How the hell does TPLF control Ethiopia

[Oxidant]

How the hell does TPLF control Ethiopia when the Oromos are much bigger??

They are 6.2% of the population of Ethiopia as a whole, while the Oromos are 35%. The TPLF favour Tigray people over everyone. They forcefully take over Oromia farm lands. They jailed any dissident that is Oromo without question. Various human rights organizations have publicized the government persecution of Oromos in Ethiopia for decades. In 2008, OFDM opposition party condemned the government's indirect role in the death of hundreds of Oromos in western Ethiopia.

Yet the OLF is extremely weak with all the human right abuse against them. The ONLF who have a much smaller population is able to put up a better resistance.

How do the Oromo people let this happen

[Basra-]

Oxy..... simple math. Cacasian looking people are smarter. Oroma might be 35% but they are adoon minded, sleep and dumb. The same in ruanda genocide. The hutus hated on the tutsi for their good looks, brain and eliteness. Same thing is happening in south africa, somali killed by the ape looking south africans-- jealousy and brainless.

[The Nomad]

It's more complex than size, you have to take into account the effect the Eritrean war of independence had, particularly how the EPLF was sympathetic to a Tigray government and after their victory helped them occupy many of the most influential spots.

Ethnicity-politics also plays a large part, the Oromo tribe's historical weakness can be attributed to the fact that Habesha have for eons assimilited them (albeit consensually) into themselves, often times stripping them of their culture, language, etc.

How can Oromo be expected to form a power bloc, when they have no united language and are more loyal to the Habesha name than their own, often times defending it more vehemently than Habesha themselves.

This may be of interest to you:

" … an ethnic-based federation… dominated by the minority ethnic Tigrayans… the federal structure in effect divides and rules larger ethnic groups such as the Oromos and Amharas and bars non-members of the Tigrayan People's Liberation Front…”

"As I have stated many times in the past real power in Ethiopia is now in the hands of 7 Tigrayans. As a matter of fact, the most influential, important and key Ministries in Ethiopia are directly and fully controlled, run, supervised and monitored by these 7 Tigrayans: Meles Zenawi, Samora Younis, Abay Tsehaye, Mulugeta Alemseged, Newaye-Kiristos Gebre-Ab, Seyoum Mesfin and last but not least, Bereket Simon, a de facto Tigrayan. Let us take a look at the facts again:"

"Power has been solidified and consolidated in the hands of Tigrayans. This "supra" body completely dominated by the Tigrayan clique, under the guise of "Advisors with Ranks of Ministers", is now ruling Ethiopia with an even tighter and ruthless iron fist, and is pursuing the policies of kill, imprison, intimidate, vilify etc, so that it can remain in power, by any means necessary. As for the Ethiopian Afar, Gurage, Hadiya and Somali etc. whilst they may hold high positions in the Ethiopian Government, they are all controlled, monitored, supervised and run by Tigrayans."

"Moreover, Tigray Peoples Liberation Front (TPLF) members and their families control the transportation, manufacturing and several other industries in Ethiopia. Tigray region is also the single highest beneficiary of the massive aid and loan guarantees that is being given to Ethiopia by the IMF, World Bank and international donors. Schools, colleges, roads, airports, factories, and other infrastructure projects are carried out in the Tigray state while the rest of Ethiopia is ignored, and massive debts are incurred, in the name of the Ethiopian people. The new form of Apartheid that defines Ethiopia today has systematically alienated and deprived the Ethiopian people of their equal rights. It is designed to divide and rule the people of Ethiopia and render them hopeless and helpless."

"1. Meles Zenawi, the Tigrayan Prime Minister, as Commander in Chief of the Ethiopian Armed Forces with the Tigrayan General Samora Younis as his Chief of Staff, has absolute control of the Ethiopian army. Therefore, Kuma Demekesa, from the Oromo ethnic group, is essentially a figurehead with a Defense Minister title- but no bite.

2. Abay Tsehaye, founding member of TPLF, as Public Organization and Participation Advisor to the Prime Minister with the Rank of Minister, according to the new consolidated structure, controls, monitors, supervises and runs the so-called Ministry of Federal Affairs. It’s Minister, Siraj Fegeta, from the Silte (Gurage) ethnic group, reports directly to Abay Tsehaye.

