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Commanding British General who led the British-Somali war.

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Brigadier-General Hoskins

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I spent several months at a forsaken spot called Serenli, 400 miles from the coast when you travelled on the river, and joined the expedition of Brigadier-General Hoskins when he went right on into the Marehan country to try and talk the natives there out of the necessity for a military expedition to make them behave. Whilst Hoskins did the talking, I was quietly surveying the routes for the future expedition if it were found unavoidable. Thus, the expedition could take place with the minimum camel-loss from Surra.

However, Hoskins made no great impression upon the Marehan, and the expedition was decided upon. I was sent right down to the coast where I had to arrange the landing on an open beach, at Kismayu, of 350 camels of an Indian Camel Corps which was to take part. The Commanding Officer, the Native Officers and many of the men in this Camel Corps had known me well in India and were astonished to see me coming up the side of the ship in Kismayu harbour. We had to sling the camels from the hold of the ship into flat-bottomed river steamers which, when full of animals, were taken inshore and then the camels were slung out of these into the sea and had to swim the last bit. Kismayu harbour, although almost on the equator, is entirely free of sharks owing to its very narrow entrance through a gap in the coral-reef which closes it; and it was quite good fun taking headers into the luke-warm sea from the decks of these boats to try and get a little respite from the intense heat. Once landed, the camels had to be acclimatised to the strange new grazing plants of the country, but only three weeks was available for this and when the expedition moved off up-country, some of the animals had only just recovered from diarrhoea and indigestion due to the change in their diet.

I had a row with the Government at this time, having received peremptory orders from my Chief to join the expedition as Veterinary Officer. My status being Civilian, with no provision for the possibility of my becoming a casualty, nor any definition of my rank in a Military Expedition, nor any certainty of my status as to discipline, I refused this order unless it was first agreed on all sides that I was a civilian and nothing but a civilian and would take no orders from anyone as to my work, but only as to my movements. There was a lot of bobbery about this, but I got my way; I was always anxious to accompany the expedition because of my friends from India taking part in it, but I had no intention of being ordered into duties which rightly belonged to the Army Veterinary Corps, and that without proper serious consultation. I took the long convoy through the tse-tse country, and all camps, marches and arrangements for watering the camels at places infested by fly were carried out according to my advice. On arrival at Serenli, I was thanked by the Officer Commanding for "playing the game", but I often wondered what other game he thought I might have played! Some weeks later I returned to the coast, half the journey being performed by river, in a native canoe; I was accompanied by a British Officer who had "gone funny in the head" and the long journey wasn't easy on that account. After a few days, I was returning with a big convoy of camels with supplies for the troops up-country. But the long marches had told upon me; I had had sciatica very badly from overmarching

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There really should be a yawn icon, :roll: doesnt really cut it.
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It would be interesting to see if you ever say anything remotely intelligent.
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http://muse.jhu.edu/demo/northeast_afri ... impson.pdf
Meanwhile, Marehan levies conscripted to help the British with the seized Aulihan stock had scrambled off with many captured animals to the embarrassment of colonial officials. More importantly, this inability to control the Marehan illustrated just how little control the colonial state exercised on the northeast frontier. This example of Somali resistance certainly would make the British think twice about imposing their dictates in the northeast for some years to come. Indeed, the presence of so-called recalcitrant Somalis there had much to do with the nature of the cession of Jubaland to Italy in 1925. Potential Somali opposition to the imposition of taxation likewise delayed effective collection until the early-1930s.
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Yet, back in May, not everyone had been persuaded that the time was propitious to reoccupy Serenli. Most importantly, Lieutenant General Arthur Reginald Hoskins, who had replaced Smuts as Commander-in-Chief of East African Forces in January, had demurred. Lettow's Schutztruppe by then had been pushed far south below the Rufiji River so that Hoskins's reasons for hesitation had mainly to do with the situation in the northeastern frontier. He wondered if Barrett had all the information he needed, and expressed concern about the reliability of the colonel's sources. When Hoskins further considered the number of troops that would be necessary to retake and hold Serenli, he decided to oppose the proposed action. Fortuitously, it was at that very time that Field Marshal Sir William Robertson, pressured by Smuts and apparently hoping to appease South African political interests, relieved Hoskins of his command in East Africa and replaced him with an Afrikaner, Lieutenant General Louis Jacobus van Deventer. 107 Charles Bowring believed he saw an opportunity to reestablish British prestige in the north and moved to assert himself on the issue with his chief opponent out of the way. He turned to London and asked that the matter be put before the War Office and be treated as urgent. 108 Referring the question to the military command for its views, the CO took Bowring's side in the matter, reasoning that, "An adequate show of force [was] the only thing that [would] keep the frontier tribes in order." 109
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Voltage wrote:It would be interesting to see if you ever say anything remotely intelligent.

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You know I have a theory. You guy's post alot of historical articles about Marexaan from western colonials (how accurate is questionable) credit to you guy's for finding the time and energy to search for these articles. I personally dont have the time or the need to look for sources from white people in the 1800's to prove my qabils worth. My qabils history is in oral form gabay's many of them are made about our victories and defeats. Why are there no gabay's about marexaan history? Are they not able to perform this most basic somali art form? I have my theory about that, but another time...

