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Is Sland Nearing Civil War?

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Awdal regions do not support sland and infact support somalia. They were forced to sign sland agreement in 91 at the point of a gun, you probably should go read about that. Secondly rayale is going to post-pone the elections again because he bribed the guurti to re-write the constitution so he can never leave power.

Lastly there is fighting in sland every-day...here reported by garowe online read below
Somalia: Businessman 'imports weapons' into Somaliland
9 Jun 9, 2009 - 1:43:52 PM

HARGEISA, Somalia June 9 (Garowe Online) - A cache of weapons docked at a small harbor in Zeila, a coastal town in Somalia's breakaway republic of Somaliland, Radio Garowe reports Tuesday.

Somaliland newspapers printed headlines that the weapons were secretly unloaded at Zeila harbor and transported by road south to Borama, the home town of Somaliland President Dahir Riyale near the Ethiopian border.

Somaliland authorities have not spoken publicly about media reports that weapons were secretly imported, but confidential sources in Hargeisa said the weapons were bought in Yemen by a Borama businessman.

The arrival of the weapons shipment comes a week after two warring clans in Somaliland who traditionally inhabit the towns of Borama and Gabiley disagreed over mediation efforts, with the clan in Borama reportedly rejecting a peace proposal.

Somaliland, located in northwestern Somalia, unilaterally declared independence from Somalia in 1991 but has not been recognized internationally.

Source: Garowe Online
Reference Link:http://www.garoweonline.com/artman2/pub ... land.shtml

This story is also confirmed to be true by united nations
A shipment of weapons (reserve of small arms) has reportedly been docked at a harbor in
Zeylac. This comes in comes in a week after two warring clans in Somaliland reportedly
disagreed with current mediation efforts and rejected a peace proposal.26 (9 Jun)
Source Link: http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cach ... l=en&gl=au

So please don't respond and say garowe online is lying because the united nations also confirmed garowe online. If garowe online is lying, so is the united nations which represents 300 nations. Are u going to say 300 nations are lying? :mrgreen:

So address the issue. By the way garowe online is very factual organization, one of my trusted news-agency because it speaks on facts not myths. And whenever i read something from there i always find verification from indepedent agencies. I can not say the same for sland because i have caught them lying and can prove it so many times that it is joke now and i don't bother reading their material nor does any united nations ever confirm sland news stories because they lie to much but garowe online is always confirmed as trustworthy by united nation because its professional reporting.

Point is sland is at war, what are u going to do about it?
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Point is sland is at war, what are u going to do about it?
sacrifice few majerteens on the rocks of lasscanood that's good diversion, :twisted:
uniting point of our country :sland: :sland: .
puntland state is the target, while somalya is unstable we will take advantage :twisted: and abuse :twisted: and use majerteen :twisted: , later on hawiye wont mind few kill majerteen it will be counted as just numbers :mrgreen: and wont get any attention :mrgreen: , the talking :idea: point will be how to squeezed majerteen :idea: until they burst like a balloon :twisted: :up: ,
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Malmahan you think it's funny? weapons are entering thru zeila for the samaroon clan? what is isaaq going to do? rayale is bribing the guurti so he can never leave power which is reported by secular reporter. U can view that below
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/corrupt- ... uurti.html

Marka your in trouble son? awdal clan smuggle in weapons...guurti bribed...4 elections post-poned already...what do you have to say for yourself?
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bla bla and wishful hypothesis wont get you no where, dude facts are facts...like they say.. charity begins at home, so my dear dhabayco boi why don't you go and unite Gaalkacayo....horta..then we can have serious discussions :lol:
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watch the end of the video fool next target for somaliland. :up

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we can solve our problems


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Malmaha everything sland post is never verified by indepedent research facilities...marka that just proves noone in the world takes serious your materials and why should I?

Goljano, galkacyo has had peace treaty with the habar gedir clan elders since 93. If they choose that their authority comes from ahlul sunnah wal jamacah that is choice they will have to make for themselves. However our peace-deal was with the clan-elders and therefore Puntland will discuss with Habar gedir clan elders.

Habar gedir clan-elders have still not told us if they want galmudug or ahlul sunnah, when they reply back we will support them because of the ceasefire agreement. Don't worry about us we know how to live with ppl. But obviously u can't you forced samaroon ppl to sign the treaty of 91 which none of them wanted to and that is why rayale is setting up regime to get revenge for the past wrongs.