3. Mulugeta Alemseged, a senior member of the TPLF, as National Security Affairs Advisor with the Rank of Minister controls, monitors, supervises and runs the entire police and security apparatus in Ethiopia. As the National Security Advisor, he is in charge of producing "intelligence" and "security" reports to Meles

4. Newaye-Kiristos Gebre-Ab, a Tigrayan from Meles' village of Adwa, as Economic Advisor to the Prime Minister with the Rank of Minister controls, monitors, supervises and runs all Ministries associated with economic matters, in particular the Ministries of Finance, Revenue, Trade and Industry, Transportation, Mines and Energy etc. etc. Therefore Sufian Ahmed, Minister Finance and Economic Development, an Oromo; Melaku Fenta, Minister of Revenue, an Amhara; Girma Biru, Minister of Trade and Industry an Oromo; Junedi Sado, Minister of Transport and Communications, also an Oromo; Alemayehu Tegenu, Minister Mines and Energy another Oromo; all report to Newaye-Kristos Gebre-Ab.

5. Seyoum Mesfin, another Tigrayan, is the Minister of Foreign Affairs. Because he is a trusted Meles disciple, there was no need to create a "Foreign Policy Advisor position with the Rank of a Minister" in the Prime Minister's Office. It should be recalled that Seyoum Mesfin served as TPLF's Foreign Minister for 14 years and has been Ethiopia's Foreign Minister since TPLF took over Ethiopia in 1991."

6. Bereket Simon, (listed as an Amhara), but more TPLF than TPLF itself, as Public Relations Advisor to the Prime Minister with the Rank of Minister controls, monitors, supervises and runs the Ministry of Information. Berhan Hailu, Minister of Information, an Amhara, therefore, reports directly to Bereket Simon.

[Oxidant]

Thanks, Nomand. I am very interested in Ethiopian politic. It beats Somali political scene. Same individuals but change groups constantly.

I can't believe the Tigrayans control the transportation, manufacturing and several other industries in Ethiopia..

BTW, the famine in Ethiopia. What areas are affected??

[The Nomad]

Thanks, Nomand. I am very interested in Ethiopian politic. It beats Somali political scene. Same individuals but change groups constantly.

I can't believe the Tigrayans control the transportation, manufacturing and several other industries in Ethiopia..

BTW, the famine in Ethiopia. What areas are affected??

Yes, it's very dynamic

Interestingly, Tigray is one of the worst afflicted according to The Economist:

The UN and foreign charities are predicting a large-scale famine in Tigray, Mr Meles’s home region, by November. At least 6m people may need food handouts unless more supplies can be found locally.

http://www.economist.com/world/middleea ... d=14222265

All of Ethiopia is highly susceptible to famine due to it's climate and geographical location, Tigray is one of the most affluent, so I'd imagine it's worse in other areas.

[Oxidant]

Another question, my brother Nomad.

Is it true when Ethiopia suffer 123,000 casualties in the Eritrean war most of them were Oromos. And that they used human wave tactic

[The Nomad]

Another question, my brother Nomad.

Is it true when Ethiopia suffer 123,000 casualties in the Eritrean war most of them were Oromos. And that they used human wave tactic

Yes, saxib. Oromo have historically, and even to this day make up a substantial part of the Ethiopian military, naturally that's explainable by their size, but Oromo made up the vast majority of minesweepers and other less prestigious jobs which were accompanied by high morality rates, hence the majority of casualties being Oromo.

One of the primary arguments from Oromo secessionists is that the Habesha elite has shown no inclination to accept them as equals and would rather pay lip service about Ethiopian unity, equality, etc. while in reality they see them as no more than cannon fodder.

Here's a (heavily biased) link which attests to this: http://www.oromia.org/hqloltu3.htm

[Oxidant]

Another question, my brother Nomad.

Is it true when Ethiopia suffer 123,000 casualties in the Eritrean war most of them were Oromos. And that they used human wave tactic

Yes, saxib. Oromo have historically, and even to this day make up a substantial part of the Ethiopian military, naturally that's explainable by their size, but Oromo made up the vast majority of minesweepers and other less prestigious jobs which were accompanied by high morality rates, hence the majority of casualties being Oromo.

One of the primary arguments from Oromo secessionists is that the Habesha elite has shown no inclination to accept them as equals and would rather pay lip service about Ethiopian unity, equality, etc. while in reality they see them as no more than cannon fodder.

Here's a (heavily biased) link which attests to this: http://www.oromia.org/hqloltu3.htm

Thanks for the info

[The Nomad]

No problem

It's always good to see Somalis taking an interest in regional politics, particularly the countries which border us, since it gives us a greater understanding of our situation and where we're headed.

[suga_delic]

is it tru 60% of Ethiopians r muslim?

