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What I'm saying is, recently there have been alot of bombing and killing of civilians both Moslems and non-moslems by a group of extremists that claim to be Moslems.
so God says if you dispute in a matter go back to the Koran. so what does the Koran says about Muslims killing other people in the name of God.

This is for Muslims targetting other Moslems --like the daily bombing in Iraq.
Koran says:
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"Koran 004.093 : And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his punishment is hell; he shall abide in it, and Allah will send His wrath on him and curse him and prepare for him a painful chastisement."
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This is Muslims dealing with Non-Moslmes

Koran 060.009 : Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of (your) religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.
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Koran 008.061 : But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).
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Koran 004.094 : O you who believe! when you go to war in Allah's way, make investigation, and do not say to any one who offers you peace: You are not a believer. Do you seek goods of this world's life! But with Allah there are abundant gains; you too were such before, then Allah conferred a benefit on you; therefore make investigation; surely Allah is aware of
what you do.
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according this and many other verses --I think al-qaidi is doesn't represent Muslims and is not in the best interest of Islam. its time Muslims stand up against this people and reject them.

Assalamu Alaikum,

"What I'm saying is, recently there have been alot of bombing and killing of civilians both Moslems and non-moslems by a group of extremists that claim to be Moslems"

Inna Lillahi Wa Inna Lillahi Raji'uun, this is truly sad wallahi.

Ironman, did the media brainwash you soo much that you have become soo blind to see the torture and suffering your dear brothers and sisters in Islam go through? What about the innocent Muslims ( BTW it's not Moslems but Muslims brother) in Iraq who are being killed by the American troops (and the other troops) 24/7? How about the ones in Palestine that are being killed by the Israeli troops, and no doubt America supports it?

Extremists? LOL...Inna Lallahi Wa Inna Lillahi Raji'uun, how do you know they are "Moslems"? How do you know it's not a non-muslim who was just in the mood to have "fun"? Do you know that the G8 thing was on that same date and there were a lot of people that were against it? How do you know it was not one of those people who planned the bombings? You know what's soo funny brother.....the minute the London bombing occurred, without doing any investigation they labelled the bombing to Al-Qaeda...did we see any proof? Did they show any video type or even a letter like they always do? NO! They did not....so what gives you (A Muslim) the right to say something you have no knowledge of? Subhan'Allah...no wonder why our Ummah is not getting anywhere

"according this and many other verses --I think al-qaidi is doesn't represent Muslims and is not in the best interest of Islam. its time Muslims stand up against this people and reject them"

And who made you the judge? Reject them? Please tell me you're joking? Rejecting your own fellow brothers in faith? Wallahi you're a sad case!

They, as well as other BRAVE brothers, are the ONLY ones who seem to care about Muslims and are trying to protect their fellow brothers and sisters!

Allah (SWT) says "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward"

Surah An-Nisa, 95

What do you expect the brothers in Iraq or Palestine to do when they are being kicked out of their houses, tortured, their women raped and losing a loved one every single day? Tell me, would you like to live in Iraq or Palestine? Why, why not?

I'm not saying killing innocent lives is halal nor am I justifying the bombings that happened in London or the 9/11 one but I'm just saying do you know for a fact (100% sure) that it was a Muslim (or a group of Muslims) who did that? Were you there when those people (only God knows who they are or what religion they belong to) were planning the bombings? The answer is NO dear brother so why don't you leave the judging to Allah (SWT)?

BTW, it's Qur'an NOT Koran

these guys took the eye for an eye

if jews kill innocent palestinians we kill innocent westerners

but they aint doing any damage to western power they should wage war against those that attack islam

not innocent civilians come on if there are wolves between sheeps why kill the sheeps

take out the wolves

but you can kill the sheeps so the wolves has no food to eat

[quote="optimist_1"]these guys took the eye for an eye

if jews kill innocent palestinians we kill innocent westerners

but they aint doing any damage to western power they should wage war against those that attack islam

not innocent civilians come on if there are wolves between sheeps why kill the sheeps

take out the wolves [/quote]

You guys just don't get the point! How on earth do you know they were Muslims? What, just because the Media said so? Please, give me a break ....the fact that the minute the bombing occurred they pointed the finger at Al-qaeda sounds a bit fishy wouldn't you say?

it is not for you to say who is muslim or not

devil you smart men with the name Devils_Advkt you cant tell me nothing

by th way u from leicester heey

Im talking about the palestinians that bomb and 911 not the the london bombings in that case.

hey dont u think it could be al qaeda and there are all kind conspiracies now blair is gonna use this excuse for identity cards

shame if 50 have to dy to take away people privacy

how is that right when Al-zarqawi is happy killing other Muslims just becuz they shiite or Kurdi --I think this fakers are fighting for Arab then Islam, I doubt 'em. so don't waste your time cuz they ain't right.

