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I got 2 questions about Islam, who can help me..
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:33 am
by Cinque Mtume
I was at loggerheads with someone over a few issues about our deen and I think you could help me, b/c I tried google, but I can't find the sources to back up my arguments.
1st question: How many times a day did Nebi Maxamed saw pray daily?
Because from what I gathered before it was around an impressive 60 something times a day.
2nd question: What did Nebi Maxamed saw about the term Arab?
Didn't the prophet saw embrace all people that spoke Arabic as fellow Arabs. I thought he stated once that everyone who speaks Arabic is an Arab and thus why all Arabs will tell you that it's the language that unites them, not their genetic make up.
If you guys could help me with this, it would be really great, Jazakallah kheir.
Re: I got 2 questions about Islam, who can help me..
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:11 am
by Grunt
Cinque Mtume wrote:2nd question: What did Nebi Maxamed saw about the term Arab?
Didn't the prophet saw embrace all people that spoke Arabic as fellow Arabs. I thought he stated once that everyone who speaks Arabic is an Arab and thus why all Arabs will tell you that it's the language that unites them, not their genetic make up.
The prophet (salalaahu calayhi wasalam) said an Arab isn't better than non-Arab and a white isn't better than black. He stressed that the only criterion that makes one better than the other is taqwa.
Re: I got 2 questions about Islam, who can help me..
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:15 am
by Murax
Yes the Prophet SAW said "Al Arabu Lisaan" (To be Arab is to speak it). This worked great for Arabs and took them from ridiculously langaab people consisting of just a few tribes in the Arabian Peninsula, to a ridiculously langaab nation stretching from Morroco on the Atlantic Ocean to the Persian Gulf, and North to Iraq. I learned Arabic as I lived in the Middle East for a bit, and even now When I speak Arabic to a Arab they just view You as an Arab, especially When Somalia is viewed as a Arab Nation in Middle Easter Schools. Maybe Zoomalis can learn something and put all their reer baadiye qabil shid to the side.

Re: I got 2 questions about Islam, who can help me..
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:30 am
by FAH1223
Murax wrote:Yes the Prophet SAW said "Al Arabu Lisaan" (To be Arab is to speak it). This worked great for Arabs and took them from ridiculously langaab people consisting of just a few tribes in the Arabian Peninsula, to
a ridiculously langaab nation stretching from Morroco on the Atlantic Ocean to the Persian Gulf, and North to Iraq. I learned Arabic as I lived in the Middle East for a bit, and even now When I speak Arabic to a Arab they just view You as an Arab, especially When Somalia is viewed as a Arab Nation in Middle Easter Schools. Maybe Zoomalis can learn something and put all their reer baadiye qabil shid to the side.

