to forbid the import and production of veils that failed to cover faces completely.

Sheik bin Baz was blinded by disease as an adolescent, but little else is known about his early life. Estimates of his birth year vary from 1909 to 1912.

He was Saudi Arabia's leading cleric for 25 years, and since 1993 held the additional rank of minister after King Fahd appointed him Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia.

He is to be buried on Friday in Mecca, Saudi officials said.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A96F958260

the same man who gave his masters the saudi royals his blessing to the first gulf/iraq war.

what do u expect of saudis?

i dislike this deviant sufi-nut, but if his accusations are true, then kolombo should answer for this inconsistancy...

[zulaika]

And he persuaded the Saudi Government two years ago to forbid the import and production of veils that failed to cover faces completely.

he's blind...why does he care.

[ModerateMuslim]

it's truly a shame that muslims blindly follow their imaams/sheikh as if they were popes.

the cult of imaams has no place in allah's deen!

[Kolombo]

Somali-Star,

What's the purpose of this thread? I saw Musika's comment yesterday and chose to ignore it, why bring it back? Sh. Ibn Baaz was not infallible, I'm sure he made many mistakes like everyone else. But that doesn't change my respect & admiration for him and other scholars of our time, because their good out-weigh their bad. I don't make a habit of insulting dead men and I won't start here. If that makes me inconsistent, I can live with it.

[Diyeeshaha_Tolka]

kolombo how can u be salafi and dislike saudi,,,the whole salafi sect was created by saudi gov..

[Kolombo]

Diyeeshe,

I'm not Salafi, where have you been the last few months?

[Diyeeshaha_Tolka]

Diyeeshe,

I'm not Salafi, where have you been the last few months?

maxaa iga dambeyey ma ahlusuna wal sade ayaad ku biirtay

[Kolombo]

Diyeeshe,

Neither group sxb, I can't stand both of them; too extreme in their beliefs.

I see myself as just another Muslim, period. Salafis are multiplying like crazy all over, most of them are black converts who don't know the basics and think they have the knowledge to criticize scholars like Qardawi & others. They serve their purpose well.

[Murax]

at "Ahlu Sunnah Wal SADE"


Ingenious by Barre Hiiraale


As for Musika Man When Was He ever one to be quoted other then posting of Bagiyo and Xalwo recepies?

[SummerRain]

I consider myself Ahlu sunnah waa SaCAd.

[Diyeeshaha_Tolka]

Diyeeshe,

Neither group sxb, I can't stand both of them; too extreme in their beliefs.

I see myself as just another Muslim, period. Salafis are multiplying like crazy all over, most of them are black converts who don't know the basics and think they have the knowledge to criticize scholars like Qardawi & others. They serve their purpose well.

there is this masjid 5 min from where i live,,waxaa maamula salafi jadiid,, if u r not one of them salaada xitaa kuuguma xiranayaan,that is how extreme they are,,and almost every wadaad waxbay ka sheegayaan wayna diidaan inay masjidka muxaadaro lagu qabto aysan raali ka aheen,,

[Diyeeshaha_Tolka]

I consider myself Ahlu sunnah waa SaCAd.

lool sacadka waligoodba suufiyaal ayey u badnaayeen,,qaar baa deris nala ahaa habeen walba digri ayey nagu dhibi jiren balaayo qeylo badan,,hurdo la'aan ayey na dhigeen

[SummerRain]

I consider myself Ahlu sunnah waa SaCAd.

lool sacadka waligoodba suufiyaal ayey u badnaayeen,,qaar baa deris nala ahaa habeen walba digri ayey nagu dhibi jiren balaayo qeylo badan,,hurdo la'aan ayey na dhigeen

Ma dagaalkayga raabta hadana?
I'm no Suufi.

[Kolombo]

there is this masjid 5 min from where i live,,waxaa maamula salafi jadiid,, if u r not one of them salaada xitaa kuuguma xiranayaan,that is how extreme they are,,and almost every wadaad waxbay ka sheegayaan wayna diidaan inay masjidka muxaadaro lagu qabto aysan raali ka aheen,,

They tried to take over our Masjid here too, laakiin Ilaaheey baa naga saaray. They left to make their own Masjid and accuse us of being ahlul-bidca. They used to refuse anyone istening to Sh. Umal, Shariif C/Nuur, etc. Only Bar-baraawi & others in their sect.

[SummerRain]

Sh.Kolombo,

Miyaad nabad qabta?