Puntland has ceasefire and conditions which is clearly viewable for all to read online, we don't hide anything because we are honest ppl and that is why America supports us and hates sland. Qofka saxsan waxaa kala saareyo waa ajnabida. Because the foreigners hold no bias towards any party and are neutral.

But south-galkacyo clan-elders we hold respect for, they signed the agreement in 93 and so did puntland and there has been no problems ever since. Now Ahlul sunnah wal jama'ah took over, we have asked the clan-elders of south galkacyo if they need help because our agreements in the treaty is clear to help each party when under attack. So it's up for clan-elders to decide, but they have said they do not want to see galkacyo become blood-bath like hamar and we respect their decisions. Puntland keeps its word sxb we don't change our shaati daily like sland. Abdullahi Yusuf may be the most hated man in somalia but all somalis knew what abdullahi yusuf policy was and he never changed his policy like sharif does.

All ppl know were they stand with puntland for good or for bad.
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while puntland and somaliland are squabbling, alshabab will emerge from no-where and take power. just like the warlords in the south of somalia and in afghanistan.
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Osman-NZ wrote:Malmaha everything sland post is never verified by indepedent research facilities...marka that just proves noone in the world takes serious your materials and why should I?

Goljano, galkacyo has had peace treaty with the habar gedir clan elders since 93. If they choose that their authority comes from ahlul sunnah wal jamacah that is choice they will have to make for themselves. However our peace-deal was with the clan-elders and therefore Puntland will discuss with Habar gedir clan elders.

Habar gedir clan-elders have still not told us if they want galmudug or ahlul sunnah, when they reply back we will support them because of the ceasefire agreement. Don't worry about us we know how to live with ppl. But obviously u can't you forced samaroon ppl to sign the treaty of 91 which none of them wanted to and that is why rayale is setting up regime to get revenge for the past wrong
s.

Puntland has ceasefire and conditions which is clearly viewable for all to read online, we don't hide anything because we are honest ppl and that is why America supports us and hates sland. Qofka saxsan waxaa kala saareyo waa ajnabida. Because the foreigners hold no bias towards any party and are neutral.

But south-galkacyo clan-elders we hold respect for, they signed the agreement in 93 and so did puntland and there has been no problems ever since. Now Ahlul sunnah wal jama'ah took over, we have asked the clan-elders of south galkacyo if they need help because our agreements in the treaty is clear to help each party when under attack. So it's up for clan-elders to decide, but they have said they do not want to see galkacyo become blood-bath like hamar and we respect their decisions. Puntland keeps its word sxb we don't change our shaati daily like sland. Abdullahi Yusuf may be the most hated man in somalia but all somalis knew what abdullahi yusuf policy was and he never changed his policy like sharif does.

All ppl know were they stand with puntland for good or for bad.

you see you are contradicting yourself how can a small tuulo like galkacyo have two different administrations and authorities
"Galmudug, is a secular, decentralized state in the central region of Somalia. The administrative capital, South Galcayo, is based in the southern half of the city and district of Gaalkacyo"

YOU SAID galkacyo has had peace treaty with the habar gedir clan elders since 93.

'"Galmudug was established on August 14, 2006 by the Sacad Sub-clans, Reer Hilowle, reer Jalaf, Reer Nimcaale. Reer Ayaanle. Indha-yar and all other Sacad sub-clans elders in Galkacyo District. Mohamed Warsame Ali 'Kiimiko' was elected Presiden"
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Goljano obviously u don't history at all...The peace treaty that was signed by mjs and habar gedir was in 93 between clan-elders...the puntlan and galmudug administrations uphold those clan-elders peace treaty. But you have no clue what u r talking about. U don't even know that traditional leaders signatures are upheld in puntland and galmudug administrations.

Just like the fathers of america bill of rights is upheld in the congress today. So to is the case with the clan elders of 93 their peace treaty is upheld and enforce and recognized by puntland and galmudug administrations.