Laandhere
ignorant ali husayn doqon

Re: I got 2 questions about Islam, who can help me..
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:15 pm
by Cinque Mtume
Thanks a lot Murax!
Btw, what do you know of the amount of times the prophet saw prayed daily?
Re: I got 2 questions about Islam, who can help me..
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:18 pm
by Ghazi
Grunt wrote:Cinque Mtume wrote:2nd question: What did Nebi Maxamed saw about the term Arab?
Didn't the prophet saw embrace all people that spoke Arabic as fellow Arabs. I thought he stated once that everyone who speaks Arabic is an Arab and thus why all Arabs will tell you that it's the language that unites them, not their genetic make up.
The prophet (salalaahu calayhi wasalam) said an Arab isn't better than non-Arab and a white isn't better than black. He stressed that the only criterion that makes one better than the other is taqwa.
Wrong.
If the Prophet's lineage is noble, then Arab lineage is noble to an extent because the Prophet is ultimately from the same stock as Banu Isma'il. The rest of them are not as noble as Quraysh and Banu Hashim, but more noble than all other non-Isma'ilite groups.
No language is not the only criteria. The main indicator is your paternal descent.
Re: I got 2 questions about Islam, who can help me..
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:23 pm
by FAH1223
Ghazi wrote:Grunt wrote:Cinque Mtume wrote:2nd question: What did Nebi Maxamed saw about the term Arab?
Didn't the prophet saw embrace all people that spoke Arabic as fellow Arabs. I thought he stated once that everyone who speaks Arabic is an Arab and thus why all Arabs will tell you that it's the language that unites them, not their genetic make up.
The prophet (salalaahu calayhi wasalam) said an Arab isn't better than non-Arab and a white isn't better than black. He stressed that the only criterion that makes one better than the other is taqwa.
Wrong.
If the Prophet's lineage is noble, then Arab lineage is noble to an extent because the Prophet is ultimately from the same stock as Banu Isma'il. The rest of them are not as noble as Quraysh and Banu Hashim, but more noble than all other non-Isma'ilite groups.
No language is not the only criteria. The main indicator is your paternal descent.
Whoever speaks Arabic is an Arab.
Thats what Nabi SAW said.
Re: I got 2 questions about Islam, who can help me..
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:28 pm
by Ghazi
FAH1223 wrote:
Whoever speaks Arabic is an Arab.
Thats what Nabi SAW said.
They are Arab but there is no merit to their lineage and they are not istafa (made the best of) above all others.
Only those of Isma'ilite descent are inherently superior by virtue of their lineage.
Re: I got 2 questions about Islam, who can help me..
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:31 pm
by FAH1223
Ghazi wrote:FAH1223 wrote:
Whoever speaks Arabic is an Arab.
Thats what Nabi SAW said.
They are Arab but there is no merit to their lineage and they are not istafa (made the best of) above all others.
Only those of Isma'ilite descent are inherently superior by virtue of their lineage.
SUPERIOR IN WHAT?
Nobility? Dude, even the Prophet said the only ones who are superior are by taqwa not race... and that includes class
Re: I got 2 questions about Islam, who can help me..
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:31 pm
by SahanGalbeed
War xabad dheg cas ah oo intey soo gasho meel ay somali joogto , tidhah waxano kale hore loo ma arag e , ha u bixina , dembigiina na yaraysta oo aqligiina isticmaala .
Xoolo kolba dhinac loo jeediyo bu idiin haysta ninkani , hooyadina sport ba la odhan jiray oo isga inoo sheegay ..markaa

Re: I got 2 questions about Islam, who can help me..
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:36 pm
by Ghazi
FAH1223 wrote:Ghazi wrote:FAH1223 wrote:
Whoever speaks Arabic is an Arab.
Thats what Nabi SAW said.
They are Arab but there is no merit to their lineage and they are not istafa (made the best of) above all others.
Only those of Isma'ilite descent are inherently superior by virtue of their lineage.
SUPERIOR IN WHAT?
Nobility? Dude, even the Prophet said the only ones who are superior are by taqwa not race... and that includes class
Yes, nobility.
The nobility of Arabs over other nations isn't something specific to myself but has been the belief of the Muslim Ummah, including the four Madhabs for 1400 years.
All four founders of the Madhabs believed in it.
Re: I got 2 questions about Islam, who can help me..
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:37 pm
by FAH1223
Ghazi wrote:
Yes, nobility.
The nobility of Arabs over other nations isn't something specific to myself but has been the belief of the Muslim Ummah, including the four Madhabs for 1400 years.
All four founders of the Madhabs believed in it.
Then it contradicts the Prophet SAW's last sermon.
Re: I got 2 questions about Islam, who can help me..
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:42 pm
by Ghazi
FAH1223 wrote:Ghazi wrote:
Yes, nobility.
The nobility of Arabs over other nations isn't something specific to myself but has been the belief of the Muslim Ummah, including the four Madhabs for 1400 years.
All four founders of the Madhabs believed in it.
Then it contradicts the Prophet SAW's last sermon.
No, it doesn't.
The Prophet SAW explicitly claimed that he has the best of lineage. I.e. the tribe, Quraysh, he comes from are the best of all tribes. He also says that Allah chose Banu Isma'il from amongst the entire human race, and amongst them he chose Quraysh, and then Banu Hashim and then the Prophet SAW, and to that he said, 'I am the best of the best...' etc.
I'll find the Hadith proving this.
Re: I got 2 questions about Islam, who can help me..
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:49 pm
by SahanGalbeed
No..no , before the hadith bring a picture of your mother first, that one called sport who you refer to at times .
Re: I got 2 questions about Islam, who can help me..
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:53 pm
by Ghazi
SahanGalbeed wrote:No..no , before the hadith bring a picture of your mother first, that one called sport who you refer to at times .
Your definition of "ignore" must be radically different to the conventional one if you still insist on following and appeasing the person you claim to be ignoring.
Sport.