Real talk: we are in a coma!

[sadeboi]

I would like for all of us to engage in a serious and much needed discussion of the future and present state of our regions back home. It would be great if we can be less emotionally driven and more logical in pursuit of finding the best method of achieving stability and functioning local governments. I am fully aware that the tone of this topic makes it seem as if thou we have some say in the affairs back home; realistically speaking, to some degree we all do have some say, someone else we can share input with; ideologically, in all political/social changes the young/youth are the leaders in every movement.

We are currently divided into three groups and two of those groups are part of the greater Somali political scene, they support one entity over the other and bring much instability in their duel for power. No matter which of these two comes out victorious they still present an agenda that is no really in the long term interest of our constituents back home; they will only impose the viewpoint of others not from the region. The other group are what can be described as sleeping dogs, they are not with either of the two and see no reason to support them, however their lack on inaction will not improve the situation.

How do you guys view the current situation back home? How can we as a collective group come together for our common interests? What factors are holding us back from establishing peace in our regions? Do you think its time for a shift and allow our intellectuals to lead us, and how can this happen?

The floor is yours!

[xoogSADE14]

Lets first liberate our lands then we can discuss how to move forward.

[sadeboi]

Liberate from whom? Xoogsade this is the kind of talk I did not want us to get in. All the people fighting in Gedo waa wada Marexaan, why do you have more claim to that land then wiilka shabab la socdo? Yaase adiga ku diidi karro dhulka? Like I said, lets have a serious discussion.

[xoogSADE14]

Adeer we don't have the luxury to have a discussion about our region's future because WE (as in indepedent Mareexaans) are not in control of our lands.

Once someone joins Al-Shabab they have no qabiil adeer. Shabab members of Mareexaan descent are willing to kill or be killed to advance Shabab not Mareexaan interests.

Thats what I mean when I said that liberation must come before discussion.

How can Mareexaan "intellectuals" possibly have any chance at leading anything when the guns are out?

[sadeboi]

Ina adeer with all due respect, you can also ask all the S.net SADE members here for input, but no SADE see's the camp you support as "independent." They are viewed as workers with Ethiopia.

[xoogSADE14]

They might be allied with the TPLF at moment, but that is to protect and advance Mareexaan interests.

Tell me anyone in Shabab who joined them to advance Mareexaan interests?

Once you join Shabab, you lose your clan identity and are just following orders. Hence why a Reer Kooshin kid gave his life attacking Guriceel on behalf of Shabab. Or why some Mareexaan murdered Xarawe & that WFP officer AUN both.

Shabab cares only about Shabab adeer. You either support them or you're a murtad. Thats not to say that our side is anywhere near perfect.

Yes the TPLF has some influence over our side at the moment because we need their hardware.

However, Shabab Mareexaans answer to their superiors who are not Mareexaan.

There is a war coming adeer. Be sure to pick a side.

[Murax]

To Sadeboi and Xoogsade,


Sadeboi,

Xoogsade is right in the sense that Marexaan are gaining nothing from Shabab other then being on the frontline fighting for literily nothing. In addition I hate to talk like a jaahil, but at the end of the day a Issaq from Woqooyi and a Raxanwein from Bakool have no business sending our kids off to die, or blowing themselves up. Let Zalaaci take His Jihad to Burco hadu ragg yahay, and Mukthar Robow Bakoolkiis haku ekaado.


Xoogsade,

Saaxib Inadeer the 'occupied' stuff is too much. Whether its Kismaayo, Gedo Marexaan are still pretty much in control. Yes they're occupied by a bad ideology, but nontheless its one they chose to have willingly and they wern't forced. Also keep in mind that that these Marexaans want nothing to do with Barre, because they really belive in their heart that there fighting for something real.


The blame? Really at the end of the day Marexaan have nobody to blame but themselves. We blame subclans, shaqsiyaal etc. but We never put the blame in its rightful place. The shame is actually on Marexaan as a whole for not providing our youths viable alternatives to joining these groups. The fact that the average Marexaan youngster thinks joining Shabab is the best thing He can do with His life says more about us then them. Whats even more amazing is Marexaan were in a prime position from 1998-2005 to really build something, considering they were united under one leader, one mowqif. Its not about pointing fingers the blame goes to all Marexaan! Also this is one of the reason I praised Burkus and the Beled Xaawo adminisration. There the only town in Gedo that pretty much said, Shabab malo bahno, We already have peace and a maamul. That shows that the place is going somewhere, Has a real admin, and isn't meel foodo ah, My two cents.