And if u want to talk about tuulos..i can prove that isaaq is 1.1 million and mj one subclan of darod is 865 000 using united nations development census. Sxb on top of that i can use undp census along with ethiopia census to prove darod is 5 times bigger then hawiye. Just using these recognized research facilities. Anyways all those threads are up in the clan politics sections.


the whole galbeed is 700 000 sxb...hargeisa is 300 000..not ur fake sland census but real world united nation census...but like i said the whole isaaq is compared to mj size..u don't even compare to darod size..harti size when added up using the undp figures is more then isaaq. so we can't even compare ur ppl to harti but comparisons are made between mj size and isaaq size.

Lastly the argument isaaq use about western somalia being heavily populated has been debunked using census by united nations. If u dont respect united nations census then you are out of your mind and noone needs to discuss with you any further.
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Osman-NZ wrote:Goljano obviously u don't history at all...The peace treaty that was signed by mjs and habar gedir was in 93 between clan-elders...the puntlan and galmudug administrations uphold those clan-elders peace treaty. But you have no clue what u r talking about. U don't even know that traditional leaders signatures are upheld in puntland and galmudug administrations.

Just like the fathers of america bill of rights is upheld in the congress today. So to is the case with the clan elders of 93 their peace treaty is upheld and enforce and recognized by puntland and galmudug administrations.

And if u want to talk about tuulos..i can prove that isaaq is 1.1 million and mj one subclan of darod is 865 000 using united nations development census. Sxb on top of that i can use undp census along with ethiopia census to prove darod is 5 times bigger then hawiye. Just using these recognized research facilities. Anyways all those threads are up in the clan politics sections.


the whole galbeed is 700 000 sxb...hargeisa is 300 000..not ur fake sland census but real world united nation census...but like i said the whole isaaq is compared to mj size..u don't even compare to darod size..harti size when added up using the undp figures is more then isaaq. so we can't even compare ur ppl to harti but comparisons are made between mj size and isaaq size.

Lastly the argument isaaq use about western somalia being heavily populated has been debunked using census by united nations. If u dont respect united nations census then you are out of your mind and noone needs to discuss with you any further.

Are you telling us dhabayco mythology, c,mon be serious , waryaa you are just making broads assumptions , either you brings facts or iska amuus. The chance of your khayali sheeko being true in any way is about the same for you can force the loch ness monster not to eat your friends, it is a fact Galkacayo tuulo comes under two different administration, don't bring this nonsense , we had a treaty with Hawiyee so the city can be divided into two, what a lame excuse, why don't you just admit and say, .........we don't have the balls to take southern gaalkacayo and be honest with yourselves. the difference between you and me is the that i am stating facts while you telling us dhabayco mythology. look at this due ehe he is hiding behind we had a treaty with Hawiye elders, we all know southern Gaalkacayo is the new capital of Galmudug state, waryaa just proof me wrong
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do i have to wait you another 30 minutes to response? dude you are two slow
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I am out ..... i will have respect for dhabayacos the day Gaalkacayo comes under puntland authorities , since then your lil two tuulo( garowe and Bosaaso) cant be viable state
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Osman-NZ aka cuamsno aka cardiff girl aka lali aka advo... :lol:

Forget about somaliland..you really spend to much time on here trying ti undermine the great state :roll:
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Goljano, we have an understanding between habar gedir and majeerteen clan elders. Are we going to ruin that agreement that has worked for over 15 years. Hell to motherfucking no. As far as south galkacyo, they have lived there throughout history and we have no place to change history. But just don't cross into our zone because we will defend it as was the case when the usc tried to take all galkacyo under caydid. They felt one of the most historic karbashes in somali civil war.

We do not cross that green zone, we ask our neighbours not to cross it either. That's pretty much it. We have proven in history we will stand our ground when u start entering into our traditional areas. As far as mogadishu and kismayo lets be honest for one second...d-block never used to live there and we invaded there and still invading there and taking more land. We used to rule different clans in their own home-land, but never have they ruled us in our homeland.

As for isaaq. somaliland times reported in 2003 december that all isaaq sent ther reinforcement to defend sool and sanaag from Abdullah yusuf forces. Sland militia lost sool and sanaag and parts of togdheer within 1 week and suffered heavy casulties. From 2003 till 2007 all isaaq could do is few over the border attacks which was quickly silenced with puntland force.

