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Dispute between somalia and Kenya

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In one of the threads, Voltage claimed that there was never a dispute between Kenya and Somalia.
Bunch of bafoons baa isku yimid wallahi. When was there ever a contention of sea between Kenya and Somalia? In 40 years no one has heard of it. Why would Kenya come with something it has not dared in 40 years of governance?? Now these i.diotic macalin dugsi who do not understand international politics signed a paper legitimizing that a dispute exists in our territorial waters.
Once again, this twat has shown how eternally confused he is. There is a dispute between Somalia and Kenya and it has existed since Somalia ratified the International Law of the Sea in 1989. This current memorandum of understanding signed between the current government and Kenya is part of a long process to find a solution to this maritime dispute between Somalia and Kenya.


K E N Y A

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CHAPTER 371

THE MARITIME ZONES ACT

ARRANGEMENT OF SECTIONS

Section

PART I - PRELIMINARY

1. Short title.

2. Interpretation.

PART II - TERRITORIAL WATERS

3. Breadth of the territorial waters.

PART III - EXCLUSIVE ECONOMIC ZONE

4. Establishment and delimitation of exclusive economic zone.

5. Exercise of sovereignty.

6. Rights of other states.

7. Jurisdiction.

8. Application of Fisheries Act.

PART IV - MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS

9. Regulations.

10. Evidence.

11. Modifications to give effect to international agreements.

12. Onus of proof.

13. Repeal and modification of Laws.

FIRST SCHEDULE - Area of Territorial Waters.


CHAPTER 371

THE MARITIME ZONES ACT

Commencement: 25th August, 1989


An Act of Parliament to consolidate the law relating to the territorial waters and the continental shelf of Kenya; to provide for the establishment and delimitation of the exclusive economic zone of Kenya; to provide for the exploration and exploitation and conservation and management of the resources of the maritime zones; and for connected purposes




6 of 1989.


PART I - PRELIMINARY

1. This Act may be cited as the Maritime Zones Act.

Short title.

2. In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires - "exclusive economic zone" means the exclusive economic zone of Kenya established and delimited by section 5;
Interpretation

"fish" means fish as defined in section 2 of the Fisheries Act;
Cap. 378.

"fishing craft" means a fishing vessel as defined in section 2 of the Fisheries Act and includes an aircraft, hovercraft and any submersible craft used in the catching of fish;

"installation" includes any moored vessel, communicationable, oil pipeline, military surveillance installation and any structure whether permanent or temporary within the maritime zone, which is being or intended to be used for or in connection with the exploration and exploitation and conservation and management of the natural resources;

"maritime zones" means the exclusive economic zone together with the territorial waters and the air space above the exclusive economic zone;

"natural resources" means the living and non-living resources of the seabed and subsoil thereof, and of the waters superjacent to the seabed;

"nautical mile" means the international nautical mile.

PART II - TERRITORIAL WATERS

3. (1) Except as provided in subsection (4), the breadth of the territorial waters of Kenya shall be twelve nautical miles.


(2) The breadth of the territorial waters shall be measured in the manner set out in the First Schedule calculated in accordance with the provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea done at Montego Bay on 10th December, 1982.

(3) For the purpose of Article 7 of that Convention, Ungwana Bay (formerly known as Formosa Bay) shall be deemed to be and always to have been an historic bay; and the Minister may, by notice published in the Gazette, declare any other bays or waters to be historic bays or waters.

(4) On the coastline adjacent to neighbouring states, the breadth of the territorial waters shall extend to every point of which is equidistant from the nearest points on the baselines form which the breadth of the territorial waters of each of respective states is measured.


PART III - EXCLUSIVE ECONOMIC ZONE

4. (1) There shall be an exclusive economic zone of Kenya.

(2) Subject to subsections (3) and (4), the exclusive economic zone shall comprise those areas of the sea, seabed and subsoil that are beyond and adjacent to the territorial waters, having as their limits a line measured seaward from the baselines, low waterlines or low tide elevations described in the First Schedule, every point of which is 200 nautical miles from the point on the baselines, low water marks or low tide elevations.

