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Until recently this off shoot of lowest class of sweepers ha

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Jabarti
Until recently this off shoot of lowest class of sweepers have become extinct. Living in one area, the regime through the ruling machinery which included the municipalities, would divide them into groups. In the past they used to appear late hours at night going from house to house cleaning the "zawali" (latrines). They used to be seen carrying their tin canisters on their head with a bent iron strip used for collecting wastes from unpopulated areas where 'homeless' used to go for toilet. These jabartis are not seen in many areas as most of them are believed to have immigrated.

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Thank you i have that article. Firstly...let me respond with facts. This jabarti has become extinct? Do u know what extinct means? It means no longer in existence. So if those jabartis have ceased to exist, how can u say we are from those jabartis? shouldn't we be ceasing to exist?

Really stupid...richard burton even refuted this when he used to hear the isaaq tell him about that slander myth of darod in his book first footsteps in east africa...he said it was made up by enemy clans to link darods to jabarti street sweepers in yemen out of hatred not out of factual information. Burton even said he couldn't deny the strong evidences available for darod origin from being banu hashim and sufi sheikh saint from the old town of jabarta(zabid) today.
Infact he pointed out in his book he doubted isaaqs heritage and i'll tell u why after i finish explaining our origin.

Infact university scholars today even dont deny that is the case because their is 8th century documentation regarding our ancestor and his nobility among zabid city in yemen which was religious capital of arabia at that time.

Its like saying just because someone is called "john" that means the "john in america" and the "john in ghana" are the same ppl. Lol...war waxaan caqli xumo baan ku nacey...wallahi they are not even worth debating...i might take your advice gemini..

Ps: scholars in universities clearly know the strong historical evidence available for darod especially his father ismail is undeniable by any rational thinking person.

You can read I.M lewis confirms that sheikh darod was known among the early muslim records...His father is buried in zabid yemen. His father had many sons and it's documented they went and occupied the horn of africa. Not just Somalia, but Eritrea, Sudan, Ethiopia, these other jabartis were born from sheikh ismail other sons.We the somali descedants however are born from the abdirahman one of sheikh ismail son. This Abdirahman became (darod)

Confirmation of this is in aqeeliyon an 8th century documentation. Mentioned in the book of...a b I.M. Lewis, A Modern History of the Somali, fourth edition (Oxford: James Currey, 2002), p. 22

Secondly Darod is buried in somalia in haylaan, we all know this. And his Father is buried in zabid yemen. Everyone knows his father had many sons of whom one was named abdi-rahman. Many of his son left to occupy the horn and this all mentioned in 8th century documentation. It's pretty hard to forge that. We got darod grave, his father grave, 8th century documentation..and modern historian confirmation by professor I.M Lewis.

Only stupid person can doubt darod origin. No islamic or oxford university scholar denies darod, only the khat chewing losers do.

Sxb we are not like u isaaqs noone knows where isaaq father is buried..no modern confirmation of having son going to africa, noone has anything..u say isaaq is buried in maydh but where is his father buried noone knows..and on top of that did isaaq father only have 1 son who left to somalia, where are his other sons...cajiib...what a fockin mess u guys r in...and to make matters worse u need to establish that isaaq father sent his son to africa...

And then u need to prove how can mahe dir have sons named exactly the same name which isaaq sub-clans are named. Mahe dir had tol jeclo, habar yonis, habar awal, arap, and all the sub-clans u are divided in today. So u will also need to prove is that just coincidence to have all ur sub clan family names match 100% the sub-clan family names of mahe dir who had son named "isaaq" and that son had "further sons named tol jeclo, habar yonis, habar awal, etc"..

Like i said there is great saying in somalia..."somaliduu wa dir iyo darod" get the message...it has truth behind it. :mrgreen:
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Somalida waxay ku maah-maahdaa " God dheer haqodin ku dhacdaaye ma ogidee".

Let that be a losson for you in the future. :|
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Zinji...these idors are dumb man...they want to say we are from jabarti sweep cleaners and then they will jabarti ceased to exist. But we are still here so how can we have stop to exist? its f-king stupid...On top of that all the ppl of jabarta were called jabarti as recognition they were from that town. It was sufi capital. Like u have ppl called al baghdadi...

Say their is someone called jabartis in yemen and jabartis in america..does that mean they are same jabartis?....for example i know a man named george habash a palestinian freedom fighter..he is arab...but because his name is habesh, this idor will say he is from ethiopia.. :mrgreen:

On top of that how can u refute 8th century documentation from islamic historians? that name the sheikh, his children and also were they went...on top of that u have archaelogical evidence to refute also...because we have darod grave in haylaan, and we have his father in zabid yemen...When u had all these evidence together the historical evidence is overwhelming and that is why oxford professor has no choice but to accept that darod is from banu hashim.

Don't worry bro we know who we are, let him figure out who he is..isaaq evidence? nilch, zero...infact they have evidence against them...because of mahe dir who had a son named isaaq and that isaaq had all the sub-clans of current day isaaq...how can they get around that? That is why noone ever trusted isaaq heritage...nor do any scholar confirm their history because they have evidence against them from dir tribal lineages.

On top of that all they have is grave for isaaq guy in maydh...noone knows where his isaaq father grave is, noone knows if his father ever sent a son to africa, noone knows if isaaq father had other sons whom would be isaaq brothers...their is complete blank...

