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Are Hawiye the only clan..

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Who have never taken a loss in their history?

Idoor were taken out by Barre and by extension Darod and who can forget Aideed's struggle against the Faqash?

No comparable incident comes to mind for Hawiye as a collective, I'd count the Ethiopian occupation but that was just HG not even Hiraab, let alone Hawiye.

Keep it civil :up:
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I am totally against tribalism, but I have to say one thing. Hawiyes are warriors; they will fight to the bitter end. I don’t even think MJ’s could duke it out with Abgaals
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Re: Are Hawiye the only clan..

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Oxidant wrote:I am totally against tribalism, but I have to say one thing. Hawiyes are warriors; they will fight to the bitter end. I don’t even think MJ’s could duke it out with Abgaals
Precisely.

Imagine if the Shabab entity rose in the North rather than the South and Ethiopia intervened? Can you imagine a resistance even comparable to the Hawiye Moryaan Movement?
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Nomad,


This song reminds me of a struggle back in the 90s:




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Re: Are Hawiye the only clan..

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The Nomad wrote:I'd count the Ethiopian occupation but that was just HG not even Hiraab, let alone Hawiye.

Keep it civil :up:
The somali struggle against the dark days of Ethiopian occupation was an all out united hawiye struggle not just HG.
One time when the HIV ethiopians managed to push out the liberation forces out of south east mogadishu and even killed a top islamic courts commander.
The Murasade went nuts, they all screamed out in the streets heavily armed that beesha mursade shall not let down the resistance by allowing the ethipians to continue to remain strongly in south east Mogadishu.
The following hour the HIV ethiopians were completely rooted by a full on winner takes on assulat by beesha mursade, 40 ethiopians were killed and 15 captured and the ethiopians were driven out from south east mogadishu completely,
I can never forget the heroic efforts beesha murusade did on that day :up: :som: :rose:
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Re: Are Hawiye the only clan..

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Masha'allah :up:

I have a new appreciation for all things Hawiye and a general distaste for my own Faqash brethren.

Hawiye vs. Ethiopia was like the battle of Badr :up: Allah bless you all.
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I remember when I was young. The kids and I talked about clans. We would ask each other what clans we are from. There was a kid who was Hawiye, they always said to him, your clan destroyed our country and so on. Most of those other kids were Daroods. But the reality is SMN and MJ’s were the one who destroyed Somalia. They just can’t take the fact Hawiyes kicked their ass in South Somalia
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Oxidant wrote:I remember when I was young. The kids and I talked about clans. We would ask each other what clans we are from. There was a kid who was Hawiye, they always said to him, your clan destroyed our country and so on. Most of those other kids were Daroods. But the reality is SMN and MJ’s were the one who destroyed Somalia. They just can’t take the fact Hawiyes kicked their ass in South Somalia
Again this is true.

Hawiye did a number on Darod, both mentally and physically Faqash (particularly MJ) haven't recuperated, I don't think they will ever redeem themselves in the eyes of the populace.

MJ instigated and provoked the sleeping lying and when it awoke they played victim. Deplorable.
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Re: Are Hawiye the only clan..

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The Nomad wrote:Hawiye vs. Ethiopia was like the battle of Badr :up: Allah bless you all.
Allah the most kind the most msercful favoured us to gain victory

When the world became dark
and none heard our cries
and the HIV ethiopians slept on our beds
and eat on our our plates
when all said beesha hawiye are terrorist
when are darood brethren screamed for joy
and the isaacs laughed at us
the arabs ignored us
to Allah did we turn
to Allah did we cry out
When the US, UN, EU, arab league and many of our somali brothers turned against us and supported the HIV ethiopians
When Djibouti stood with us, secretly urging us to hold on.
Then did Allah swt grant us victory
Then were the HIV ethiopians shattered
as they fled out of somalia on all roads they could find
leaving out YEEY
all alone
and shamed
with NOTHING
Truly a victory for hawiye was a victory for all
a victory that made our ogaden bothers smile with joy
a victory that made the onlf roar with delight :som: :som: :som: :rose: :up:
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Re: Are Hawiye the only clan..

