Ahmed Gurey Versus Sayyid Mohamed Abdulle Hassan..Vote

[Queen_Arawello]

Based on the below 5 catagories state who you think qualifies to be the greatest of all, Gurey or Sayyidka

1.Leadership
2.Bravery
3.Patriosm
4.Genius
5.Creativity


I can't decide both are legends... Ahmed Gurey brought ethopia down its knees.He captured two-thirds of ethopia,defeated their portugeese counterparts and eliminated the imperialist king..but in all honesty I'd vote for Sayyid Mohammed Abdullah Hassan. He demonstrated courage,pride,and faith for the Somali people and for our land and religion.Inna Abdille Hassan was poet, patriot, revolutionary, and statesman who stood up our freedom and challenged the white and black invaders by fighting...in that he was one of the greatest of all.

Sayyidka was a man of vision, he was ahead of his time and no one at his time knew where he was going with his campaigns. The Somalis were mostly nomads and as nomads, they wanted life to be as simple as it can be. Sayyidka displayed vision that was unprecedented at his time and to fulfill his dream of free Somalia, he had to resort to questionable methods, which later has caused damage to his legacy. That is why we should cherish this man and everything he stood for.

[Queen_Arawello]

Those that are going to say Sayid Mohamed killed some somalis,yes he did kill some somalis but ask yourselfs this question, what kind of somalis were those? and why did he kill them?The Sayyid didn't discriminate traitors,and killed all regardless of their tribe.the people he killed the most were his own..

when the northern suldaans and northeaster kings were blindly obeying the italians and the british, sayid moxamed fully aware of their strategies and aim was waging a jihad against them.
the farthest thing from the truth is the fact that sayid killed people who just opposed him, queit contrary , he killed the guides the translators and the nomadic tribes who supported the emperialists stay in our country.

In essence Sayyid only killed those who were Kufaar lackeys and Gaalo's shoe polishers!

[Queen_Arawello]

this is arguably the most famous poem of Sayyid Mohammed Abdullah Hassan and its called "Koofil" ot Gorfield.

Adaa koofilow jiitayaan dunida joogeyne
Adigaa jidkii lagugu wadi jimic-la´aaneede
Jahannamo-la-geeyyow haddaad aakhiruu jahato;
Nimankii januu kacay war bay jirin ishaalleeye
jameecooyinkii iyo haddaad jowhart!i aragtid
Sida eebbahay kugu jirrabay mari jawaabteeda;
Daraawiish jikaar nagama dayn tan iyo jeerkii dheh
Ingiriis jabyoo waxaa ku dhacay jac iyo baaruud dheh
Waxay noo janjuunteenna waa jibashadiinii dheh;
Anigana jigray ila heleen shalay jahaadkii dheh
Jigta weerar bay goor barqo ah nagu jiteeyeen dheh
Jeeniga hortiisay rasaas igaga joojeen dheh;
Jiiraayaday ila dheceen jilic afkoodii dheh
Siday kuugu jeexeen magliga jararacdii sheego
Billawuhu siduu kuu jarjaray jeerarka u muuji;
Naf jeclaysigeed baan u iri jaaloow iga daa dheh
Jaljalleecadii baa wadnuhu jeebka soo ruqay dheh
Jeedaaladii baa indhuhu kor u jillaadmeen dheh;
Jimic kagama helin tuugmadaan jeriyey ruuxii dheh
Kolkaan juuq iraahdaba afkay iga jifeeyeen dheh
Dhaaxaan jaleecaye dheg baan jalaq la ii siin dheh
Goortaan jarreerona gefoo nolol ka jaanqaaday
Sida jananaddii hore tashigu igu jaguugnaa dheh
Taladii jinnigu ii hormaray jaasadeed helay dheh;
Jiidaha xanuunkq leh markii la igu jeeraarshay
Jibaadka iga soo baxay dadkii jiifka qaban waa dheh
Kolkay rubaddu jow!tiri or bay iga ag jiibsheen dhah;
Jiirkayga bahal baa cunoo jiitay hilibkii dheh
Jurmidiyo baruurtii dhurwaa jugux ka siiyaa dheh
Jiljillaadiyo seedaha tukay igaga jaadeen dheh;
Haddaan lays jikaareyn tolkay laga jilroonaa dheh
Waligoodba waa lagu jiraa jilibdhig duullaan dheh
Sayidkiina waa jibindhawgiyo jowda soo bixi dheh

[Queen_Arawello]

Gabaygan wuxuu Sayyidka tiriyey markii uu bixinaaye faraskii uu jeclaa oo la dhihi jiray Xiin- finiin. Xiinfiniin waxaa Sayidka waydiistay nin walaashiis markaas guursaday. Sayidka wuxuu gabayga ku amaanayaa Xiinfiniin, ka dibna wuxuu ka hadlayaa siduu u jecel yahay iyo sida uu qof kale usiiyeen.

