Col Cumar Xaashi

[Murax]

AUN


A big blow to the Gov

[Cinque Mtume]

AUN to the late moryaan.

[Murax]

AUN to the late moryaan.

I know the Guy was part of the USC, but I always heard He was part of the inter Hawiye Vs Hawiye USC alligning with Mudulood. Was this Guy behind the death of Darood civilians? Either way the Man is dead now, so We'll pay our respects. Plus the Guy is more respectable than Shareef Dalxis, at least He was aggressive for what He believed in

[Cinque Mtume]

I have no evidence for his wrongdoings during the civil war, and I'm reasonable enough not to accuse him of anything he might not have done.


But I'm irritated by the fact that waxaa awoowgey AY lagu diidey, they're doing themselves now, i.e. calling for Ethiopian muscles to strengthen the weak TFG government. Ethiopians were invaders when they were under Darod tutelage, but under the direction of Hawiye, it's Ok.

He's one of the guys that displayed this hypocrite behaviour. They're all a joke and they're keeping the rest of the Somalis hostage with their idiocy. Their little revolution failed and now they're clinging on the little they have (or had actually): a ravaged Mogadishu.

[Murax]

I have no evidence for his wrongdoings during the civil war, and I'm reasonable enough not to accuse him of anything he might not have done.


But I'm irritated by the fact that waxaa awoowgey AY lagu diidey, they're doing themselves now, i.e. calling for Ethiopian muscles to strengthen the weak TFG government. Ethiopians were invaders when they were under Darod tutelage, but under the direction of Hawiye, it's Ok.

He's one of the guys that displayed this hypocrite behaviour. They're all a joke and they're keeping the rest of the Somalis hostage with their idiocy. Their little revolution failed and now they're clinging on the little they have (or had actually): a ravaged Mogadishu.

AY/Shareef are the same person pretty much but at least AY is smarter. He Had thousands of Amxaaro along with Amisom at His disposal, while Sh Dalxis Has nothing more than AMISOM.

[Mr. Yungnfresh]

A big blow to the Gov

literally


AUN.

[JaMaaL-23]

Shariifka is at the cross roads now and he has two parting ways to go on now.

1, keep going with the TFG agenda and call in the ethiopians selling his religion and honour (however little he has of it now) in the process.

2, Or, stepping down from his fake presidential post and safe the country from another senseless occupation that could go on for decades to come. He shouls call for national reconciliation in Somalia under a tree and should ask the AMISOM to leave ASAP after he steps down.

He should also vow to fight the Ethiopians if they dare to come in Somali terrritory again. This will turn him into a hero and he will enter the history books as a saviour (for the Somalis anyway)

Abdulahi Yusuf was able to walk away when the game was up, Sharifka has more on the line than A/Y as he is a man of god or claims to be.

[Twisted_Logic]

I have no evidence for his wrongdoings during the civil war, and I'm reasonable enough not to accuse him of anything he might not have done.


But I'm irritated by the fact that waxaa awoowgey AY lagu diidey, they're doing themselves now, i.e. calling for Ethiopian muscles to strengthen the weak TFG government. Ethiopians were invaders when they were under Darod tutelage, but under the direction of Hawiye, it's Ok.

He's one of the guys that displayed this hypocrite behaviour. They're all a joke and they're keeping the rest of the Somalis hostage with their idiocy. Their little revolution failed and now they're clinging on the little they have (or had actually): a ravaged Mogadishu.

AY/Shareef are the same person pretty much but at least AY is smarter. He Had thousands of Amxaaro along with Amisom at His disposal, while Sh Dalxis Has nothing more than AMISOM.

Allahu Naxareesto to Shaheed Omar Hashi.

Secondlu, how is Sharif the same as Abdullahi Yusuf? One has the blood of thousands of Somalis in his hand and has a bono-fide record as a quisling while the other cries for reason and talks even when his enemies leave no stone unturned to topple him and in the process kill thousands and displace millions. It is beyond retarded to equate Abdullahi Yusuf with any living Somali soul today.

Simply because there was war when Abdullahi Yusuf slept at Villa Somalia and now that Sharif is the president doesn't make the guys the same.

Most people who criticize Abdullahi Yusuf do so because of his intrinsic vile nature and clanist mindset while people criticize Sharif for the exact opposite reasons.

