If you really hated Ethiopia, you'd support Tigray

[Meles]

The TPLF manifesto: http://www.denden.com/Conflict/tplf-manifesto-98.htm

Meles is Axmed Gurey's heir, he's in the process of finishing what our Imam started

[Meles]

Because nobody's going to read all that, this is what they want:

1. A separate Tigray, with command of the Assab port.
2. The degeneration of Ethiopia, resulting in eventual civil war.

I'd have thought with their views being compatible with ours, Somalia would have endorsed the Tigray. If not for petty clan issues, we'd be sitting pretty while Ethiopia self-destructed right now.

[gurey25]

The amhara and the Tigray are both attempting to use Eritrea to further thier goals and inshallah eritrea will come out of this struggle a survivor
and ethiopia will collapse.

The questions is when the two groups of imperialists struggle for power and ethiopia is collapsing will the Oromos do something about it,
will they take this golden chance?

history proves that the Oromoa are incapable of saving thier own skin and it it more likely that a rejuvenated amhara will take over the Imperial crown
of the Ethiopian empire after the Tigray have had thier day in the sun.

[LobsterUnit]

2019- Adiss Ababa and Harar brought under the Islamic emirates of Horn Africa, after khat is banned in Burco and Haregeysa.

[hanqadh]

That is true, Meles is not Interested in Ethiopian Unity, on the contrary the Amhara's wish to revive the old pre-meles border's within ethiopia which Ethnicity was given no regard...Meles Introduced this system of ethnic federalism and the article which dictates any Ethnicity can seek self-determination as their constitutional right. It plays into his Tigray project, of creating a Tigre state in the inevitable fall of Ethiopia. He's been stacking that paper since 1991 and he continues to buy time.So its correct to say with the Amhara, we do have a common foe, we dont want to see them back, they dont want to be dominated by them again...Should we support him, No, should we continue with efforts to oust him, Yes...the Simple answer being we dont see the difference between him and the amhara, they both have the same policy towards us, but we would love to see the highlanders kill each other politically at the moment and hopefully soon hunt each other in the mountains.

When the Fall of Ethiopia Comes we'll put up strong barriers and by the time its back on its feet we will be long gone.

[gurey25]

That is true, Meles is not Interested in Ethiopian Unity, on the contrary the Amhara's wish to revive the old pre-meles border's within ethiopia which Ethnicity was given no regard...Meles Introduced this system of ethnic federalism and the article which dictates any Ethnicity can seek self-determination as their constitutional right. It plays into his Tigray project, of creating a Tigre state in the inevitable fall of Ethiopia. He's been stacking that paper since 1991 and he continues to buy time.So its correct to say with the Amhara, we do have a common foe, we dont want to see them back, they dont want to be dominated by them again...Should we support him, No, should we continue with efforts to oust him, Yes...the Simple answer being we dont see the difference between him and the amhara, they both have the same policy towards us, but we would love to see the highlanders kill each other politically at the moment and hopefully soon hunt each other in the mountains.

When the Fall of Ethiopia Comes we'll put up strong barriers and by the time its back on its feet we will be long gone.

The question is ..are we ready for the fall of Ethiopia?
will we be in a position to benefit from it??

I believe in an eventual civil war and disintegration of Ethiopia, the amhara will be back on top with massive assistance from the US and its allies.
They need to insure christian dominance of Ethiopia.

[gurey25]

The Oromo are too divided, too sensible , too logical and good hearted

we need to inject some somali traits like unreasonable arrogance and bloodlust and predatory instincts.

The amhara share those with us..

[hanqadh]

The Ahmara will be faced with profound obstacle's, it will not be a smooth transition.

They will have to face Rebels armed to the teeth and they dont have the military capacity to battle all at once...and the West is now aware of the political environment of Ethiopia....their will be negotiations and The Somali region will be in a confortable position to make demands, With a vital role in bringing Ethiopia down and as the most resource rich region, OUR emancipation from the Axmaar will be enevitable,...In 91 we wasted our resource's in 77, and had nothing, this time we will be ready.


The majority of Ethiopians have woken up, we make up the Majority (oromo,afar,sidama,gambella, the gurage confed, somali,etc) and highlanders will not trespass again.

[bareento]

The Oromo are too divided, too sensible , too logical and good hearted

we need to inject some somali traits like unreasonable arrogance and bloodlust and predatory instincts.

Hi Gurey, I see your point....
We Oromos do not have the characterisks of middle easterners...hate,arrogance, bloodthirstiness;
but mind u we left our old religion, in some years we will catch u up, u amharas and somalis; and we might even
show up with an arab or jewish genealogy

On more serious mode,
In Ethiopia there r three main contradictions
i) the power struggle among the Habesha (Tigre vs Amhara)....this struggle is reaching/will reach its climax in short time
ii) the emanicipation movements of Southern Peoples and Oromos (one might include Ogadenis in this case)....these movements r not very much developped for the time being but can be a threat to the country if not solved
iii) the old Somali dream of conquering Ethiopia or its smaller version annexing big chunk of Oromia...this is a dream; Somalis will never take power in Ethiopia, because they r seen as archetypal aliens if not foes.