Xayow Faaraxow hadal rag waa, loo xutubiyaaye
Nin xishood leh baan ahay haddaan, lay xistiyahayne
Xabiib baan ahaa jeer kufriga, laygu xaasidaye
Adna xaashi baad iila timid, xaakin soo diraye
Xaddigii adduunyada haddaad, xoolo iga dooni
Marna anigu kaama xistiyeen, xaalaad leedahaye
Inaan kuu xaf gooyaan jeclaa, geel xawaar badane
Kumanyaal xawaadaan lahaa, xawd u sii mariye
Markaad Xiin Finiin damacday baan, kaa xanuunsadaye
Walaalow xirgiga qaarkii waa, lagu xujoobaaye
Waxaan kugu xutubiyaaba waa, xuuradaan nahaye
Nin kalaan xafiilaba adaan, xaaydda kaa rogaye
Xigto iyo qaraabiyo hadduu, xidid i weydiisto
Xayow iyo qayumey haddii, la igu xoodaansho
Xubigayga kuma hayn inaan, xiisow bixiyaaye
Xamar weeye oo midab fardood, kala xariir roone
Xawaariyo kabtiyo raaxo iyo, xawli iyo jeefag
Xaggii loo eryaba waa gammaan, xulashadiisiye
Xubna-toosanlow neefku waa, xaalad gooniya e
Goortaan xusuus ula noqdaa, xiisa ii qabanne
Waxaan xarafka diimeed ahayn, igaga xeel dheere
Xarbaddiyo jihaadkaan lahaa, xoogsi ugu fuule
Usagaan xatooyada lahaa, xuurta ugu looge
Xiniinyaha ku goo baan lahaa, gaalka xaylka lehe
Xayskaa da'aayaan lahaa, Xalin ka dooyeeye
Xaqaygii maqnaa baan lahaa, xag ugu raacdeeye
Meesha iyo xeebtaan lahaa, xiito ka eryoode
Xujeyreebta reer Hagar anaan, xabashyadii ruubin
Xinjoortoda dhiigga leh haddaan, lagu xaraaraysan
Xaaqaamaquuqiyo haddaan, xaaluf laga yeelin
Xiddaysane ma dhiibeen anaan, xaaladday bogane
Xaaraami uun baa arlada, xula abiidkiise
Wuxuun bay xushleeyaan sidii, xabashi ******e
Aniguna xogtaydaan ka baqi, inay xumeeyaane
Xashaaliillahiye nin goba, xamasho waw ceebe
Goorteer anoo xaajiyaan, xinif awoodayne
Intii aniga lay xaman lahaa, xil iga soo meerye
Aduu galabta kuu xoolo yahay, xamarkii dheeraaye
Waa Xiin Finiin neefka aad, xarigga haysaaye
Xayawaanka oo idil naftey, kala xeraadaane
Mar hadduu suldaan igu xil lihi, igaga xayddaantay
Xadhigigiisa qabo aadmi kale, kuma xurmeeyeene.

[Faranacab]

Arawello,

Of course he was the best of all time without a doubt! He was an exceptional. He was one of the kind that Somalis will never have like him again. He was one chance for Somalia and the gift of God for somalis but we did not take advantage of that gift plus he was a head of his time like you said it already.

Bothere Labasuul,

Niyow raga gartooda looma diido. Sayid Mohammed Abdile Hassan gaalo ladagaalayey markey qaarkeen aabayaashoodna gaalada lashaqeenayeen, qaarna isdhiibeen he was promised lots of things by the gaalo but he turned it all down and choose freedom, I agree his army killed lots of somali people with him not knowing or knowing it, but that is not relevant here what I am trying to tell you is even during the Prophet (P.B.U.H) some Sahaba did not join the fight against kufaar and Allah called munaafiqiin, and you know what is munaaafiq so those people he killed were Somalis who refused to fight against kufaar and their reason were not munaaafiqnimo ee waxey ka aheyd Jaahilnimo. They used to say he wanted to become their king and they were not willing to accept. We also agree to lead them have had to show decisiveness and be firm so he did what he had to do, and he was fighting for Somali freedom which we ( Somais) got because of him, he opened our eyes, he educated us and he was one of his kind. Daraawiishta gave away their lives for you( as a Somali) to be here today as a free man( Somali) and you telling us( Arawello & I) not to mention their names or Sayid's name since some might not be happy with that cause of clan rivalry. It is so simple, I would like to suggest you to revisit the history and forget about qabiil, only if you want to know the truth. Besides, Sayidka might have killed more of his qabiil than other qabiils my grandfather could be one of those people whom darawiish killed and if you beleive English soldiers were defending you, you must think Americans are defending the Iraq people, wake up brother you are in deep sleep, read your Quran, the Quran tells you that no kaaafir will ever think of your welfare... peace