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When Somalia is stable and under Abgaal/HG leadership with a Warsan PM, every student in school will be forced to re-enact a play about the Hawiye Jihad against Ethiopia as part of their extra-curricular achievements.

It's probably the most vital part of recent Somali history, up their with Imam Gurey :up:
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Hawiye are a tribe of quite, peaceful MASS. They are essentially of the philosophy- dont enter my OCEAN and i wont enter yours. PERIOD. They are not arrogant, conceited or exude artificial sumpremecy. DaroOds and isaaqs have the complex. :clap: They are not ambitious--at least in the past. It was only during the baare over-throw and the rise of aideed and the renegade moryanissm that hawiye emerged out of their hybernation caves. Since then- they have been unstoppable. But as a qabil they are a group who do not think BIG picture. The mjs or daroods and the isaaqs are greedy and think big picture, as opposed to Hawiyes who only think of safe guarding their home compounds and home gates. I wont go so far as saying they are ambitions or aqli challenged but they dont think globally like the notorious qabils. :|
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Re: Are Hawiye the only clan..

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Basra- wrote:Hawiye are a tribe of quite, peaceful MASS. They are essentially of the philosophy- dont enter my OCEAN and i wont enter yours. PERIOD. They are not arrogant, conceited or exude artificial sumpremecy. DaroOds and isaaqs have the complex. :clap: They are not ambitious--at least in the past. It was only during the baare over-throw and the rise of aideed and the renegade moryanissm that hawiye emerged out of their hybernation caves. Since then- they have been unstoppable. But as a qabil they are a group who do not think BIG picture. The mjs or daroods and the isaaqs are greedy and think big picture, as opposed to Hawiyes who only think of safe guarding their home compounds and home gates. I wont go so far as saying they are ambitions or aqli challenged but they dont think globally like the notorious qabils. :|
They don't think 'globally' (you mean regionally, nothing in Somalia is 'global') because they don't need to. Everything was set for them post-colonialism, Faqash needed to get to Hawiye's level and Isaaq had nothing so they are constantly trying to prove something.

Hawiye didn't need to and to this day they don't need to. They have a country unlike Idoor and they are dominant unlike Faqash.
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Re: Are Hawiye the only clan..

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At that time i recall Al shabaab was lead and commanded by Mukhtaar Ali Roboow aka Abu mansuur
and his Leysaan, Rahanweyn. :lol:


So i don't get all this praises for Haweiye AT THAT TIME.
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Add turki who partook in that fight and he aint even HAWIYOS. :|
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Re: Are Hawiye the only clan..

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No! I'm not tribalist, just like you said of yourself as well,

but i can't help to mention, that it was thanks to the folly of the blind hawiyes that,

PUNTLAND(NORTHERN DAROOD) CAME INTO EXISTANE with its states that are: 1) Eastern Sanaag 2) Sool, 3) Caynabo 4) KarKaar 5) Western Mudug 6) Nugaal 7) Bari

and that JUBBALAND(SOUTHERN DAROOD) came into existance 1) Gedo 2) Middle Jubba 3) Lower Jubba 4) Western Galgaduud(Capital Caabudwaaq)

and that SOMALILAND(ISAAQ + GADABUURSI) came into existance with 1) Waqooyi Galbeed 2) Awdal 3) Saaxil 4) Togdheer 5) Western Sanaag

and that HIIRAAN became "MIDLAND STATE(XAWAADLE)",

and that BAY, BAKOOL(DIGIL& MIRIFLE) became "THE RIVERINE STATES"!!

and that Lower Shabeele become(Southern DIR) "THE BIIMAAL STATE"

and that AWDAL is soon to be "AWDAL STATE (northern DIR)

whats left for Hawiye: 1) Southern Mudug 2) Eastern Galgaduud 3) Lower Shabeele 4) Banaadir


thats it, finito,

Darood= 15 States
Isaaq=4 States
Hawiye=4 states
Digil & Mirifle =2 States
Southern Dir(Biimaal) =1 State
Xawaadle=1 State
Northern Dir (Gadabuursi)=1 State


____________________THANK YOU HAWIYE_______________FOR MAKING NICE BORDRES AND BEAUTIFUL NEW PROVINCES___________SIMPLY BEAUTIFUL
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