[snoop12]

we have yet to identify the real problems that are facing beesha SADE including marexan alshabab and barre hiirales group

once you discovered the real issues you can try to bring about effective solutions

and im sure the problem is not disunity within beesha

[Real_1]

when i read the title i thought u were talkin about the gedo section

from with

[sadeboi]

The shame is actually on Marexaan as a whole for not providing our youths viable alternatives to joining these groups. The fact that the average Marexaan youngster thinks joining Shabab is the best thing He can do with His life says more about us then them. Whats even more amazing is Marexaan were in a prime position from 1998-2005 to really build something, considering they were united under one leader, one mowqif.

I agree with you on Al-shabab, but simply choosing the other side, only to go back to this is not a brighter alternative.

So how do we move head then?

[xoogSADE14]

Murax

I agree with pretty much all of what you wrote.

So how do we move head then?

Let our side first drive off Shabab & Co out of our lands. Then We (all concerned Mareexaans) can get together and take part in the building of a viable regional administration. Yes Barre's side will take a lion's share of the posts but that is fair and to be expected since its them that will be doing the heavy lifting.

[Voltage]

I just don't see what there is to fight about and this concept of "Mareexaan first" is really something I find baffling. Xoogsade asically whether you realize it or not your argument is in favor of the continuance of the civil war. Because whether Al Shabaab presides over the loyalty of the people in power in our lands or a government does in the future, the excuse of "Mareexaan doesn't rule" is an empty one. At the end of the tunnel a government is going to form, control our regions, and then the governors iyo heblaayo will be named by that administration without the voice of Mareexaan just like in all the other regions, which is no different than the present control of wadaado you are protesting.

Teeda kale if Al Shabaab is defeated in the present, and Barre and his group take over, do you think they will be "blessed" by any future government? Why didn't the TFG bless the Kismaayo control? How come the Mreexaan could not set up their own mamul recognized by the government but instead could only take advantage of the disorder of things to do what they did while they officially said "we are part of the government". Mind you this is in disorder, imagine a future organized power government that is going to make sure clan uprisings cannot take on the government.

I just don't know when you'll open your eyes and realize the new order of things.

Adeer, a good politician, a smart politican, and effective political strategizer is NOT one who analyzes his present but analyzes the future. Mareexaan has tried to play in the present while ignoring the future for too long and they got burned, many times. Kol horaa laga tagay the concept of "me clan first", 2006 if I am not mistaken.

[xoogSADE14]

Volt

Adeer, the more things change in Somalia the more they stay the same.

Name one organization in Somalia that isn't built on qabiil, aside from Shabab?

Somalia will not have a centralized government in your lifetime, if ever adeer.

Sheekadu goboleeysi ayeey ku dambeeyn doontaa, intii isla dagtaa regardless of clan affiliation will have to set up regional administrations together. In those administrations, power will be shared using the 4.5 or simliar systems.

Adeer. Somali iyo qabiil ineey kala dhamaadeen hadaad u qabtid, you're only fooling yourself and allowing others to use you to further their own agendas.

[QansaGabeyle]

Marexaanimo > Somalinimo. Marexaans need to realize that or they will always be in coma.

[sadeboi]

Qansa, that is so true, the more we think about minimal sub-clan/clannish mentality the less off we will be in the general Somali consensus. We need to cooperate with other clans, build and work on our problems, establish rule in lands we share and then we will all flourish as a whole.

Xoogsade, I'm not sure if your realizing, but none of the members here want what you wish to happen, nor do they want Al-shabab to rule. This can be said for the populace back home, marka don't you think its time for another alternative walaal. Picking up the gun and killing dhowr xabbo dhalinyarro and then seating in the seat and going back to 10 years of the same is not what the clan wants. Barre and those with Al-shabab have the chance to come together and work for a greater interest of achieving peace.