Somali genetic genealogy, my attempt at subclades

James Dahl · Post by **James Dahl** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:55 pm

I've recently gotten into this sort of stuff with a genetic genealogy group in Denmark, Danish Demes.

Like Somalis, historically we never had surnames, so surname projects don't really make any sense, but I like the approach so I decided to try it with Somali "Demes"

I've identified 10 haplogroup E1b1b1a1b Somali "Demes", 1 haplogroup E1b1b1a2 "Deme" and 1 haplogroup T "Deme".

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... utput=html

The data I found from ysearch.org and the Danish study which tested 201 Somali men in Denmark.

Pretty incomplete data really. There is only one person who has tested for more than 12 markers. I don't even know what clan most of these fellows hail from.

It would be pretty cool to be able to actually identify like a "Modal Darood" or "Modal Hawiye" but it's a ways away from that sort of thing that's for sure.

James Dahl · Post by **James Dahl** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:05 pm

The names I've given the Demes are temporary and arbitrary, one day hopefully I can give them better names.

kaasje7 · Post by **kaasje7** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:06 pm

somalis are white

James Dahl · Post by **James Dahl** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:29 pm

I've emailed the researcher who conducted the original test, maybe she can help.

Voltage · Post by **Voltage** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:51 pm

I don't understand what you're talking about but why would Somalis need surnames when they have the clan system?

Murax · Post by **Murax** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:56 pm

I'm confused, James what is the Somali's "grouping" that You've seen?

James Dahl · Post by **James Dahl** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:34 pm

Voltage wrote:I don't understand what you're talking about but why would Somalis need surnames when they have the clan system?

They don't need surnames at all, I was just referring to how most genealogical projects are surname-centric.

The groupings are Y-DNA lineage groups from a common ancestor, basically they're clans. I'm trying to find out if I can find the "modal haplogroup" for the various major clans

James Dahl · Post by **James Dahl** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:36 pm

Murax wrote:I'm confused, James what is the Somali's "grouping" that You've seen?

It's not grouping really, it's just people who have the same Y-dna markers that the researcher in question tested.

Murax · Post by **Murax** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:37 pm

James Dahl wrote:
Murax wrote:I'm confused, James what is the Somali's "grouping" that You've seen?
It's not grouping really, it's just people who have the same Y-dna markers that the researcher in question tested.

Through all this genetics stuff, who do Somalis most closey resemble?

James Dahl · Post by **James Dahl** » Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:22 pm

Murax wrote:
James Dahl wrote:
Murax wrote:I'm confused, James what is the Somali's "grouping" that You've seen?
It's not grouping really, it's just people who have the same Y-dna markers that the researcher in question tested.

Through all this genetics stuff, who do Somalis most closey resemble?

Well that's what I'm trying to find out. There hasn't been enough research to get definitive answers.

Abdihaliim · Post by **Abdihaliim** » Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:43 am

Most of them belongs to subclade E1b1b1a1b V23+. Characteristic marker values: DYS19=11, DYS392=12
Here are some arabs who are also V32+

http://www.arabdnaproject.com/y-results-E1b1b1-M35.htm

Are these arabs from somalia? or somalis from them?

James Dahl · Post by **James Dahl** » Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:02 pm

Neither, none of them are E1b1b1a1b.

They are distantly related through some ancient ancestor though.

Hyperactive · Post by **Hyperactive** » Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:12 pm

James excuse my ignorence, how once can take the test?

Abdihaliim · Post by **Abdihaliim** » Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:13 pm

i thought that, "Al-Qasimi - Al-Sharqiya" is V32+

ToughGong · Post by **ToughGong** » Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:17 pm

JAMES; WHAT EXACTLY DOES THE TERM "SOMALID" MEAN
I SEE THAT IN A LOT OF FORUMS WHERE GENEOLAGY IS THE SUBJECT

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