I would be interested to know on what grounds you equate the two men. Really would be

[paidmonk]

He was a noble Hawiye warrior, may he rest in peace.

His clan has fiercely defended Somalia from peace for two decades.

[Murax]

TL,

To Me there the same, because I look at things from the "Men don't make excuses, they make changes" point of view. AY couldn't bring a Gov to Somalia, and neither could Shareef. AY Had Eithos defending Villa Somalia and Shareef Has AMISOM defending Villa Somalia. Eithos indiscriminintly shelled neighborhoods, and AMISOM indiscriminately shell neighborhoods. AY did what He did out of greed, and Shareef at the end of the day its greed too because He won't give up His seat, while at the same time Had no interest in building a defense force instead of travelling the world looking for money. To Me Shareef and AY were both utterly incompetent and for that I'm not gonna favor one over the other. I was Shareefs biggest supporter but the Guy Has no position being in the position He's in, and I'm furious with Him.

[zingii]

Since we are good at pointing fingers at each other I wonder who gets the blame now for what's going.

[Somaliweyn]

Murax,

Marka hore waad salamantahay.

Tan labaad, its not about the men its about the system. A.Y and Sh.Sharif are men who function within the same system, a foreign-created and backed system to enforce their governing arrangements upon Somalis and the country.

You and T-L are discussing the same subject from different angles. T-L is right in showing the difference between A.Y and Sh.Sharif as individuals and their character/reputation, while you are right in showing that both men have the same modus operandi. They are both working within and for the same foreign-created governing system.

Anyways,

Somalia is going down the drain because we have different men operating within the same context and having the same modus operandi. Whether we look at the foreign-created regime or the religious warlords, they are new men who are basically doing the same as those before them.

The religious warlords on one hand take over towns and regions by sheer force and without consultation with the people create their own hand-picked administration that is supposed to govern the people. In this struggle for political power they enlist en masse teenagers and brainwash them to defend and die for the cause. The result is that their selfish and ruthless struggle for political power results in the further destruction of the country and further massacre of the Somali people. How in the hell is this modus operandi any different than the previous warlords?

The foreign-created regime is also applying the same tactics as those before it.

Suprisingly we have hardcore supporters on both those sides who want to make us believe that ''their camp is different than all before it and will bring change and prosperity to the country''.



Somalia needs real solutions, not new men operating within the old context and applying the same modus operandi as those before them.

[Shirwac_1]

Hagarla'aan dalkaaga wax ugu qabo sxb.

Xalka kaliya oo dhabta ah eey Soomaaliya u baahantahey waa daacadnimo iyo cadaalad laakiin dhibka jiraa wuxuu yahey Soomaalida lama qancinkaro kuligood iskumar.

[Murax]

Somaliweyn,

Adna waad salaamantahay. About the differences between Shareef/AY, like I said their differences as "Induviduals" is between them and Allah I guess. I mean if one prays more than the other, or one is a nicer Guy than the other thats a different matter. As You said However they both pretty much have the same exact modus operandi to a T and for that as 'politicians' they're both the same to Me. What dissapointed Me though is AY at the end of the day You cannot question the transparency. You pretty much knew He was a hogaamiye kooxeed from the jump, and everybody knew what to expect from Him. On top of that You know I found out from something sinister from sources that were in every Transitional Somali Gov from Abdiqassims to Shareefs. None of these Guys wants to build Somali security forces Why? They think the miliatairy will run them out of power after any disagreement. Abdiqassin Salaad was content to just be a Cayr Hogaamiye When He was President. AY, ofcourse wanted to rely on foriegn troops, and Shareef is on the same road. He wants to surround Himself with warlords and AMISOM, while He's Had months to at the very least start an inititive to build a security force. What do all these Guys have in common? Their greed for money and lack of genuine interest in alleaviating Somalia's suffering. On the other hand You have all the Religious warlords and other groups barbarically fighting for that same privalage and the shacbi just sitting back and suffering. My final conclusion on Somalia is there is nobody daacad and really Has the interest of the people involved in these so called Governments.

[AbdiWahab252]

Murax,

Somalis are no longer in control of their destiny. All players are pawns in a greater game and are puppets to either Western Interests or Cave Dwelling Neanderthals.