(3) The southern boundary of the exclusive economic zone with Tanzania shall be on an easterly latitude north of Pemba Island obtained by the northern inter-section of two arcs one from the Kenya lighthouse at Mpunguti Ya Juu Island, and the other from Pemba Island lighthouse at Ras Kigomasha.

(4) The northern boundary of the exclusive economic zone with Somalia shall be delimited by notice in the Gazette by the Minister pursuant to an agreement between Kenya and Somalia on the basis of international law.

5. Kenya shall, within the exclusive economic zone, exercise sovereign rights with respect to the exploration and exploitation and conservation and management of the natural resources of the zone and without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing, the exercise of the sovereign rights shall be in respect of -

(a) exploration and exploitation of the zone for the production of energy from tides, water currents and winds;

(b) regulation, control and preservation of the marine environment;

(c) establishment and use of artificial islands and off-shore terminals, installations, structures and other devices; and

(d) authorization and control of scientific research.

6. Subject to any international convention and to any other written law for the time being in force making provisions with respect to transport and communications by sea or air, all states shall enjoy navigation and over-flight, laying of submarine cables and pipelines and other lawful uses recognized by international law in the exclusive economic zone.
Rights of other states.

7. (1) Any offence against any written law constituted by, and any question or dispute of a civil nature concerning or arising out of, any act or omission which occurs within the exclusive economic zone in connection with the exploration and exploitation, or conservation and management, of the sea-bed and subsoil or natural resources shall be subject to the jurisdiction of the courts of Kenya as if the offence, or the question or dispute, occurred in Kenya, and may be determined accordingly by any court of competent jurisdiction.

(2) The jurisdiction conferred on any court by subsection (1) shall be in addition to, and not in derogation of, any jurisdiction exercisable apart from this section by that or any other court and any power afforded by any other written law.
Jurisdiction.

8. (1) Subject to subsection (2), the provisions of the Fisheries Act and rules and regulations made thereunder shall apply to the exclusive economic zone.

(2) Notwithstanding any provision of the Fisheries Act, a foreign fishing craft may be used for fishing within the exclusive economic zone for the purpose of fisheries research or of experimentation or sport, subject to the prior consent in writing of the Minister to such activity and in accordance with such conditions (if any) as the Minister may impose in giving his consent.
Application of Fisheries Act. Cap. 378.

PART IV - MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS

9. (1) Where no other provisions is for the time being made by any other written law, the Minister may make regulations to regulate the exploration and exploitation and conservation and management of the maritime zones that may be necessary or expedient for carrying out
the objects and purposes of this Act, and without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing, for all or any of the following purposes:-

(a) regulating the conduct of scientific research;

(b) prescribing measures for the protection and preservation of the marine environment;

(c) regulating the construction, maintenance, operation, and use of, and establishment of safety areas around artificial islands (whether permanent or temporary), offshore terminals, installations and other structures;

(d) regulating the exploration and exploitation of the maritime zones for the production of energy from the tides, water currents and winds, and for any other economic uses;

(e) providing for the passage of warships or other military vessels through the exclusive economic zone and the conduct of any military manoeuvres therein;

(f) providing for such other matters as are necessary to give full effect to the sovereign rights of Kenya in the exclusive economic zone;

(g) in consultation with the Minister for the time being responsible for finance, providing for the levying of customs and excise duties;

(h) prescribing the fees to be paid in respect of any manner or thing prescribed by this Act or the regulations;

(i) prescribing all matters that are authorized by this Act or the regulations to be prescribed.


Regulations.

10. If in any proceedings, whether civil or criminal, a question arises as to whether an act or omission occurred within or outside the maritime zones, a certificate to that effect signed by the Minister shall be received in evidence and be deemed to be signed without further proof, and such certificate shall constitute proof of the facts certified therein.
Evidence.