Isaaq heritage is not even questioned anymore sxb, that is why the tfg designated them "dir" because the evidence of isaaq being from arab is not substianated by any historian. Only these isaaq ppl say that. However their dir lineage we do have evidence for and that is why they called "dir" under the tfg.

So it's not really even debated anymore, isaaq is dir clear, cutt, and dry...and now they are so ashamed of themselves that ppl have caught them in another lie and propaganda they want to mock other tribes so they can bring them down with them. Sorry but not Darod every historian is against u, historical document against, even richard burton against u, oxford and also early islamic records against u...plus archalogical evidence of sheikh ismail grave in zabid is against u...

Never try that shit here, just because ur ancestors are ashamed of themselves and their history, dont try to stain the noble darod clan with ur shame.

PS: zinji the isaaq started claiming arab because maseer darood ba haayo. Nothing else bro. Changing identities wont make u respected my friends, infact u r more disrespected because u r ashamed of yourself. Don't spread ur virus of self-hatred to us.
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Zinji qabiil oo dhan sidan samey jirey maxaad ka sugi?

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Source:British Somaliland, by Ralph E. Drake-Brockman, 1912

Whilst darod clans of mj, warsans, marehan, ogadens, leelkase, sacad, and habar yonis are the only clans reported in recieving compensation for the heavy fighting they did against the colonizers. Notice how only 1 sub-clan of isaaq and 1 sub-clan of hawiye only fought and died for somali-nimo against invaders? whilst all d-block tribes fought and died for somalinimo. Whilst 90% of hawiye and isaaq bowed down without a fight and allowed to be conquered..

You can confirm the document at the united nation treaty.
http://untreaty.un.org/unts/60001_12000 ... 033833.pdf

Ps: Zenji the days of cafe-talking are over. Hard-core historical facts ayaa kala saareyo qofka fican iyo qofka xun.
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LoL sxb, Sidaa meesha ugu so laabatayba shib baa ka soo haray badankood ( if not all ).

P's: waa runtaa dadka markay isqabtaan waxa kala saaro waa caddayn/xaqiiq(proof/fact).
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Osmon, I didnt read what you wrote....but you my friend earned my respect wallahi! :lol: :lol: :up:
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Osman-NZ wrote:Thank you i have that article. Firstly...let me respond with facts. This jabarti has become extinct? Do u know what extinct means? It means no longer in existence. So if those jabartis have ceased to exist, how can u say we are from those jabartis? shouldn't we be ceasing to exist?

Really stupid...richard burton even refuted this when he used to hear the isaaq tell him about that slander myth of darod in his book first footsteps in east africa...he said it was made up by enemy clans to link darods to jabarti street sweepers in yemen out of hatred not out of factual information. Burton even said he couldn't deny the strong evidences available for darod origin from being banu hashim and sufi sheikh saint from the old town of jabarta(zabid) today.
Infact he pointed out in his book he doubted isaaqs heritage and i'll tell u why after i finish explaining our origin.

Infact university scholars today even dont deny that is the case because their is 8th century documentation regarding our ancestor and his nobility among zabid city in yemen which was religious capital of arabia at that time.

Its like saying just because someone is called "john" that means the "john in america" and the "john in ghana" are the same ppl. Lol...war waxaan caqli xumo baan ku nacey...wallahi they are not even worth debating...i might take your advice gemini..

Ps: scholars in universities clearly know the strong historical evidence available for darod especially his father ismail is undeniable by any rational thinking person.

You can read I.M lewis confirms that sheikh darod was known among the early muslim records...His father is buried in zabid yemen. His father had many sons and it's documented they went and occupied the horn of africa. Not just Somalia, but Eritrea, Sudan, Ethiopia, these other jabartis were born from sheikh ismail other sons.We the somali descedants however are born from the abdirahman one of sheikh ismail son. This Abdirahman became (darod)

Confirmation of this is in aqeeliyon an 8th century documentation. Mentioned in the book of...a b I.M. Lewis, A Modern History of the Somali, fourth edition (Oxford: James Currey, 2002), p. 22

Secondly Darod is buried in somalia in haylaan, we all know this. And his Father is buried in zabid yemen. Everyone knows his father had many sons of whom one was named abdi-rahman. Many of his son left to occupy the horn and this all mentioned in 8th century documentation. It's pretty hard to forge that. We got darod grave, his father grave, 8th century documentation..and modern historian confirmation by professor I.M Lewis.

Only stupid person can doubt darod origin. No islamic or oxford university scholar denies darod, only the khat chewing losers do.

Sxb we are not like u isaaqs noone knows where isaaq father is buried..no modern confirmation of having son going to africa, noone has anything..u say isaaq is buried in maydh but where is his father buried noone knows..and on top of that did isaaq father only have 1 son who left to somalia, where are his other sons...cajiib...what a fockin mess u guys r in...and to make matters worse u need to establish that isaaq father sent his son to africa...

And then u need to prove how can mahe dir have sons named exactly the same name which isaaq sub-clans are named. Mahe dir had tol jeclo, habar yonis, habar awal, arap, and all the sub-clans u are divided in today. So u will also need to prove is that just coincidence to have all ur sub clan family names match 100% the sub-clan family names of mahe dir who had son named "isaaq" and that son had "further sons named tol jeclo, habar yonis, habar awal, etc"..

Like i said there is great saying in somalia..."somaliduu wa dir iyo darod" get the message...it has truth behind it. :mrgreen:
lool..keep educating this monkey bro :up: :up:
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