Somali History (Educate me please)

[Skippa]

A question:

I know of a section of darood (daarjire) who settle arabsiyo & its surroundings and deeply intermarry with their sacad muuse neighbors. I am curious to know what sub clan of daarod these people belong to, would they be a faction of dhulbahante as some have said? Another thing I have noticed is that somaliland or nothern somalia is home to all the major somali tribes and more, from the hawiye (fiqishini), daarood, isaaq, gadabuursi ciise, akishe and other dir madhibaan etc...this actually reminds me of some old maps I once saw , showing a northern range for some somali clans who now live in the deep south, like the mareexan...Does this mean that the somali's population of the horn of africa proceeded from the north to the south or is it not as simple as that? And if this is the case, the southernmost somalis and other related groups would then be (relatively) recent arrivals to those areas? How then do people like the kenyan rendille who seem to be related and at the same time antecedent to the somalis fit into this equation?

[Skippa]

xaasidsanaa duulku, sheeko baraley iyo shilin baa dhuusteyna ka ma dhamaatan wax inoo faa'ideeyana waa la idinku kari laayahay!

[Tegaru]

Yes, that is correct, the Northern region is where Somalis spread from. The far South was primarily inhabited by Bantu (Zanj) before the expansion, while the less extreme South was heavily Oromo populated.

http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article30861

As for the Rendille: http://ethnohistory.dukejournals.org/cg ... t/55/2/321
http://www.randafricanart.com/Rendile_h ... Kenya.html

[AbdiWahab252]

Skippa,

We moved south from the North dislodging the Oromo. Abgaal is buried not to far away from berbera.

[AbdiWahab252]

Tegeru,

RerDiinle are a lost tribe of Dir. Folklore has them as being Somalis and Muslims before a great war with Absynnia forced them to hide their Culema & Quran holybooks up a mountain that they now worship.

[Tegaru]

Tegeru,

RerDiinle are a lost tribe of Dir. Folklore has them as being Somalis and Muslims before a great war with Absynnia forced them to hide their Culema & Quran holybooks up a mountain that they now worship.

I've heard that. It appears to be the most likely answer, centuries of isolation resulted in alterations to the language along with taking elements from communities living near them, resulting in the modern product.

[Skippa]

Tegaru, Abdiwahab...

I appreciate your inputs and I have no doubt that the rendille are perhaps even closer to the somalis than say the afars who themselves can rarely be distinguished from the average somali in looks while their language is quite similar to ours. What I don’t get is that everything about the rendille, from their mores to their language appears to be an archaic version of ours (not to say primitive). This does not reconcile with a recent arrival. I had a conversation with the father of a friend, a retired history professor from the congo, of those people known as banyamulenge (tutsis) who believed that the flow of migration was northernly. It was his opinion that the ancestors of the people of the horn, whatever slight admixture from the middle east (if such there is) notwithstanding, are of the great lakes region

[kambuli]

Skippa,

Daaljire not daarjire hail from Dhulbahante clan..Hayag..

[Dhaga Bacayl]

A question:

I know of a section of darood (daarjire) who settle arabsiyo & its surroundings and deeply intermarry with their sacad muuse neighbors. I am curious to know what sub clan of daarod these people belong to, would they be a faction of dhulbahante as some have said? Another thing I have noticed is that somaliland or nothern somalia is home to all the major somali tribes and more, from the hawiye (fiqishini), daarood, isaaq, gadabuursi ciise, akishe and other dir madhibaan etc...this actually reminds me of some old maps I once saw , showing a northern range for some somali clans who now live in the deep south, like the mareexan...Does this mean that the somali's population of the horn of africa proceeded from the north to the south or is it not as simple as that? And if this is the case, the southernmost somalis and other related groups would then be (relatively) recent arrivals to those areas? How then do people like the kenyan rendille who seem to be related and at the same time antecedent to the somalis fit into this equation?

Don't forget Aabo yoosin. they're from Hargeisa too and yes Daarjire are Dhulbahante but they associate more with Bah Gabo (Sacad Muse).

[kambuli]

Skippa,

Check Ceegaag.com if you want to know more about Hayag..

[James Dahl]

Rendiile are an aggregate people, with lineages from Gabbra and Sakuye which have been adopted into the Rendiile nation.

The namesake and original Rendiile however, are Gardheere Samaale. Their closest relatives in Somalia are the Dabarre and Iroole, who today claim Digil, but are also Gardheere Samaale.

I no longer believe that the "Galla" who were conquered by the Ajuuraan and later by the Ogaden and Marehan were ever what today we call Oromos. They were simply Somalis who were not muslims. The evidence points to one place, Gardheere Samaale.

It explains two great mysteries. Gardheere Samaale are a great nation, yet every clan has been absorbed by different clans. Some have become Digil, others Hawiye. The Rendiile never lost their holy books, they never had them to begin with, they were always followers of Waaqafeena.

To admit this though was historically impossible because to do so would invalidate the myth that Samaale was an Arabian shiekh from Egypt, or that Hiil, his father was a Yemeni cousin of Darood, or any number of other theories.

[Keyse_0208]

oo maxaa meesha looga saari waayey..?

[Skippa]

Thanks Kambuli, I am new at this


Dhaga, they sure do...it was some bah gobo kinsman of mine who told me of this relationship with the daaljire. Aabo Yoosinkuna waa qoloma?

[Skippa]

Keyse, maxaa looga saarayaa hadeey dhulka u dhasheen?


Kambuli

Thanks for the link walaal laakin websitekaa waaban ku indho beeley...too much of that finger pointing icon ayaa dhex yaacaya, I didn't know where to click. I'll check it out in details later on

[Dhaga Bacayl]

Thanks Kambuli, I am new at this


Dhaga, they sure do...it was some bah gobo kinsman of mine who told me of this relationship with the daaljire. Aabo Yoosinkuna waa qoloma?

Aaabo yonis are Daarood ( I don't know which clan). They intermarry Nuux Ismacill, Ahmed and gadiid precisely. Cumar Carte, Jurde Hussien kuligood waxaa dhalay Aabo Yonis.

I have relations with Daarjire. They're gogal wanaag and Arabsiyo natives.

How about Maxbuub? They're Hawiye, I guess, but they intermarry with Reer Shirdoon.