[Aliyyi Oromada]

The article is rubbish. If you guys want real talk,

The problem with Oromos (muslim Oromos) is not loyalty to habashas, but misplacement of loyalty in general. To be specific;

They enslaved themselves to an ideology of unity with christian Oromos who in their hearts have a soft spot for ethiopia. It's been seen has modern and progressive to have christians in the leadership (ie. the OLF's christian leadership of 30 years and counting). And movements who refused to accept christians (ie. IFLO) were branded backwards, anti-unity, & dividers of Oromos based on religion etc. (as if that were negative), parading around phrases like "religion is for the individual, while nationality is for the nation". And such people are those whom Allah targets for humiliation.

Two classic examples of this is in the horn was when the ELF (Eritrean Muslim resistance in the 60's/70's) founded by Idris Hamid Awate started accepting christians, who later stole their weapons and turned against them (Isayas Afwarqi), and the OLF founded by Sheikh Abdulkarim Ibrahim, accepted christians (in the 70's), who later sewed disunity among them which collapsed the organization, then they seized power, and began to sabotage the movement, resulting finally with the humiliating capitulation in the 90's which brought the TPLF to power. Simply put, Allah humiliated them. Shid, it pains me to tell this story but, I was watching an 18 year old video of IFLO (Oromo Islamic group) entering Harar city when mengistu regime collapsed, one mujahid stood on truck and screamed to the crowd "TAKBEER". The crowd replied "Abbaan biyya Oromoo dha, Abbaan biyya Oromoo dha!" (The fathers of the land are the Oromo! The fathers of the land are the Oromo!). No concept of al walaa wal baraa. And those who do not have this concept end up being humiliated in the end. Things have changed tho, especially after 9/11 many have snapped out of their hypnosis.

[The Nomad]

^

Very interesting. An Islamic revitalization would ensure Oromo claim their rightful place, the issue is the improbability of that happening in the near future.

May Allah be with you, anyway

[bareento]

The article is rubbish. If you guys want real talk,

The problem with Oromos (muslim Oromos) is not loyalty to habashas, but misplacement of loyalty in general. To be specific;

They enslaved themselves to an ideology of unity with christian Oromos who in their hearts have a soft spot for ethiopia. It's been seen has modern and progressive to have christians in the leadership (ie. the OLF's christian leadership of 30 years and counting). And movements who refused to accept christians (ie. IFLO) were branded backwards, anti-unity, & dividers of Oromos based on religion etc. (as if that were negative), parading around phrases like "religion is for the individual, while nationality is for the nation". And such people are those whom Allah targets for humiliation.

Two classic examples of this is in the horn was when the ELF (Eritrean Muslim resistance in the 60's/70's) founded by Idris Hamid Awate started accepting christians, who later stole their weapons and turned against them (Isayas Afwarqi), and the OLF founded by Sheikh Abdulkarim Ibrahim, accepted christians (in the 70's), who later sewed disunity among them which collapsed the organization, then they seized power, and began to sabotage the movement, resulting finally with the humiliating capitulation in the 90's which brought the TPLF to power. Simply put, Allah humiliated them. Shid, it pains me to tell this story but, I was watching an 18 year old video of IFLO (Oromo Islamic group) entering Harar city when mengistu regime collapsed, one mujahid stood on truck and screamed to the crowd "TAKBEER". The crowd replied "Abbaan biyya Oromoo dha, Abbaan biyya Oromoo dha!" (The fathers of the land are the Oromo! The fathers of the land are the Oromo!). No concept of al walaa wal baraa. And those who do not have this concept end up being humiliated in the end. Things have changed tho, especially after 9/11 many have snapped out of their hypnosis.

Hii Aliyyi,

Very nice analysis
But believe me Islam is not the solution for Oromos problem!
I find your analysis and the one did by Nomad, complementary.

Aliyyi, if only u knew why we used to respond "abbaan biyyaa oromoo dha"
Today, young Oromos r challenging old ways of doing things and the so called "leaders".
Its to be hoped they will come up with new mobilizing ideas

Peace

B

[bareento]

is it tru 60% of Ethiopians r muslim?

Suga_Declic,

No its rather close to 45-50%;

B

[hanqadh]

So what is the current state of the OLF?

I hear there seems to be alot of disunity for example, General kamal leads his own OLF while OLF formal leader daud leads another?

The way forward is for the OLF to band with the ONLF, AFAR LFP, Sidama liberation, etc leaving out the Highlanders even the Amhara's in opposition at the moment.
the numbers are with us, if we have the political will, Ethiopia will crumble under our feet.