Proud

Alqaeda has released a communique admitting that they are behind the bombings in London. So, the question is, do you support the actions of such fanatics? They may have legitimate nationalist reasons, and for that Ossama's primary objective is to overthrow the Saudi regime, but that is a national cause (read your own nationalism & Islam post), but why will I, or other Muslims have to fight or support their cause in the name of Islam? Your logic seems to be that Alqaeda should be supported, and music is xaraam, that is the sort of mentality that sent us Muslim to the gallows, typical wahabis.

[quote="The Law26"]

Alqaeda has released a communique admitting that they are behind the bombings in London. So, the question is, do you support the actions of such fanatics? They may have legitimate nationalist reasons, and for that Ossama's primary objective is to overthrow the Saudi regime, but that is a national cause (read your own nationalism & Islam post), but why will I, or other Muslims have to fight or support their cause in the name of Islam? Your logic seems to be that Alqaeda should be supported, and music is xaraam, that is the sort of mentality that sent us Muslim to the gallows, typical wahabis.[/quote]

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Bismillah,

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You guys (the liberals and progresive cult) need to balance yourselves for attacking the Al Qaida and blaming everything on them instead investigatinh where the root of the so called "terrorism" started from.
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As for the Saudis regime they are the pets Dabadhilif of the zionist kuffaar and Rofiyaaniin for the kuffaar, they must be eliminated from the power. We need hardliner government like the Iranians who are not pets of the kuffaar; insha Allah sooner or latter this will come to an end.

Aiman u are not saudi cetizen there for u cant blame their gov

bring democracy to somalia first befrore u talk about KSA

SubxanAllah-- They call Muslims 'brainwashed' 'blind' 'sheep' and I find the ones who deserve these description most are the ones who swallow every piece of xaar the kuffar media gives to them, thanking them afterwards and vomiting out the xaar when speaking with their making comments -- 'but Muslims claimed responsiblity'-- 'they released a statement' ... **** ...

How about Iraq and the so called insurgents, "salafist" international, Butchering and killing Iraq's like the Americans? Do you think they care about a bunch of westerners, including us? Did your "salafi" Imaam convince you that Zarqawi and co. are to be revered as mujaahidiin? Or, am I being brainwashed in talking and discussing with Iraqi's and other Muslims on this issue, who themselves were brainwashed by the western media?

Miss IUG director, by begginning your post with Subxaana-Allah and at the sametime cussing me as an af-ka-xaare, won't fit and can't stand together. Where do you get your news from? Who are your sources? Or, you pick and chose western media reports, and then chuck the bits that don't fit your own reasoning. Who told us about Abu-Ghuraib, GITMO or what is happening in Southern Thailand and etc.? Well this Muslim journalist says that Alqaeda posted this message, how do you know he is wrong?

By Yassin Musharbash

A letter posted on a Web site frequently used by al-Qaida claims that the "Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe" is responsible for today's massive terrorist attack in London. In it, the group also issues warnings to Denmark and Italy.


".....Rejoice, community of Muslims," the letter states. "The heroic mujahedeens today conducted an attack in London," it continues. All of Great Britain is now shaken and shocked, "in the north, the south, west and east." "We've warned the British government and the British people time and again," the letter adds. "We've kept our promise and have carried out a blessed military operation."



http://service.spiegel.de/cache/interna ... 34,00.html

Aiman, all kinds of terrorists should be exterminated, including terroist who use small oldy gun and unsophisticated bombs like Alqaeda, and not just terrorists who use smart missiles, apache helicopters, sophisticated tanks, figter planes, B2 stealth...etc. Both state and non-State terror.

The question that needs to be asked is what is it that motivates these terrorists? Is it Islam? No, because if it were indeed Islam itself, then most if not all Muslims including me, you and Mochatanya would be doing the same, but we don't. Why? Are you a weak Muslim? All these atrocities have been seen to exist since the creation of the state of Israel in 1948. That is the root cause, which is a nationalist cause. It doesn't take an absolute genius to figure this out. The fact is that for those with a basic amount of knowledge of human behaviour, would come to the obvious conclusion that the acts of middle-eastern “terrorists” has nothing to do with the faith and practices and teachings of the religion of Islam. If they were Christians, or Hindus, or Buddhists, or atheists or agnostics, they would find an excuse in their belief system to retaliate one way or another. It is a national cause. It is all about the politics of Palestine, Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

Aiman, an offensive trait for you wahabi guys is to look down on others because "they are not members of your sect." and don't think like you. It is important to state here, that there are many informed Muslims who don't see a value in "sectarianism" and have removed or are attempting to remove such archaiac thinking from their pysche. Many of us see such "stinking thinking" as self defeating and working towards our own destruction. There are also many references in the Qur'an for man to think, ponder and reason. There are to be no sects in Islam. The Qur'an says:

The Cattle
[6.159] Surely they who divided their religion into parts and became sects, you have no concern with them; their affair is only with Allah, then He will inform them of what they did.
The Prophets
[21.93] And they broke their religion (into sects) between them: to Us shall all come back.
The Believers
[23.53] But they cut off their religion among themselves into sects, each part rejoicing in that which is with them.]

