Ogaden for dummies

[Warsan_Star_Muslimah]

The title is not to intended to insult anyone, but one I copied from the books that say, 'Computing for dummies, Networking for dummies,' etc These books are to enlighten the people who are normally clueless about such things. Similarly, I hope to be englightened about the Ogaden region.

Do people in the Ogaden region want independence, or to join Somalia?

Historically have they wanted to join Somalia or form their own nation?


Where do you see their struggle leading to? (This one is very important, do you think they'll get an autonomous region for example?) Would the population in Ogaden be statsified with autonomy? Mise they desire full outright independence and nothing else.


Salaam
P.S. Trying to generate interesting dialogue.

[Munique05]

The title is not to intended to insult anyone, but one I copied from the books that say, 'Computing for dummies, Networking for dummies,' etc These books are to enlighten the people who are normally clueless about such things. Similarly, I hope to be englightened about the Ogaden region.

Do people in the Ogaden region want independence, or to join Somalia?

Historically have they wanted to join Somalia or form their own nation?


Where do you see their struggle leading to? (This one is very important, do you think they'll get an autonomous region for example?) Would the population in Ogaden be statsified with autonomy? Mise they desire full outright independence and nothing else.


Salaam
P.S. Trying to generate interesting dialogue.

LOOL @ Title, if you didn't explain walee wey ku dhamaan lahayd j/k..marka hore huno Ku so Soo Dhawoow guriga Besha Absame

Do people in the Ogaden region want independence, or to join Somalia

Unlike Somaliland the goal of the people of Ogadenia is not to become a country of its own but to gain independence from ethiopian occupation and obviously join Somalia, we are firm believer in Somaliweyn.

Historically have they wanted to join Somalia or form their own nation?

The objective has always been to be independent from a totalitarian regime that is committing genocide,Ogadenia was never free from Ethiopian occupation,In 1896, an agreement was signed between Great Britain and the Ogaden Somali chiefs which was basically constituted Great Britain 's control over Ogaden, and aimed to preservation of Ogaden sovereignty. But Great Britain had no intention of living up to the agreement. In 1897 Great Britain signed an agreement with Abyssinian Empire currently known Ethiopia in which it recognized the Abyssinian claims on Harar, which it had occupied a few years earlier. This act was entirely a breach of the 1896 agreement between Great Britain and Ogaden Somali chiefs. For more than 100 years, the Ogaden territory and its inhabitants have been under severe isolation from the rest of the world. It has been a no-man’s land where Abyssinian successive regimes practice their military power and slaughter innocent civilians. In a nutshell we're not looking to form our own lil country..once Ogaden is free it will be part of greater Somalia, personally i don't see nothing wrong if the inhabitants held a referendum to remain independent from Somalia.

Where do you see their struggle leading to? (This one is very important, do you think they'll get an autonomous region for example?) Would the population in Ogaden be statsified with autonomy? Mise they desire full outright independence and nothing else.[/b]

The struggle is heading in the right direction, the Ogaden Somalis started their struggle ( ever since the formation of the Ogaden National Liberation Front (ONLF) in 1994 )and within few years threatened Ethiopia..despite the Ethiopian governments large-scale offensive to suppress the ONLF The high-level guerrilla campaign by ONLF has lead to some positive results,success and currently the ONLF controls key towns and cities..Full independence and autonomy is the goal.

[Munique05]

The Somali translation for the thread title would be "Ogaden for doqons"....just wanted to mention that


As for the thread itself, i think the only real chance at liberation for the people of Ogadenia is if they have the rest of Somalia assisting them once we get a stable nation, Insha Allah. One clan is not enough to free themselves from the grip of an African superpower....rebel attacks should be kept consistent to keep the pressure on the Woyane's, but it won't be enough to liberate the people of Ogadenia. And in order to persuade Somalis to fight alongside you, it has to be because you want to rejoin then...."join us in the fight so we can join you" as brothers and sisters under Somalinimo. Otherwise, what Somali would wanna fight for another clan and risk his life over it for someone else's own clan agenda? The first thing that I think needs to be changed is the name...cuz i know from family who's visited there that not everybody in Ogadenia is Ogaden and the tribal name itself is a disincentive for anyone other than Ogadens to take up arms against the brutal Xabashi regime.

Sxb you singing the same slogan over and over again is getting boring *yawns*, ma magaca la badalo so other clans can join the struggle, Im tired of hearing this nonsense Geographically renaming a state that is outside your control is as effective as renaming a child who doesn’t belong to you. As of today, Ogadenia is under the control of Ethiopia, and renaming it is out of the question. The name was given to the region by colonial powers and it also has historical signifance.

