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Somali kids taken into foster care in NY

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:31 am
by Mad May
Somalian immigrant Malaika Sabtow raised five children in African refugee camps, surviving for 14 years without electricity, amid persistent drought and regular outbreaks of malaria and tuberculosis.

But none of those 14 years, she said, was as bad as the past five months in Buffalo.

That’s how long it has been since the Erie County Department of Social Services took all of her children —she now has six, including a nursing 2-month-old daughter — and placed them in a foster home for reasons Sabtow doesn’t understand.

Sabtow, 28, wishes she were back in Africa.

“At least I had the kids there,” she said through a translator, Imam Yahye Omar. “Here everything is good, but if they are taking the kids from you, Africa is better.”

Supporters of Sabtow claim the county was overzealous in taking away her children and are concerned she and her husband, Madhey

A. Khamis, are being treated unfairly because they are new to the country and don’t speak English.

Social Services Commissioner Carol Dankert said she could not comment on why the children were removed or whether they would be returned.

“We do want kids to be with their families whenever possible,” she said.

The case is tied up in Erie County Family Court, where Sabtow is being represented by Buffalo attorney Oscar Smukler.

“I think the kids have suffered immeasurably,” said Smukler. “We’re making a concerted effort to get the children back to their parents.”

Khamis received a letter in September from a county caseworker explaining that a report of suspected child abuse or maltreatment had been “indicated” — meaning credible evidence had been found to support “the determination that you maltreated or abused the child(ren) named in the report.”

Child Protective Services became involved following a July 30 incident in the rented family home on Chenango Street, in which Khamis allegedly beat his 8-year-old son, Abdi Abdi, with a belt and tied the boy’s hands and legs with rope after he misbehaved at school, according to friends of the family.

Corporal punishment is acceptable in Somalia, according to friends, who said Khamis didn’t intend to hurt his son.

“They already understand that what the man did is a no-no here,” said Osman Dualeh Abdullah, a longtime Buffalo resident who is from Somalia.

Abdullah and others, including Omar, imam of the Islamic Cultural Association of Western New York, which runs a mosque on Connecticut Street, have tried to intervene on behalf of the family.

“Child Protective Services, they don’t know the culture. They need to be educated,” said Omar. “There is a lot of abuse going on in America, but not with these people. Kids are the most valuable thing they have in the world.”

Dawoud S. Adeyola, vice president of the Connecticut Street mosque, wrote a letter to Dankert saying the family has been subjected to “brutal punishment” by the department and urging the placement of the children either with their mother or with a family that understands their language and culture.

Re: Somali kids taken into foster care in NY

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:33 am
by Mad May
Bastards dont deserve to be parents.. Acuudubillah, tying up an 8yr old and then whipping him with a belt? I bet he gave the poor kid the buckle end :shock:
Here's the moms:
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Laakin they should of found Muslim parents for the kids.
According to Omar, Mustaffa told his mother that the people he was living with would not allow him to practice Islam.

A daughter, Fatuma, 11, also has not been allowed to wear the traditional Muslim head scarf, Omar said.

And none of the children was able to participate in Ramadan, the Muslim holy month, he said.

Child Protective Services works closely with the area’s four refugee resettlement agencies to make sure staff members understand cultural differences, said Dankert.

“Certainly there are different beliefs held by different cultures, and we have to work to navigate those,” she said.

Re: Somali kids taken into foster care in NY

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:13 am
by Koronto77
Poor Somali Bantus. A similar thing happened to another Somali Bantu family here a few months ago.

You shouldn't hasten to judge people you don't know.

Re: Somali kids taken into foster care in NY

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:15 am
by AbdiWahab252
Koronto:

Its quite sad. A verbal warning should have been enough.

Re: Somali kids taken into foster care in NY

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:28 am
by GeoDesic
My prayers go out to this family. I can not imagine the agony this mother holding her kid's picture goes through each day her kids aren't home. Most cruel punishment on an innocent human being.

Re: Somali kids taken into foster care in NY

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:47 am
by Pirate Nayaa
Mad May wrote:Bastards dont deserve to be parents.. Acuudubillah, tying up an 8yr old and then whipping him with a belt? I bet he gave the poor kid the buckle end :shock:
Here's the moms:
Image
Laakin they should of found Muslim parents for the kids.
According to Omar, Mustaffa told his mother that the people he was living with would not allow him to practice Islam.

A daughter, Fatuma, 11, also has not been allowed to wear the traditional Muslim head scarf, Omar said.

And none of the children was able to participate in Ramadan, the Muslim holy month, he said.

Child Protective Services works closely with the area’s four refugee resettlement agencies to make sure staff members understand cultural differences, said Dankert.

“Certainly there are different beliefs held by different cultures, and we have to work to navigate those,” she said.

she looks like african-american :!:

Re: Somali kids taken into foster care in NY

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:53 am
by HELWAA
Subxanallah...nothing good comes out of abuse...dadkan somalida yaa ka dhaadhciya wadankiini ma joogtan ee caruurta iska dhaafa.. :x

Re: Somali kids taken into foster care in NY

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:02 pm
by SummerRain
Dee Somali inkaar alle aya heesata..wa daad la dayacey caaro alle daradeed. :down:

Re: Somali kids taken into foster care in NY

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:04 pm
by Mad May
Koronto77 wrote:Poor Somali Bantus. A similar thing happened to another Somali Bantu family here a few months ago.

You shouldn't hasten to judge people you don't know.
Yeah, laakiin they admitted to the abuse and instead of exhibiting remorse they claim that this is African daqan :roll:
The only ones I feel sorry for are the kids, abused by their parents and then let down by the state :down:

Re: Somali kids taken into foster care in NY

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:41 pm
by FAH1223
HELWAA wrote:Subxanallah...nothing good comes out of abuse...dadkan somalida yaa ka dhaadhciya wadankiini ma joogtan ee caruurta iska dhaafa.. :x
Thats not abuse, thats discipline and a lot of Somali families need to discipline their kids.

My mom beat me and tied me up as well, left me in the basement in the dark. :lol:

Re: Somali kids taken into foster care in NY

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:43 pm
by Mad May
:shock:

Re: Somali kids taken into foster care in NY

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:45 pm
by FAH1223
Mad May wrote::shock:
real talk, kids need to have their day lights beat out of them when they do stupid stuff.

My father has always been about "Talking" it over... he rarely beat us, but "Grounding" and putting your kids on probation does not work. :down: That is some White family bullshid.

Re: Somali kids taken into foster care in NY

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:55 pm
by Basra-
and we should care because.......... :| :roll:

Re: Somali kids taken into foster care in NY

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:56 pm
by Cumar-Labasuul
All you ever here from white families are "kevin go to your room", but what is really needed is "waar/naa suunkeydi meeday". If those words don't scare your kids then your in big trouble., alxamdulillah I was brought up disciplined. :up: :lol:

Re: Somali kids taken into foster care in NY

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:07 pm
by Mad May
FAH1223 wrote:
Mad May wrote::shock:
real talk, kids need to have their day lights beat out of them when they do stupid stuff.

My father has always been about "Talking" it over... he rarely beat us, but "Grounding" and putting your kids on probation does not work. :down: That is some White family bullshid.
Yeah but, I want my kids to respect me not fear me. Although I did get beats as a child, that wasnt what made me behave, it was what came after the filo that mattered. Talking, emotional blackmail, actual blackmail etc, thats how you parent :up: