Watch it here http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/12/sharlet (39th minute)
AMY GOODMAN: And Siad Barre of Somalia?
JEFF SHARLET: Yeah, dictator of Somalia. It’s, to me, one of the scariest stories that I found in their archives. I was able to recreate this, because they dumped 600 boxes of papers in the Billy Graham archives. Siad Barre was a—not a likely candidate for Christian right recruitment, called himself a Koranic Marxist. But in the early ’80s, the Soviets had abandoned him. There had been a power shift between Somalia and Ethiopia. He was in the market for a new patron. And working through Senator Chuck Grassley, Republican of Iowa, of course still in office—
AMY GOODMAN: Talk more about Chuck Grassley, who certainly is in the news now, who, together with Max Baucus, heads the Senate Finance Committee.
JEFF SHARLET: Yeah.
AMY GOODMAN: Baucus, Democrat; Grassley, Republican. Very powerful figure, especially around healthcare right now.
JEFF SHARLET: Indeed. And Grassley has been involved with the organization for quite some time, since the ’80s, when he traveled to Somalia to join Barre, Siad Barre, in prayer to Jesus. And he brought with him a defense contractor named Bill Brehm.
And Barre was a kind of a cynical character, as you might expect for a dictator. He was very clear. He says, “I’m willing to pray to Jesus, and here’s what I want in return.” He says, “I want my defense budget doubled.” He says, “I want meetings for my officials with the Reagan White House. And I want a sort of a hands-off policy while I crack down on some rebels.” Doug Coe, the leader of the group, wrote back, in essence, “Done, done and done.”
And when we look at history, so it was. And Barre used those weapons, supplied to him in part by the US, to wage a war of almost biblical proportion on his own people, from which Somalia has not recovered to this day. The Family doesn’t consider that a failure; they consider that God’s will for Somalia.
Why Afwayne was anti-Islam - this explains
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Re: Why Afwayne was anti-Islam - this explains
The dictator converted to Christianity for the lame and shameful reason of getting more aide from Washington. How low can anyone get?
Re: Why Afwayne was anti-Islam - this explains
I see no substantial evidence, no incontrovertible proof, not even sound conjecture.
Merely the incoherent ramblings of a fringe conspiracy theorist.
Merely the incoherent ramblings of a fringe conspiracy theorist.
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Re: Why Afwayne was anti-Islam - this explains
yawle wrote:The dictator converted to Christianity for the lame and shameful reason of getting more aide from Washington. How low can anyone get?
Yawle what is ur other nick?? ileen u have no balls to attack a dead man with ur known nick .
get a balls before u talk smak fac.k face

Re: Why Afwayne was anti-Islam - this explains
Can you prove it is the real question.yawle wrote:The dictator converted to Christianity for the lame and shameful reason of getting more aide from Washington. How low can anyone get?
I can find articles or interviews about as reputable as the one you posted which assert that Islam is a satanic cult, from people very similar in character to Jeff Sharlet.
Do you believe those sources too? Or are you being selective because it fits your worldview and agenda to discredit and insult a polarizing political figure?
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Re: Why Afwayne was anti-Islam - this explains
Al-Haqq,
I have no doubts that Afwayne would have prayed to Budda if that meant for him to staying in power longer. You have to be a dictator to understand the mindset of a dictator why they do what they do so long what they are doing will help them in their one and only goal in life - stay in power by any means possible.
This revealation that Siyad Barre secretly took the christian oath and prayed to Jesus as the Lord, doesn't surprise me at all. This only explains a lot of other things that the dictator has done of which Somalis had very sketchy idea as to what reasons that led the dictator to doing it. For instance the killing of the Islamic Scholars in the middle of Mogadishu, the total ban of certain parts of the Quran. And the most important of all, the recruitment of the Satanic so called Sheekhs who used to preach fake and concocted version of Islam on both Radio Hargeisa and Radio Mogadishu. This all comes down to this revealation that the man was working with an external group who had a hidden agenda.
I have no doubts that Afwayne would have prayed to Budda if that meant for him to staying in power longer. You have to be a dictator to understand the mindset of a dictator why they do what they do so long what they are doing will help them in their one and only goal in life - stay in power by any means possible.
This revealation that Siyad Barre secretly took the christian oath and prayed to Jesus as the Lord, doesn't surprise me at all. This only explains a lot of other things that the dictator has done of which Somalis had very sketchy idea as to what reasons that led the dictator to doing it. For instance the killing of the Islamic Scholars in the middle of Mogadishu, the total ban of certain parts of the Quran. And the most important of all, the recruitment of the Satanic so called Sheekhs who used to preach fake and concocted version of Islam on both Radio Hargeisa and Radio Mogadishu. This all comes down to this revealation that the man was working with an external group who had a hidden agenda.
Re: Why Afwayne was anti-Islam - this explains
I have no doubts that you and your ilk would post quotes from discredited journalists stating Barre was every name under the sun regardless of evidence solely out of your disdain for him. This is why I cannot debunk your claims. Because there is no argument outside of fabrications and rumors.yawle wrote:Al-Haqq,
I have no doubts that Afwayne would have prayed to Budda if that meant for him to staying in power longer. You have to be a dictator to understand the mindset of a dictator why they do what they do so long what they are doing will help them in their one and only goal in life - stay in power by any means possible.
This revealation that Siyad Barre secretly took the christian auth and prayed to Jesus as the Lord, doesn't surprise me at all. This only explains a lot of other things that the dictator has done of which Somalis had very sketchy idea as to what reasons that led the dictator to doing it. For instance the killing of the Islamic Scholars in the middle of Mogadishu, the total ban of certain parts of the Quran. And the most important of all, the recruitment of the Satanic so called Sheekhs who used to preach fake and concocted version of Islam on both Radio Hargeisa and Radio Mogadishu. This all comes down to this revealation that the man was working with an external group who had a hidden agenda.
You realize your contradicting yourself by stating you have to be a dictator to understand their psyche. You are not a dictator and Jeff Sharlet certainly isn't.
Of course it doesn't surprise you, you'd believe Barre was a cyborg programmed by Israelis if his detractors said it, because you cannot discuss the man rationally and objectively. Your emotions cloud you, which is why this discussion will go nowhere.
Listen, Sharlet is a journalist. He has been thoroughly discredited. He is a hack who isn't respected in his field because of his sensationalist writing and dislike of factual proof, and you have the audacity to use him as a source?
The fact that you'd believe somebody of no integrity says volumes about you.
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