Hypotheically speaking what guarantee do we have that changing the name will result in a unification that should have been formed under the banner of ending oppression? The population as a whole is suffering from the same tyranny and enduring the same problems despite their tribe, gender and age.
I just don't understand why other somali clans are obsessed with the O name, and decide to ignore the other significant issues.....Yes It is true that the majority of the population in the region is Ogaden (hence the name). It is also true that the ONLF is predominantly Ogaden, and so are their supporters but what does this have to do with anything? This is pathetic and lame shot..The ONLF welcomes individuals who are interested in making a difference in the region, despite their tribe, gender or age..who the hell is stoping other clans from grabbing the gun and fighting, these minority clans who call for name change are not able to see beyond their clannish mentality.


first we need to get xornimo than worry about the name, a child needs to crawl before he can walk likewise Ogadenia doesn't need name change and ONLF shouldn't have to rename itself to be politically correct and please minority clans who don't give a damn and that work with the enemy, narrow minded individuals fail to see the abuse of human rights, erosion of civil liberties and the silent genocide unfolding, in addition the humanitarian situation is worser than that of Darfur so it's only logical and you don't have to be genius to figure out Survival precedence over renaming the region..if you ask the inhabitant of the region which is more important at the present name change or existence, they would most certainly state the latter..

Finally letme just say to all those people and individuals that are constantly protesting about the name and who say we're not going to support or join the struggle until there is name change this further illustrates that they lack understaning of what Islamnimo and Somalinimo means, it also reveals their cowardness and xasidnimo..we don't need your sympathy nor your support Allah is on our side since this struggle is fisabililah.

[Buhodle-Gurl]

What else do you wanna know about Ogadens, walal?




W'salam

[Munique05]

Insha Allah, one day u'll understand that clinging to that tribal name will make u forever be nothing more than a jabhad under gumeysi...and other Somalis are as likely to fight for "Ogaadeenia's" independence from both Ethiopia and Somalia as you are to fight for the independence of a Majeerteenia, Mareexaania, Isaaqland, etc. Rag badan oo Ogaadeen ah baa u dhinte dhulkaas, lakiin the sad reality is unless ur willing to rejoin Somalia proper and make the region more clan-inclusive in terms of representation in the interim, more Ogaadeen men will die in great numbers trying to liberate u on their own. Yes, all clans live there, lakiin labeling the region "Ogaadeenia" is reason for them to worry about their own selves/families and not fight for YOUR nation. One day, u'll realize there's a greater cause and that the lives sacrificed are worth more than keeping ur clan's name as the title of the region just for an ego-rush. Until then, good luck with ur struggle cuz it'll be urs and urs alone

p.s let's not get carried away walaal...don't say ur fighting FiiSabiilillah cuz ur fighting for nationhood, not Islam...if anything, ur fighting FiiSabiiliOgaadeen

Dude don't patrionize me for being real..like i said before survival and independence precedes over plans to rejoin Somali proper, Somalis in general have this qabiil disease and cuqdad, if other clans are going to islolate themselfs and just watch from the fence than there's nothing we can do about it, they are alienating themselfs

..Ogadens/Absame and ONLF is the only body making a difference in the region, other minority clan have been invited to join but have declined..I don't believe Changing the name in order to inspire other groups in the region to join cause will instantly lead to Xornimo..these people need to accept the concept of majority rulez, why are they placing so much emphasis on a name horta wallahi some somalis damiir ma laho, that just shows us they are unable to see beyond their clannish mentality.



Thousands of people have died for this region as it is, and thousands more will die for it, and I refuse to entertain the thought of changing the name of the region to satisfy a few individuals who did nothing to contribute to the safety of the people, and the liberation of the country. Those of you who have a problem with the name of the region should find a way to get over it. It is called Ogadenia, and it will continue to be called Ogadenia UNLESS those who fought for the region's liberation choose otherwise


Is not FiisabiliOgadeen, the struggle is both religious movement and to small degree it's nationalistic but that is normal since we can find similar accounts in Islamic history whereby tribes were supporting the Prophet, by the way the two always go in hand in hand ( Same as Palestinian Cause)..defending a terrorized, tyrannized and massacred people against kafir invaders is jihad fisabililah ("And fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you...2:190)

[Highland]

Munique, you said majority rules but how can the Tyranny of the majority be checked?

What's the population of Harti in Ogadenia?

[Munique05]

Munique, you said majority rules but how can the Tyranny of the majority be checked?

What's the population of Harti in Ogadenia?

There is no evidence to support the majority ( ogadens) are oppressing any particular minority subclan, if you believe so bring your proof

I don't have any statistics on the harti population but according to anectodal evidence it isn't many and MJ in particular Reer Bidiciyahan are the prominent harti that settle in Ogadenia ( in the city of Wardheer)

[Addoow]

some of my people Mudulood especially ujeejeen live there and we dont like their degaans being named after other groups.