Abdullahi yusuf even said he could take all sanaag including el-afweyn which he didn't because he respects tribal boundaries, as the whole world respects ethnic and religious boundaries. Fast forward to 2007 sland defeated puntland in sool and sanaag because puntland was in hamar with abdullahi yusuf taking care of hawiye business which was alot more important for us then our beef with isaaq. The weak sland milita saw puntland forces weren't protecting sool and sanaag and were busy in hamar and decided to attack. They used inside sources like xabsade to tell them about puntland bases so they can defeat the half-manned puntland soldiers.

That is how isaaq won against puntland, they won because puntland was in the south and was half manned. and they also still needed local spies to tell them where puntland bases were. So Sland forces only proved they can beat puntland when puntland is half-manned and require local spies. Where-as puntland proved in 2003 that it can defeat all sland army without the help of local spies. Dhulos weren't even involved and were against puntland entering at first. lol But we still kicked isaaq ass all over the place.

Now if u think sland didn't send reinforcements and was busy with elections as slanders love to claim. The united nation never such thing and refutes that idea.
While the security situation in the north has been generally quiet, security
phase 4 is still in effect, in part because of attacks on aid workers in 2004. However,
the continued confrontation between “Somaliland” and “Puntland” over control of
the Sool and Sanaag regions remains a serious concern. Although both sides have
deployed troops in the area since December 2002, there had been few armed clashes
until November 2004, when several men from both sides were killed in a clash near
Las Anod. The two sides sent reinforcements to the area and their rhetoric suggested
that a serious confrontation was imminent. Confrontation was however averted
following diplomatic efforts and the intervention of traditional leaders. A long-term
solution has not been found, and the two sides continue to deploy troops in the area.
Source:http://www.un-somalia.org/docs/N0524088_s_2005_89.pdf

You can find the above mentioned quote in that link above, it is in the sub-section "security" and it numbered as point "29"...so you can verify all i have claimed to be true and provided indepedent sources to confirm it, i can also find sland sources to show u all sland troops were present.

In 2002-2004 sland n puntland forces were all present and prepared for war. We saw who won that war, because Puntland took sool and sanaag and parts of togdheer very quickly and remained there till 2007 as the boss. Now when sland attacked sool in 2007 they knew full well puntland was half-manned and they were mainly in hamar following abdullahi yusuf revenge "model" on usc clans-men for 91 attacks against darod.

Sland only beat puntland because puntland was in the south, i don't even need to provide a reference because all somalis know that puntland forces were in hamar with abdullahi yusuf and even u know that. It is common knowledge. So sland defeated puntland when puntland was half-manned and also required dhulos spies.

Puntland defeated sland when they were all armed to the teeth and ready. So posting pictures of sland army parading, and weapons won't help sland pathetic army. It is proven in the past puntland can kick their ass if we want. And we can do it easily again because it took 1 week last time.

So don't u dare ever think sland is stronger, you are stronger when puntland is busy in the south. We proved we are stronger in 2003 when both forces clashed and both forces sent reinforcements. We know who won and we know who is stronger when it comes to 1 on 1 full forces of puntland and full forces of sland.

So u can degrade puntland all u want but u can never change that solid fact you lost against us so if sland is so good why u lose?...so don't let me continue this karbash with facts because like i said u will leave knowing ur just a bitch.
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Xamari_76 wrote:Osman-NZ aka cuamsno aka cardiff girl aka lali aka advo... :lol:

Forget about somaliland..you really spend to much time on here trying ti undermine the great state :roll:
I only have 2 names. Cusmano which was banned. And Osman-Nz...i don't go around having different nicks, i come here for 1 purpose only to correct myths and set the record straight with facts. Not youtube links which your snm clan family can provide but i provideh hard factual data from u.n research facilities, ngo's, relief agencies, indepedent reporting agencies, etc.

Xamari do u just want to live in lie? why you fear the truth to get out? i just set the record straight with credible references from internationally respected organizations. If u don't respect those organizations and respect youtube reporter...i can't help u and i suggest u live in your snm dream. But like i said anytime u want to see how your sland media can be refuted and i can show u evidence where they lie many times using international agencies data. Come n see me. But till then don't hate for the sake of hating.

It's like convincing a child "santa claus doesn't exist" and that child is persistent on believing "santa claus" exists. That is what it is like talking to u snm ppl, u come to snet with snm propaganda which i already have shown many times is nothing but lies and hogwash.
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