11. The Minister may, from time to time, by notice in the Gazette, limit any provision of this Act so far as it is necessary to give effect to any convention on the Law of the Sea or to any other international agreement or convention affecting the maritime zones. Modifications to give effect to international agreements.


12. Without prejudice to the provisions of any other law for the time being in force, in any criminal proceedings where the defendant is charged with having contravened a provision under which a licence, permit, or the consent of any person, is required for the doing of any act in the maritime zones, the onus shall be on the defendant to prove that at the time to which the charge relates the requisite licence, permit or consent was duly held.
Onus of proof.

13. (1) Any reference occurring in any written law to the exclusive economic zone and the territorial waters shall be construed subject to the provisions of this Act.
Repeal and modification of the laws.

(2) [Spent.]

FIRST SCHEDULE (s.3)

AREA OF THE TERRITORIAL WATERS

The area of the territorial waters of the Republic of Kenya extends on the coastline adjacent to the High Seas to a point twelve international nautical miles seawards from the straight baselines, low water lines or low tide elevations, hereinafter described as follows:

Commencing on the straight line joining Diua Damasciaca Island and Kitungamwina Island at the point at which this line is intersected perpendicularly by the Median straight line drawn from Boundary Pillar 29 (being the terminal pillar of the Kenya-Somalia boundary);

thence continuing south westerly by a straight base line to Kiungamwina Island;

thence south westerly by a straight base line for about 25 km. to Little Head;


thence south westerly by a straight base line for about 11 km. to Boteler Island;

thence westerly by a straight base line for about 45 km. to Ras Takwa;

thence south westerly by a straight base line for about 18 km. to Kinyika Island;

thence south westerly by a straight base line for about 9 km. to Tenewi ya Juu Island;

thence south westerly by a straight base line for about 26 km. to Ziwalu Island;

thence south westerly by a straight base line across Ungwana Bay for about 56 km. to the northernmost point of Ras Ngomeni;

thence continuing generally along the low water line to Ras Wasini;

thence southerly across the Wasini Channel to Ras Kisinga Mkoni;

thence by the low water line to Mpunguti Ya Chini Island;

thence westerly by a straight base line for about 18 km. to the terminal of the Kenya/Tanzania land boundary at Ras Jimbo.



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faolex.fao.org/docs/texts/ken3534.doc
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Re: Dispute between somalia and Kenya

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Twisted_Logic wrote:In one of the threads, Voltage claimed that there was never a dispute between Kenya and Somalia.
Bunch of bafoons baa isku yimid wallahi. When was there ever a contention of sea between Kenya and Somalia? In 40 years no one has heard of it. Why would Kenya come with something it has not dared in 40 years of governance?? Now these i.diotic macalin dugsi who do not understand international politics signed a paper legitimizing that a dispute exists in our territorial waters.

I didn't read the whole thing but if there is/was a dispute why would Somalia agree to the annexation of its territories? This makes absolutely no sense to me. Please explain.
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Re: Dispute between somalia and Kenya

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Ismahan123 wrote:
Twisted_Logic wrote:In one of the threads, Voltage claimed that there was never a dispute between Kenya and Somalia.
Bunch of bafoons baa isku yimid wallahi. When was there ever a contention of sea between Kenya and Somalia? In 40 years no one has heard of it. Why would Kenya come with something it has not dared in 40 years of governance?? Now these i.diotic macalin dugsi who do not understand international politics signed a paper legitimizing that a dispute exists in our territorial waters.

I didn't read the whole thing but if there is/was a dispute why would Somalia agree to the annexation of its territories? This makes absolutely no sense to me. Please explain.
:lol:

It is not. There is a dispute. Kenya will submit its case to the dudes who solve these problems in May, 2009. Somalia will present its case when it is ready.

Simple.