[Munique05]

some of my people Mudulood especially ujeejeen live there and we dont like their degaans being named after other groups.

I never heard of mudlood, am guessing they are the size of quranjo/ants

[DANGIRL]

I guess its the ogaden in me, the one that turns many people off, but I get angry when I see others complaining about the name and not seeing the bigger picture here.Anyway, I'm dead set against Ogadenia wanting to be part of Somalia. If I recall correctly ,there was a time were they might have wanted to be part of "Greater Somalia",but thats long been gone.I mean do we really need more corrupt and nihilistic government to governor us?

[Addoow]

some of my people Mudulood especially ujeejeen live there and we dont like their degaans being named after other groups.

I never heard of mudlood, am guessing they are the size of quranjo/ants

You are pathetic,Mudulood is the biggest hawiye subclan.

[Munique05]

^^^ No dude u are pathetic, i have neva heard ur ppl in my land

[Munique05]

I guess its the ogaden in me, the one that turns many people off, but I get angry when I see others complaining about the name and not seeing the bigger picture here.Anyway, I'm dead set against Ogadenia wanting to be part of Somalia. If I recall correctly ,there was a time were they might have wanted to be part of "Greater Somalia",but thats long been gone.I mean do we really need more corrupt and nihilistic government to governor us?

i have that too...Somalia is still in a mess it hasen't fully recovered so i don't see the logic in joining..

[Warsan_Star_Muslimah]

Munique; Thanks for answering all the questions sis.

Horta, the way I see it you can't possible join Somalia, anytime soon. The main objective is to heavily fight for freedom and independence. I don't believe the international community will support Ogaden if they want to join Somalia, they might see it as threat to Ethiopia. I don't see why though, we wouldnt want to fight them unless their starting trouble or oppressing our people.

I have to say though, I don't agree with majority rule if they are opressing the miniority and are not being treated equally.

BTW, I am Mudulood, why are you calling us ants I've never heard of Absame until I came to snet, but I've heard of Ogaden. Abgaal are part of Mudulood, just like Ogaden are part of Absame.


Yungfresh; Yaroow are you calling me a doqon?

You are correct in saying that the help of Somalia would be valuable towards the struggle for freedom and independence, but I disagree with the notion that it cannot be achieved without Somalia! It can be with effective fighting and the right connections (with outside world). Also, whilst the fighting is not technically for ISLAM, this is muslim blood being split, and as such we should fight with them, and yes Ethiopia might have muslimeen, laakin it is controlled by a miniority Christians.

The name shouldn't be an issue bro, because runnti I didn't even notice it! Didn't care that there was also a qabil with the name Ogaden. If my son was to say, 'Mum I'm going to fight for the Ogaden region and for their freedom,' I would not refuse simply because the name of the place will be Ogadenia and that coincides with the name of the qabil that mainly live there.

Buhodle Gurl; Anything.

Dangirl; To a certain degree Greater Somalia has gone. It is still possible in the sense that we all have separate regions, but have one joint military force and economic force, and one greater co-joint parliment (this one will be tricky). The economy one will be tricky too, cause I'm sure some regions might be making more money than others, but we would have to support each other, maybe give some money more to others so we can all be economically at the same pace, or be near too. Greater Somalia doesn't have to be us not having our own countries and self-determination, doesn't have to be that people in other regions are going to be ruled from mogadishu, each region can have their own capital and etc. Much like the model of Great Britain. It is not perfect model, but it ensures that attacking us won't be an easy feat.

Salaam to you all

[Somaliman50]

Munique, i think you need to calm down walaal. Imagine that region was dominated by any random clan for example, MJ. Would you think it's right to call the region 'Majerteniya' and name the resistance as 'MNLF'? You see how it wouldn't work? I think the reason why you are annoyed when people question this, is because you think people are questioning the efforts and patriotism shown by the Ogadeni people, yes?

You should know that the Ogadeni struggle is never forgotten but yes it undoubtedly would help when is becomes a broader Somali national cause. Imagine the ICU was called the 'Hawiye Islamist Union', do you expect everyone to support it and invest in it when it will only remind them of past clan rivalries and whatnot? Of course not.

I personally have never concerned myself with the name ONLF because i am more concerned about the atrocities carried out by the Woyanne regime, but saying the Somali region is majority Ogadeni tribesmen therefore it should be called Ogadenya is not a legitimate excuse! Should Djibouti be called the nation of the Issa's and the Afar's? Should Rwanda be called Tutsiland? Should Burundi be called Hutuland? No! It should be the name of a place representative of the entire region satisfiable with everyone!