In my opinion, and history shows, Amharas r nthg without Oromos, but they can play a nasty trick to the tigreans by allying themselves with Oromos;
the question is to see wat will be the tigreans move to counter if this alliance is created? Tigre-Somali alliance ; Tigre-Amhar?

Peace

B.

[ModerateMuslim]

history proves that the Oromoa are incapable of saving thier own skin and it it more likely that a rejuvenated amhara will take over the Imperial crown
of the Ethiopian empire after the Tigray have had thier day in the sun.

see, this is the problem. the useless oromos aren't bothered by their slave status.

[gurey25]

Somalis are on the fringes and will not be major players in this struggle.
If a Somalia existed while the comming Ethiopian troubles happen then we would have had a much bigger role.

The most likely scenario is that the Amahara will ally with various oromo groups and use them as leverage to regain the empire for thier branch of the habash.
They both want to restart a war with Eritrea and do not care if they win or lose becuase from the loss they can use the insuing chaos to attempt a takeover.

While the Tigray expect that the Amhar and Oromo will do the heavy lifting in any comming war, like they did before and the casualties will weaken both thier potential foes.

[gurey25]

The Oromo are too divided, too sensible , too logical and good hearted

we need to inject some somali traits like unreasonable arrogance and bloodlust and predatory instincts.

Hi Gurey, I see your point....
We Oromos do not have the characterisks of middle easterners...hate,arrogance, bloodthirstiness;
but mind u we left our old religion, in some years we will catch u up, u amharas and somalis; and we might even
show up with an arab or jewish genealogy

On more serious mode,
In Ethiopia there r three main contradictions
i) the power struggle among the Habesha (Tigre vs Amhara)....this struggle is reaching/will reach its climax in short time
ii) the emanicipation movements of Southern Peoples and Oromos (one might include Ogadenis in this case)....these movements r not very much developped for the time being but can be a threat to the country if not solved
iii) the old Somali dream of conquering Ethiopia or its smaller version annexing big chunk of Oromia...this is a dream; Somalis will never take power in Ethiopia, because they r seen as archetypal aliens if not foes.

In my opinion, and history shows, Amharas r nthg without Oromos, but they can play a nasty trick to the tigreans by allying themselves with Oromos;
the question is to see wat will be the tigreans move to counter if this alliance is created? Tigre-Somali alliance ; Tigre-Amhar?

Peace

B.

Bareento these traits are not middle eastern,
they are somali, you would be insulting us if you infer that .
Somalis consider arabs effeminate , not manly enough and not capable of the necessary level of violence that we see as natural.

You sued to have these millitaristic traits but you seem to have lost them.
So the best source is from your somali cousins...
we need each other..

we need your common sense and sense of community , and you need our predatory instincts.

[hanqadh]

Your all over-exaggerating on the power the Amhara posess.

An ONLF/OLF/Sidama/Afar Alliance will do, with the either one of the Tigre and Amhara siding with this group, Currently the Amhara are playing both soft diplomacy with their Political movements, and hard-power with the EPPF.

The EPPF is not as strong militarily as the ONLF and politically, Zenawi has them on lock with a huge defeat this week, hailu shawel betraying their cause for material gains.
So They wonder in Exile, berhan Nega and the sorts.

It will be difficult for them to muster any kind of alliance with anyone now!.

Bareento no one is after oromo land, but we'd love you for once to show concern about your priorities as a people.

[bareento]

The Oromo are too divided, too sensible , too logical and good hearted

we need to inject some somali traits like unreasonable arrogance and bloodlust and predatory instincts.

Hi Gurey, I see your point....
We Oromos do not have the characterisks of middle easterners...hate,arrogance, bloodthirstiness;
but mind u we left our old religion, in some years we will catch u up, u amharas and somalis; and we might even
show up with an arab or jewish genealogy

B.

Bareento these traits are not middle eastern,
they are somali, you would be insulting us if you infer that .
Somalis consider arabs effeminate , not manly enough and not capable of the necessary level of violence that we see as natural.

You sued to have these millitaristic traits but you seem to have lost them.
So the best source is from your somali cousins...
we need each other..

we need your common sense and sense of community , and you need our predatory instincts.

Gurey,

Its my opinion that Oromos had the best military minds of Africa;
History tells us that Jeeqama Keelloo and his army made prisoner 8000 italians soldiers in Jimma. Italians can tell u about the Tulama Cavalry...

The introduction of Islam and Christianity was a major blow to us and put us in the worst POLITICAL CONFUSION, It took us more than a century to update our mindset from an innocent and peaceloving religion (WAAQEEFANNA) to Islam and Christianity;
and the horn should be prepared to welcome the sons of WAAQ all converted to machiavelism and practicing hate,arrogance, bloodthirstiness....masha allah

As for the ethiopian situation, I agree probably there will be a kind of alliance b/n amharas and oromos and there will be a sort of mildly oromonized ethiopian nationalism.

B

[Meles]

Hanqadh is correct, Amhara are currently just as disenfranchised as Oromo. They are not a threat.

Nobody is, it appears as if other ethnicities occupy powerful positions (hence making them feel safe), but they all report to the elite (7 Tigray).

Tigray are definitely not our allies, but a unified Ethiopia is more of a threat than an independent Tigray.