People are crying over nothing.
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Re: Dispute between somalia and Kenya

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TL,

Thank you once again for shining light into the empty space between Voltage's ears.
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AbdiWahab252 wrote:TL,

Thank you once again for shining light into the empty space between Voltage's ears.
:lol:

Now that we know the dispute was accepted in 1989 by the former regime, let's see if our friend will criticize it with the same passion he has been criticizing Abdi-rehman Abdishakur, the PM and the President :lol:
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Wallahi we are bunch of drama queens ma istrii. :lol: Ok, I'll read the rest when I get time.

Hey are you still gonna do that internship you talked about for your school? You wanna go international?
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Re: Dispute between somalia and Kenya

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TL,

Dang, man, hit me up with a PM, Ismahan reminded me of a great opportunity for you :up:

Ismahan,

Thank you for helping me help a fellow Hiiraabite.
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And thank you for bringing a document which proofs there was never a contention of Somalia and Kenya's territorial water boundary. I owe you for that. :up:
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You can highlight all you want and you can write in bolt all you want. You is still a ilko yar with maskax yar.
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In the letter of understanding Kenya and Somalia are jointly claiming the continental shelf out to the 350 mile limit, for those areas that are not below so-and-so many feet deep. International agreement requires that that all such claims
be made before May x of this year. They are agreeing only to put off the division of that additional disputed area until the standing dispute within the 200 mile limit is settled. That's it. Kenya has no new claim within the 200 mile limit and Somalia stands to gain considerable natural resources from it's new claim of the area from 200 to 350 miles out. Bes.
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why are two countries in a dispute making a joint claim? Can someone explain this to me please? The requirement is for individual states to make their claims to the UN body themselves. Even if we accept that in the outer limits of the claim there are no conflicting interests. Are we really to rely on Kenya to protect our national interests just we wanna spend a few nights in nairobi?
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Re: Dispute between somalia and Kenya

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Voltage,

You continue to show your tragic ignorance.

Entirely nonsensical post along with other rants meant to overload this thread with pointless nothingness so that the fact loses its utility. Another lame attempt to hide the crucial genesis of this dispute from the public, simply because the government that ratified International Law of the Sea was none other than MSB regime.

You are trying so desperately to trivialize the relevancy of the documents I posted, but no such luck to you.

You claimed that there was never a dispute between Kenya and Somalia and I PROVED to you that there was one which was officially entered into the law books in 1989 after Somalia ratified the International Law of the Sea.
The northern boundary of the exclusive economic zone with Somalia shall be delimited by notice in the Gazette by the Minister pursuant to an agreement between Kenya and Somalia on the basis of international law.
Then when you silly rants and unfounded accusations were busted, you claimed that Somali government gave away its territory to the Kenyans. Of course, this is a nonsense you have constructed in your head. The Prime Minister has denied this and termed it baseless. The Memorandum of Understanding between Kenya and Somalia shows that this is not the case. Majority of the SNET members who have read the documents dismissed your non-sense claims.

Congratulations for immersing yourself in shame once again :up:
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Grant wrote:In the letter of understanding Kenya and Somalia are jointly claiming the continental shelf out to the 350 mile limit, for those areas that are not below so-and-so many feet deep. International agreement requires that that all such claims
be made before May x of this year. They are agreeing only to put off the division of that additional disputed area until the standing dispute within the 200 mile limit is settled. That's it. Kenya has no new claim within the 200 mile limit and Somalia stands to gain considerable natural resources from it's new claim of the area from 200 to 350 miles out. Bes.
The problem is when literally challenged teenagers try to make sense of diplomatic literature. No-matter how much you debunk his silly accusations which stem off from a very poor comprehension skills, Voltage will continue to hold onto his stupid arguments.

Such is Snet for you :down:
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Guardian wrote:why are two countries in a dispute making a joint claim? Can someone explain this to me please? The requirement is for individual states to make their claims to the UN body themselves. Even if we accept that in the outer limits of the claim there are no conflicting interests. Are we really to rely on Kenya to protect our national interests just we wanna spend a few nights in nairobi?
They are not making a joint claim. It is joint because both countries are claiming the same piece of land. Kenya will put forth its case in May 2009, and the Somali government will follow when it is ready.

Hope this makes sense to you.
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