Defruading the Welfare System is Haraam in Islam!!

[IRONm@N]

As Islam lays great stress on a life of strife and struggle, it is apparent that to live on other people's earnings is considered to be too bad. Those who live on other people's earnings are called (مُـترفـين) "MUTRAFEEN" in Arabic language. As pointed out in so many verses of the Holy Quran "Mutrafeen" are the enemies of God's messengers and of (Deen) the way of life brought about by them. These are idle and lazy people who avoid work and self-earning. They would like that other people may earn and they themselves remain parasites on their earnings. The Quran is deadly against such people and instructs the believers:

Faibtaghoo AAinda Allahi alrrizqa (29/17)

"Then you seek your sustenance according to the way prescribed by Allah".

What is meant by the way prescribed by Allah? It means the ways of earning that are lawful according to the Quran. On the other hand unlawful means are strictly prohibited:

Wala ta/kuloo amwalakum baynakum bialbatili (2/188)

"And do not eat up your property among yourselves, by unlawful means." (2/188)

What are these unlawful means? It means to get other people's wealth by fraud, by stealing, or by taking advantage of somebody's weakness, or to usurp somebody's earnings or to cut down from what is due to another person.

The Prophet (PBUH) said in the book of Al Imam Bukhari:
"Never has anyone eating a better food that what he has procured through his manual
work"

From the narrations reported about Issa, also known as Jesus (PBUH), when he saw a man
and said: "What do you do?" He said: "I am worshiping,” He said: "Who is providing for
you?” he said: "My
brother"
he said:
"Where is your brother?”
he said:
"In the field"
He said:
"Your brother is more of a worshiper to Allah than you"


So ppl get of your azz and get to working unless you are disabled or very old and sick. defrauding the system wil not take you to heaven.

[Aerosmith]

aside from Islamic perspective, its way too un natural sxb. How can one live such a mundane life collecting welfare, even social welfare. Whatever happened to incentives and working for your damned keep. On that note, Phuck Obama & Geithner.

[sweeti]

well said my friend

[*Nobleman*]

problem with somalida is they will ignore this as it goes against their interests.

[SultanOrder]

funny as i didn't know you had the right to say what is halaal and what is haraam

[IRONm@N]

funny as i didn't know you had the right to say what is halaal and what is haraam

what you mean? I'm giving you hadiths and Quranic verses, it's not my opinion.

[Crazy Cat Lady]

Not every-one can choose to live without government assistance, what about pensioners, disabled folk and mothers with small children?
A society which does not provide for its most vulnerable members is inhumane.

[paidmonk]

Not every-one can choose to live without government assistance, what about pensioners, disabled folk and mothers with small children?
A society which does not provide for its most vulnerable members is inhumane.

I'm along this line.

[Voltage]

This is the problem with Islam today. Every illiterate, kid, and crack head off the street think they have the credentials to define what is Halal or Haram based on their own opinions. What is Zakat? Is it not welfare? How did Welfare become equated with able bodied people who steal from the good will of other people? A sub-section of welfare recipients may actually be of that group but welfare is not defined by that group nor is it confined to them. As such an Islamic ruling dealing with that sub-section does not have any bearing on the overall existence of welfare which can house the elderly, the sick, the disabled, the single parent who needs help raising their kids, etc. Rather you should say claiming welfare while you really do not need it is Haram which I agree with.

[IRONm@N]

Voltage and Crazy cat read well what I said
my last sentence reads
"So ppl get of your azz and get to working unless you are disabled or very old and sick. defrauding the system wil not take you to heaven".

You know that a lot of Black or Somali ppl that take Welfare can get to work. some ppl claim mental illness to get social security, some ppl defruad the tax system by claiming other ppl's kids, some ppl take food stamps while working and don't report. some ppl are in low-income housing while they work or her husband works but she claims separate.

[Babygirl-]

Welfare is not Haraam Caliph Omar started a Welfare System for the poor..

[The Nomad]

This is incorrect. The diaspora Ummah living in the West should be commended for draining the welfare system dry able-bodied or otherwise. I'd go as far as to call it a form of Jihad.

[IRONm@N]

Nothing is free in this life, and Islam encourages hard work, then sitting on your azz all day at coffee shops while you get free hand out from the system.

Nomad, what you saying is wrong, you have that wrong attitude that, they aren't Muslims it's alright to defraud them, but you are wrong, stealing is stealing period.

I again we aren't talking about sick or disabled ppl or seniors.

[Voltage]

Nomad is a troll.

[The Nomad]

Nomad, what you saying is wrong, you have that wrong attitude that, they aren't Muslims it's alright to defraud them, but you are wrong, stealing is stealing period.

It's not because they are non-Muslims, it's because they are harbi's. If it was because they are kufr, we'd be no different to the Jews, since their Talmud justifies defrauding gentiles.

There's a clear difference.