Anyway going back to my theory on why Marexaan are mentioned more then any other tribe in the south by the colonials its due to them being new age somalis, thus still being bantu at the time. So the White colonials would call every dark flat nosed african inhabitants of the south Marexaan. :up:
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Vo--- :x this is disappointing! :x They are NOT archaic journals! :cry: 1900s??
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Finally there are the Bon-a Somali word meaning "outcast." These are all that remain of a primitive race, very similar to the Australian aborigine. They are absolute animals and have, for instance, no sense of possession. They live by hunting, though the Kenya Government is pursuing a policy of settling them in villages and making them take to agriculture. It is most unpopular! But these people are a real menace to the game and indulge in much ivory poaching. Those to be found in Jubaland are only south of the Lak Dera, as slaves of the various Somali sections. They are the folk to get for guides and game-tracking, but are shy and very difficult to handle
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GENERAL_SNM wrote:You know I have a theory. You guy's post alot of historical articles about Marexaan from western colonials (how accurate is questionable) credit to you guy's for finding the time and energy to search for these articles. I personally dont have the time or the need to look for sources from white people in the 1800's to prove my qabils worth. My qabils history is in oral form gabay's many of them are made about our victories and defeats. Why are there no gabay's about marexaan history? Are they not able to perform this most basic somali art form? I have my theory about that, but another time...

Anyway going back to my theory on why Marexaan are mentioned more then any other tribe in the south by the colonials its due to them being new age somalis, thus still being bantu at the time. So the White colonials would call every dark flat nosed african inhabitants of the south Marexaan. :up:
That's brilliant. A remarkably intelligent observation and theory. Which peer reviewed journal are you going to get your research published?
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Voltage wrote:
GENERAL_SNM wrote:You know I have a theory. You guy's post alot of historical articles about Marexaan from western colonials (how accurate is questionable) credit to you guy's for finding the time and energy to search for these articles. I personally dont have the time or the need to look for sources from white people in the 1800's to prove my qabils worth. My qabils history is in oral form gabay's many of them are made about our victories and defeats. Why are there no gabay's about marexaan history? Are they not able to perform this most basic somali art form? I have my theory about that, but another time...

Anyway going back to my theory on why Marexaan are mentioned more then any other tribe in the south by the colonials its due to them being new age somalis, thus still being bantu at the time. So the White colonials would call every dark flat nosed african inhabitants of the south Marexaan. :up:
That's brilliant. A remarkably intelligent observation and theory. Which peer reviewed journal are you going to get your research published?

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Voltage wrote:
GENERAL_SNM wrote:You know I have a theory. You guy's post alot of historical articles about Marexaan from western colonials (how accurate is questionable) credit to you guy's for finding the time and energy to search for these articles. I personally dont have the time or the need to look for sources from white people in the 1800's to prove my qabils worth. My qabils history is in oral form gabay's many of them are made about our victories and defeats. Why are there no gabay's about marexaan history? Are they not able to perform this most basic somali art form? I have my theory about that, but another time...

Anyway going back to my theory on why Marexaan are mentioned more then any other tribe in the south by the colonials its due to them being new age somalis, thus still being bantu at the time. So the White colonials would call every dark flat nosed african inhabitants of the south Marexaan. :up:
That's brilliant. A remarkably intelligent observation and theory. Which peer reviewed journal are you going to get your research published?
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I'm glad you agree with me, I mean a guy like you who tells us day and night his brain is bigger then the rest of us complimenting my theory of the whitemans relationship with the boon confederation of the south commonly known as marexaan. :up:
I would like to know why you guy's assume that your history is somehow better then anyone else's in the colonial era. If its not Warsame101 on one of his powerful historical articles about the primitive savages who came to prominence on the back of that thieve with the wide mouth. Its Voltage and another article about you guessed it the same folks. WTF. People dont care or believe your history, you were no different then all the other somali's. You had your bad apples and your good, but dont come in here bringing up useless articles painting your qabil in a positive light everytime. That smells of insecurity..
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Voltage wrote:
GENERAL_SNM wrote:You know I have a theory. You guy's post alot of historical articles about Marexaan from western colonials (how accurate is questionable) credit to you guy's for finding the time and energy to search for these articles. I personally dont have the time or the need to look for sources from white people in the 1800's to prove my qabils worth. My qabils history is in oral form gabay's many of them are made about our victories and defeats. Why are there no gabay's about marexaan history? Are they not able to perform this most basic somali art form? I have my theory about that, but another time...

Anyway going back to my theory on why Marexaan are mentioned more then any other tribe in the south by the colonials its due to them being new age somalis, thus still being bantu at the time. So the White colonials would call every dark flat nosed african inhabitants of the south Marexaan. :up:
That's brilliant. A remarkably intelligent observation and theory. Which peer reviewed journal are you going to get your research published?
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When we bring FACTS from Somalis they say "they're biased" when we bring forth historical accounts from neutral non Somalis they reply with "well what do they know, they're just foreigners". Mindhaa kuwaan waxeey sugaayaan in magaca Mareexaan xadiisyada laga soo dhex saaro. Subxaanallaah.
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Why is this here?, it should be moved :roll:
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