Old history...

[xamd]

I was listening to an elderly man last night and he was going off with his thoughts about recent developments in somalia for the last 3 yrs. This is what he said:

The Somali people mis-interepretted the so-called peaceful period of '06. Shariif was nothing more than a front man for Dahir Uweys and while he was winning the hearts and minds of the people with their 'peace' in xamar they were conquering lands that were already peacefull in other parts of somalia. Therefore, Uweys program was from the very start a political take-over. The fact that they cleaned the warlords from somalia in '06 means nothing because if a thug wants to expand his territorry he must prevail over the smaller thugs present and what happened was nothing more than this. This is why the abgaal proverb was coined:

xarfaan xarfaan xoogtay xukuumad xee udahesaan?

Close meaning of: why you being fooled by a thug being taken over by another thug and thinking it is the establishment of order?

if any abgaals can better translate, please feel free as I am not abgaal myself. However, I was just taken by the brilliance of the proverb.

He continued:

When ethiopians came in got rid of the UIC, Nur-Ade came on bored after Gedi was fired. However, around that time, Abdullahi Yusuf paid huge sons of money to al-shabaab so that they can kick out the Maraheen from kismaayo. He said this was the reason why he was deposed, because the west discovered that he paid al-shabaab to do that so to save face they told him to abdicate or they will humiliate him worse than nixon and perhaps they might execute him.

In the mean time, the west singelled sharrif and told him, hey Uweys and his crew will never come to power so long as we're around. Your credit is still good, today your closest to being on the seat so go for it. So he left them in the lurch in asmara and came to djibuti, thinking that his portion of the UIC with the help of funding from the west would help him come to and stay in power. If Uweys and crew came to him and refused his offers he would simply kick the crap out of them.

This is where his plan was spoiled, he relied way too much on his supporters from the UIC instead of building a national army. So now he go tons of money but no real help. Amisom are only mandated to defend him and his UIC supporters abandoned him in the lurch just as he abandoned Uways. So Sharrif is basically done for.

You can understand why Uways is pissed, he beef is, how can I come under someone that I myself have given him name and power? No. it is jealousy and vengence at its worst.

Since Sharriif is done for, now you get the NYTIMES peace about the shabaab vs. the sufis. The west seems to have lost hope in Sharrif and are looking towards the sufis to defeat al-shabaab, even though they're woefully under-armed, they're the only group willing to risk their lives to defend themselves against al-shabaab. And this is understandable, because if al-shabaab took power they have two choices, to abandon their religious practices or to be executed and persecuted.

hell of a story no? I've written down what I could remember, it was quite interesting...

[1_londoner]

Xamud, is that you?

[xamd]

Xamud, is that you?

you're the second person to think that, but no, I am not Xamud, but xamd, as in al-xamdulillah.

[Captain24]

Care to share your qabiil with us?

[Hyperactive]

i dont see any hell of story, odey qabilist shekadesa hano kenin.

[xamd]

I'm neither marehaan, nor habir gidir, nor majeerteen... so for the most part I don't have direct tribal relations any of the figures mentioned. Other than that I'd like to remain anonymous.

[xamd]

i dont see any hell of story, odey qabilist shekadesa hano kenin.

why don't you entertain me hyperactive?

[xamd]

i dont see any hell of story, odey qabilist shekadesa hano kenin.

Hyperactive, if you look deeply into the story you'll see that the old man was basically speaking of the development of a new order in somalia. He said that one of the things that came to bite sharriif in the back is that he , as part of the UIC, destroyed the tribal order of xamar, so he no longer could count on tribal militias to help him now that he needs them. He also said that Uways's program was in the works for over 3 decades and it is not really a tribal program. Basically, the conflicts have started and will continue to blur tribal lines...

[Hyperactive]

okay on serious note, somali political is clan passed whatever we like it or not
also no one or no organization or movement whether islamic or not without tribal back up will ever sucesseed.

somalis even their sheikhs, no one will folow him unless his tribe back him up.
which is really good thing because you remember when islam reveiled to prophet mohammed asw was ordered to call it to his close family, then close kinds then close tribal men, before others.
we can use it in bad or good when it come to tribal ideology.

[xamd]

okay in serious note, somali political is clan passed whatever we like it or not
also no one or no organization or movement whether islamic or not without tribal back up will ever sucesseed.

somalis even their sheikhs, no one will folow him unless his tribe back him up.
which is really good thing because you remember when islam reveiled to prophet mohammed asw was ordered to call it to his close family, then close kinds then close tribal men, before others.
we can use it in bad or good when it come to tribal ideology.

Do you think al-shabaab has tribal backing?

I know the sufis have local tribal backings for their respective leaders for example those of the mareehaan have local mareehan support, those of habir gidir have local habir gidir support, those of the the dir have local dir support. do you think it is the case for al-shabaab?

[Hyperactive]

xamd yes i think alshabab also have tribal back up.
whether iney haq isko raèn or pure tribal or common intrests that`s another issue.

i know one of the leaders who we have family connection, and yes he has his tribe back up where he is at and also his militeria. nin somali nin kale o dagalami maayo without tribal connect, that`s only way somalis trust each other, or common intrests. what we call tahaaluf between qabail who have common goal example: to bring down another tribes/another leader injust or what they think it is.

[xamd]

what do you think of claims floating around that say that al-shabaab have executed tribal leaders and have started to take over tribal powers and leadership of various tribes?

[Hyperactive]

what do you think of claims floating around that say that al-shabaab have executed tribal leaders and have started to take over tribal powers and leadership of various tribes?

i dont know about them and every one intiteled with their opinion.
im intatiled to mine. i just answer to your question best of my knowledge. i could be wrong.

[xamd]

what do you think of claims floating around that say that al-shabaab have executed tribal leaders and have started to take over tribal powers and leadership of various tribes?

i dont know about them and every one intiteled with their opinion.
im intatiled to mine. i just answer to your question best of my knowledge. i could be wrong.

hats off to a man with class!

[xamd]

I have come to the conclusion, that contrary to what many snet tribalists believe, that the situation is no longer on qabiil lines.How else can you explain a habir gidir fighting and killing another habir gidir in battle and same for maraheen, in recent fightings in galguduud. This is on religio/ideological terms and recent events are a proof of that. Yes, qabiil has still much worth, however, there are things more revered now...

Those who think it is still on tribal lines, will come to a rude awakening. Besides most of those here that revere tribal connections, are really individualistic westerners who in real life would not fit into such tribal structures...no way...it is only by claim...