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Somalia and the future of Religion

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Do you think the era of blindly following the clergy is over in Somalia?
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Re: Somalia and the future of Religion

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It is tough to say. I am myself am a Somali, am fairly religious and have strong religious conviction and yet still amazed that religion is the one thing that makes a Somali lay everything on the line for.

I have seen Somalis refuse to give qaaraan money, but I have even see single mothers dependent on welfare selling whatever gold they have to contribute to mosque building.
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No we are muslims and our country should be ruled under sharia laws, however I don`t support the fake Jihadists :down:
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Voltage wrote:It is tough to say. I am myself am a Somali, am fairly religious and have strong religious conviction and yet still amazed that religion is the one thing that makes a Somali lay everything on the line for.

I have seen Somalis refuse to give qaaraan money, but I have even see single mothers dependent on welfare selling whatever gold they have to contribute to mosque building.
I think the recent religious-driven war in Somalia has opened peoples' eyes to the true dangers men who claim to be working under God's command can inflict to society. Today in Somalia, young boys are forcefully being conscripted to join wars they have no understanding of, families are being broken and youth being indoctrinated and the last blocks of the country being systematically broken to further some arabian social theory.

In the long run, people will move away from these pseudo-religious maniacs and follow a path of reason and common-sense. Sadly, it will take a tragedy to achieve this paradigm
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Re: Somalia and the future of Religion

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somalis are changing their aqeeda from suufisme to salafi/wahhabi/najdi :up:

ditch ibn arabi for ibn taymiyyah :up:

wahhabisme :up:
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These shadowy figures put a dent on the people's trust. The people there need a reawakening since their religion has been hijacked. Faith is the only thing the people got left with.
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Xamud. wrote:No we are muslims and our country should be ruled under sharia laws, however I don`t support the fake Jihadists :down:
I don't think people have any problem with following the Sharia. The question is what kind of Sharia to follow. You don't want to have a situation where every village idiot wants to enforce his theories on justice and society upon the people at a check-point as is the case in our country today. Many things need to happen before we accept Sharia. Poverty has to be eliminated (and good luck with that), economic opportunities need to be created and our entire social psychology needs to be revamped. In sum, what we are looking at is a the entire rearrangement of the Somali society and the resurgence of an enlightened community that is can challenge the use of religion for personal gain.
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Re: Somalia and the future of Religion

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nomadicwarlord wrote:These shadowy figures put a dent on the people's trust. The people there need a reawakening since their religion has been hijacked. Faith is the only thing the people got left with.
As Shakespeare once famously said, the devil is quite capable of citing the Holy Scriptures for his personal gain. Men is inherently interest driven and consequently anything that is interest-driven is capable of committing serious fraud, even with religion. I think the situation in Somalia today makes this abundantly clear
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Twisted_Logic wrote:
Xamud. wrote:No we are muslims and our country should be ruled under sharia laws, however I don`t support the fake Jihadists :down:
I don't think people have any problem with following the Sharia. The question is what kind of Sharia to follow. You don't want to have a situation where every village idiot wants to enforce his theories on justice and society upon the people at a check-point as is the case in our country today. Many things need to happen before we accept Sharia. Poverty has to be eliminated (and good luck with that), economic opportunities need to be created and our entire social psychology needs to be revamped. In sum, what we are looking at is a the entire rearrangement of the Somali society and the resurgence of an enlightened community that is can challenge the use of religion for personal gain.

That`s true too some extent, misguided souls should be taught the the religion, after all they are being taken advantage of by these power hungry men.
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Re: Somalia and the future of Religion

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Twisted_Logic wrote:I think the recent religious-driven war in Somalia has opened peoples' eyes to the true dangers men who claim to be working under God's command can inflict to society. Today in Somalia, young boys are forcefully being conscripted to join wars they have no understanding of, families are being broken and youth being indoctrinated and the last blocks of the country being systematically broken to further some arabian social theory.

In the long run, people will move away from these pseudo-religious maniacs and follow a path of reason and common-sense. Sadly, it will take a tragedy to achieve this paradigm
Are you really in the Somali community dude? Somalis keep lamenting it is also the foreigners from Afghanistan and Pakistan who are messing things up but if it were up to their "regular good ole Al itihaad" things would be different.

This only opened the eyes of the people who wanted to open their eyes, majority are as still pro-Islamic movement as they were before.
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Re: Somalia and the future of Religion

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Voltage wrote:
Twisted_Logic wrote:I think the recent religious-driven war in Somalia has opened peoples' eyes to the true dangers men who claim to be working under God's command can inflict to society. Today in Somalia, young boys are forcefully being conscripted to join wars they have no understanding of, families are being broken and youth being indoctrinated and the last blocks of the country being systematically broken to further some arabian social theory.

In the long run, people will move away from these pseudo-religious maniacs and follow a path of reason and common-sense. Sadly, it will take a tragedy to achieve this paradigm
Are you really in the Somali community dude? Somalis keep lamenting it is also the foreigners from Afghanistan and Pakistan who are messing things up but if it were up to their "regular good ole Al itihaad" things would be different.

This only opened the eyes of the people who wanted to open their eyes, majority are as still pro-Islamic movement as they were before.
It is not just the foreigners fighting in Somalia today that is exposing the fraudulent nature of the religious activists, but the increasing use of religion to further a divisive and very personal interest-driven ideologies. The strict and alien interpretation of Islam in our country by men financed by outsiders shows in its very essence the vulnerability of religion and people are increasing becoming aware of the harm that can be caused in the name of religion.

With regards to majority being "pro-Islamic movement," there is no way to know this. No-one has carried any survey and determined what form of government they want to see in Somalia. Obviously, the vast majority of Somalis are Muslims and Islam plays a central role in our society, but the question of what kind of Islam/Sharia is appropriate for the Somali masses itself is very controversial as a religious minority of fanatics attempts to redraw the Somali religious arrangement. The wars being waged by Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jameeca is directly connected to a genuine feeling within this group that their way of life is under siege and aught to be defended.

In the future, it won't surprise me a bit to see majority of the Somali people saying, let's concentrate on development, justice, stability, government and prosperity before we tackle controversial issues like the imposition of Sharia or other allied religious requirements on our society. Somalis after-all are very rational people.
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Re: Somalia and the future of Religion

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Somalia's where blindly following "clergy"? where and when?
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Re: Somalia and the future of Religion

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i just don't understand how someone who believes in allah swt and the last day can entertain a discussion about islam and its people/society with someone like this twisted-murtad with all the kufr he's typing....smh.
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I wish all my people could live together in unity and harmony.

you dont see cadaan ppl, at eachother's throat because one is descented from Reer Belgium and the other is related to Habar Sweden!!!

You see how stupid it sounds when I put it like that?? That's how you lot look when you start that qabiil trash :down:

Man up, kids. :|
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Re: Somalia and the future of Religion

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Twisted_Logic wrote:Do you think the era of blindly following the clergy is over in Somalia?
No. There's no going back to past eras. The era of "blindly following the clergy" will pave the way for the establishment of the Caliphate, insha'Allah.
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