A discussion about Somalia

[The_Patriot]

First and foremost its a beautiful country without its people.
Somalia had its chance of becoming one of Africa's leading nations but it failed simply because its people were not honest and attributes like patriotism seems to be conditional to how many seats or influence a person's clan has in the Somali govt/political sphere.

Somalia is a country created by colonialists and has all the reasons to fail. Historically there has been no central authority between the North and the South of Somalia and thus each regions developed their own culture.

The northerners are frank and are not used to being sly and they were colonised by the Brits while the South was colonised by the Italians and are very sly.
though in the North there was colaboration with the colonialists while others resorted to fighting them the bottom line is they had a better life as the colonialsit did not leave a legacy that was ingrained into their culture.

In the South however the Italian colonisation had become ingrained into the culture as the Italians created an apatheid system and some parts some somalis were engaged in forced labour.

Hoever it can also be argued that the South become viable and self sustaining after the post colonialsim era sisnce the Italians had constructed alot of infrustructure and introduced mass farming like plantations. So did the south rebuild the North? as the North was mostly left un developed by the Brits.

The answer is No and Yes and mostly No since When the two regions were merging the UN had allocated large sums of Money for the development of the North but questions arise as to whether this funds were utilised in the most appropriate ways or were they embezzled?

Seems like after independence Somalia enjoyed a relatively a semblance of democracy under Aden Cade. After that it seems like the country was steered by leaders who were were heavily influenced by nepotism and this ushered in the decadence of this emerging country.There was however a short period of joy when MSB took over in the bloodless coup and it seems that the political atmosphere changed alot in the mid 70's where nepotism was reintroduced and slowly barrowed through the system.
The 1977 war happened and questions are to be asked was the war genuine or not? Cos in many pics you would see somali leaders shaking hands with their supposed enemies prior and after the war.

In the early 80's Somalia experienced a cold war between respective Somali politicians which turned into real conflicts after its leaders decided to incite ethnic tensions among peaceful communities in a bid of divide and rule strategy. Alot of attrocities were commited and the one that had the highest impact was the one that was commited against the Northerners who were Somali citizens.

In 1990's Somalia was engulfed in a civil war and the capital was destroyed and it is quite disturbing to see how the beautiful country was turned into ruins by its people and land marks resembled roman buildings. Seems like the country that was less than 30 yrs old had become an archeological site.

The era of the warlords ensued and what was seen as the only hope(2006) was infact a Funeral of Somalia and seems like a country that had died in 1991 was yet awaiting to be buried and it happened in 2006.

The country currently is under bantustants the North wanting to susceed while North East region declared a self autonomy. The deep south is ruled by religous fanatics and the only hope for Somalia lies in a man without any credentials with the name Sh Sharif( has no secular nor religous education fledged with the fact that he has no political experience and is just another mistake awaiting to happen among the major mistakes that transpired).

When we talk about someone good example Obama ,he is well educated and had some experience while working as a senator. He also has a credible team that is entirely called the Obama administration.

As for Sharif he is an individual (forgeting about his background lets look inot his administration ) some people want to force us beleive that he is the Messiah not only that his adminsitration is composed of people or persons that had direclty contributed to the civil war and opportunists who would do anything to amass wealth.

I ask the supporters of Sharif to provide me with even one sound reason how he is different from C/Yussuf (P.S without any prejudice of clanism). I dont know how to end this but I want to say is its only the people who can reform Somalia it seems like Somalia political situation is like escaping the frying pan and jumping into the fire.
I am not saying that I am an expert in somali politics but this is my two cents perception of Somalias situation.
Lets hope for the best but lets not be fooled as once bitten twice shy or fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me.

[Basra-]

malaya wewe, huuna adaabu! Are u saying---the south moryaans are hooligan due to the contageous adoptation of their former colony host-- the mafia italians?????



How dare u yaqqee!

[guhad122]

The difference is Ina-Yeey is the first wife while Shariif is Min-Yareey of Mudane Males.

[AbdiWahab252]

Patriot,

Sasa kaka, chugulia moja Bin Laden ama Sheik Sharif ?

Kumbe ume sahwu, matatizo ya Somalia siyo kitu watu wao wana weza ku badilisha. Hiyo wakati ime malizika

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

The difference is that one was apostate and the other muslim

[Basra-]

Hutu

I agree, your savage moryaan ilma adeer cannot be human and therefore NOT muslims.

[The_Patriot]

Please do not hyjack this thread.
I want critics not hyjackers.
lets forget about fufu language for now

[Ganjaweed]

Mashallah patriot you've said everything that is happening in somalia. A mixture of seccessionists, pirates, religious fanatics and the same old mooryaan; and not one patriot among them. The seccessionists (my people) want to tear a chunk off, the pirates want to pillage it, the mooryaan want to keep it and exploit it and the fanatics want to give it away to afghans. I have said this time and time again, somalia needs an iron fist full of dollars not siyaad barre and certainly not a miskeen like sheikh "dugsiga hoose" sharif. Somalia needs Somaliland and Puntland to make a pact or alliance and to take back our country from mooryaans, pirates, kidnappers and corrupt politicians.

[xoogSADE14]

Somalia needs Somaliland and Puntland to make a pact or alliance and to take back our country from mooryaans, pirates, kidnappers and corrupt politicians.

lool

[Ganjaweed]

Somalia needs Somaliland and Puntland to make a pact or alliance and to take back our country from mooryaans, pirates, kidnappers and corrupt politicians.

lool

What's funny? I would've thought if anyone is gonna do it, those two states are the only ones with the potential. Certainly not the TFG .

[xoogSADE14]

What potential? The south is nothing like the north sxb. Its not settled by a few clans that are either all related or inter-marry alot. The Somali cannot be forced for long. We know that from experience.

[Ganjaweed]

What potential? The south is nothing like the north sxb. Its not settled by a few clans that are either all related or inter-marry alot. The Somali cannot be forced for long. We know that from experience.

Using an AK47 is not the only way to persuade someone. Besides I think relocating the capital to the north would be a good start. I don't care who I'm dealing with at the end of the day whether a Midhifle or Murursade, a somali is a somali. I'm sure there are enough people left in somalia who care about it's future. Cynicism isn't moving us forward, let's try pragmatism for once .

[luis1]

The Patriot:

The 1977 war happened and questions are to be asked was the war genuine or not? Cos in many pics you would see somali leaders shaking hands with their supposed enemies prior and after the war

There is not any question about Ogaden War,Somalia was defeated by cubans and ethiopians,period.

[xoogSADE14]

Painting rosy pictures isn't the same thing as being a pragmatist sxb. Let Somaliland enjoy their peace and continue developing their economy and infrastructure even if its in the hopes of one day achieving recognition (which every sane person knows will not happen). The same thing with Puntland (minus the whole recognition thing). Create two or three more regional governments in south and central Somalia. Hold a grand conference inside the country, preferrably somewhere in Puntland or Somaliland and have something similar to a truth and reconciliation conference. Then gather the leadership of each of the regional administrations and have them reach an agreement on how to govern Somalia.

Easier said than done, I know but if only the foreign meddling could be stopped long enough for what I wrote above to occur.

[oldenglish]

Maakhiris should have Arabized and ethnically slaughtered these Dirs who were given Islam by our swords.

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