[hanqadh]

theirs more information on sayid mohamed than axmed gurey however they both failed in the end to achieve their desired objective's.
their are many false claims made about the sayid to tarnish his reputation, alot made after his death, all in all he was a great man. His simple wish was
leave my country so i can rule it myself, what he did after this was denied is all warranted.

[hanqadh]

cumar you have a very basic understanding of the sayid .....welcome to the 19th century we're qabiil was politics, it was normal to refer to qabiil. the sayid was waging a jihad, a legitimate one rather towards a foreighn occupier, the very power which destroyed the islamic caliphate and was in the process of handing palestine to the zionist and dividing muslim lands. He attacked the british and their loyal followers, whats wrong with that? he didnt pick and choose who to attack, he attacked his own clan many times...it came down to simple logic, their is an external power among us lets defeat it, you dont have to hold a view on that, its paramount that you heed that call.

[Cumar-Labasuul]

Hanqadh it still doens't justify the innocent somalis he killed just because they disagreed with him. Correct if I am wrong but a man I knew told me that the sayid(AUN) killed a Sheikh from koonfur just because he didn't follow the same sect of sunni as the sayid(AUN).

[hanqadh]

shekh uweys and sayid mohamed we're political opponents, one opted that the british and foreighn entities should be fought through force , the other through words, to add to this one followed the salihiya sufi sect, the other the qadriya sufi sect both sunni, uweys was under-cutting alot of the sayids support especially with plans to push to the south....hence a clash was never out of question, in the end it was simple politics in my books.

[Somaliman50]

Axmad Gurey wasn't OG if thats what your trying to propagate

Btw, of course the Imam wins without a doubt. With all due respect to the Sayyid who was genuinely against the imperialists, the Imam united more or less all Somali's against our common enemy under Islam.

[Somaliman50]

Btw, did you guys know that the Dervishes had followers in Banaadir? I will post a thread about the Dervish presence in Banaadir during the colonial period in this section soon.

[Ducaysane_87]

Axmad Gurey wasn't OG if thats what your trying to propagate

Btw, of course the Imam wins without a doubt. With all due respect to the Sayyid who was genuinely against the imperialists, the Imam united more or less all Somali's against our common enemy under Islam.

Ahmed Guray was the best hero in somali history he united mostly all muslims in the east africa against the habashi's christian Emperire - while the Sayyid had mostly Dhulabahnte fights and few other followers - how you can compare a man who united almost all muslims in east africa - against a man who managed only to take some clans with him in the war against imperialists -

[hanqadh]

sayid mohamed abdille had followers from every somali clan, dhulbahante, ogaden, warsengali, majeerteen, hawiye, even oromo as abakar mentioned he even had followers to the south with his plans to engage with the italians.

he had 60,000 troops thats the same as barre's army in 77.

[Faranacab]

Farancab

Sxb stop beating about the bush, we both know that there was a lot of stuff ina Abdalle Hassan(AUN) did that he wouldn't be proud of so stop making him out to be a saint which he wasn't. The hadith I mentioned shows that somalis - now and back then including sayid(AUN) - kill each other for meaningless things. Also killing someone just because he disagrees with your views isn't justified and I don't condone that. As for the Sayid's gabays most if not all of them were praising clans or bashing clans and that(qabiil) isn't what someone who is a holy man get's into.

As for my opinon of the man he wasn't a hero in my eyes so lets leave it at that. For me somali people that I admire were the SYL who fought for indepence, the SNL and USP and people like Adan Cadde(AUN), Abdirashid Sharmarke(AUN), Maxamed Ibrahim Cigaal(AUN) and Abdillahi Ciise(AUN).

Like it or not Ina Abdulle Hassan was one chance for Somalia and the gift of God for all somalis.

[Somaliman50]

Hanqadh, do you know what the best thing about the Sayyid is? He did not give two cents about his clan, a character rarely seen in your average Somali today.

And he represents the true Somali i.e being a poet, a scholar and an anti colonialist nomadic warrior. Indeed AUN to the Sayyid