How about Iraq and the so called insurgents, "salafist" international, Butchering and killing Iraq's like the Americans? Do you think they care about a bunch of westerners, including us? Did your "salafi" Imaam convince you that Zarqawi and co. are to be revered as mujaahidiin? Or, am I being brainwashed in talking and discussing with Iraqi's and other Muslims on this issue, who themselves were brainwashed by the western media?


Miss IUG director, by begginning your post with Subxaana-Allah and at the sametime cussing me as an af-ka-xaare, won't fit and can't stand together. Where do you get your news from? Who are your sources? Or, you pick and chose western media reports, and then chuck the bits that don't fit your own reasoning. Who told us about Abu-Ghuraib, GITMO or what is happening in Southern Thailand and etc.? Well this Muslim journalist says that Alqaeda posted this message, how do you know he is wrong?


By Yassin Musharbash

A letter posted on a Web site frequently used by al-Qaida claims that the "Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe" is responsible for today's massive terrorist attack in London. In it, the group also issues warnings to Denmark and Italy.


".....Rejoice, community of Muslims," the letter states. "The heroic mujahedeens today conducted an attack in London," it continues. All of Great Britain is now shaken and shocked, "in the north, the south, west and east." "We've warned the British government and the British people time and again," the letter adds. "We've kept our promise and have carried out a blessed military operation."



http://service.spiegel.de/cache/interna ... 34,00.html

Aiman, all kinds of terrorists should be exterminated, including terroist who use small oldy gun and unsophisticated bombs like Alqaeda, and not just terrorists who use smart missiles, apache helicopters, sophisticated tanks, figter planes, B2 stealth...etc. Both state and non-State terror.


The question that needs to be asked is what is it that motivates these terrorists? Is it Islam? No, because if it were indeed Islam itself, then most if not all Muslims including me, you and Mochatanya would be doing the same, but we don't. Why? Are you a weak Muslim? All these atrocities have been seen to exist since the creation of the state of Israel in 1948. That is the root cause, which is a nationalist cause. It doesn't take an absolute genius to figure this out. The fact is that for those with a basic amount of knowledge of human behaviour, would come to the obvious conclusion that the acts of middle-eastern “terrorists” has nothing to do with the faith and practices and teachings of the religion of Islam. If they were Christians, or Hindus, or Buddhists, or atheists or agnostics, they would find an excuse in their belief system to retaliate one way or another. It is a national cause. It is all about the politics of Palestine, Iraq and Saudi Arabia.


Aiman, an offensive trait for you wahabi guys is to look down on others because "they are not members of your sect." and don't think like you. It is important to state here, that there are many informed Muslims who don't see a value in "sectarianism" and have removed or are attempting to remove such archaiac thinking from their pysche. Many of us see such "stinking thinking" as self defeating and working towards our own destruction. There are also many references in the Qur'an for man to think, ponder and reason. There are to be no sects in Islam. The Qur'an says:

The Cattle
[6.159] Surely they who divided their religion into parts and became sects, you have no concern with them; their affair is only with Allah, then He will inform them of what they did.
The Prophets
[21.93] And they broke their religion (into sects) between them: to Us shall all come back.
The Believers
[23.53] But they cut off their religion among themselves into sects, each part rejoicing in that which is with them.]

Law- First off, don't assume I'm a 'salafi', 'wahabi' or follow ANY sheikh for that matter. My Islam consists of the Quran and hadith. I don't go by what other people say, when it comes to matters that are laid out clearly in Islam.

How bout you?

Do I think those who slaughter the innocent people in the name of Islam are right? No. Do I hold such people as heroes? No. Do I hate to hear of people using the banner of Islam to justify the slaughter of people on their way to work? Of course! InshaAllah I'll hold my beliefs close to my heart and never let emotion interfere with Islamic teachings.

And did I diss you in my previous post? No. I was referring to a large group of Muslims who believe EVERYTHING the Western media gives them. Does that include you?


You don't know anything about, as you have shown by calling me 'Miss IUG director'.. You knew nothing of the IUG and you know nothing of me. If you did, you would know I neither direct or began the IUG.

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I am someone who is skeptical of Western media. Not because they disbelievers, but because, naturally, I'm skeptical about many things ( is toothpaste healthy, do food additives cause harm.. etc etc). Is this 'Al-Qaida' website viewable by all? Has it been confirmed that it is indeed their website?

When the last question has been answered, I might believe it.

Next time, get your facts about me before sticking ugly labels on 'Mochatanya' .