Refutation For those who claim niqaab is not wajib

[SoMaLiSiZz]

Bissmeallah

Refutation For those who claim niqaab is not wajib and the face and hands of a woman can be seen by (ghairMahrrum) strange men.


Refutation from Shaikh Ibn Uthaymeen

This is taken from the book "Hijaab" by Shaikh Ibn Uthaymeen from Saudi Arabia. Printed by Madrasah Arabia Islamia Azaadville- South Africa.

Translated by Hafedh Zaheer Essack, Rajab 1416 (December 1995)

The Ulamah who are of the opinion that it is permissible to look at the face and hands of a strange woman (who is not mahrrum) say so mainly for the following reasons.

The hadeeth of Ayeshah (Radhiallaahu Ánha) when Asmaa (Radhiallaahu Ánha) the daughter of Abu Bakr came to the Rasulullaah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) while wearing thin clothing. He approached her and said: 'O Asmaa! When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands. But this hadeeth is WEAK because of 2 main weaknesses.

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There is no link between Ayeshah (Radhiallaahu Ánha) and Khalid bin Dareek, who narrated the hadith from her. And in every chain of narrators Khalid bin Dareek is mentioned.
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In the chain of narrators Sa'eed bin Basheer appears, who is known by most of the Muhaditheen as being a weak narrator.

This has been mentioned by Imaam Ahmad bin Hanbal (Rahimahullah), An-Nasai (Rahimahullah), Ibn Madeeni (Rahimahullah) and Ibn Ma'een (Rahimahullah). This is also why Imaam Bukhari (Rahimahullah) and Muslim (Rahimahullah) did not except this hadeeth to be in their books. (From Shaikh Ibn Uthaymeen in the book "Hijaab" pages # 17 and 18.)

We also have to see that the Muhadith Abu Dawood when he quoted this hadeeth put with it that it is Mursal (with a broken chain that does not lead up to the Sahabah).

(From The Book "Hijaab wa Safur" under the fatwaa of Shaikh Abdul Aziz Bin Bazz on Page #61. Also stated as being weak by Shaikh Nasiruddeen Al-Albaani in his Daeef Sunan Abu Dawud in Kitab-ul-Libas under hadeeth number 4092 (which is the original hadeeth number.)

An other thing that shows the weakness of this hadith is that after the ayah for hijab (Surah Al-Ahzaab – Verse #59) was revealed then the women of Sahaba wore a complete veil and covered the faces and hands. This includes Asmaa (Radhiallaahu Ánha) the daughter of Abu Bakr, who is supposed to have narrated this hadeeth. Asmaa (Radhiallaahu Ánha) covered herself completely including the face, this has been narrated in authentic hadeeth in Imaam Malik's "MUWATTA Book 20 Hadeeth # 20.5.16."

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Fe Aman Allah

[*sameerah*]

this is the only refutation for the niqab vs hijab argument?

women in the Prophets time wore niqab, and some wore xijab.

[*Proud_Muslimah*]

Assalamu Alaikum,

Sister, as far as I know the Niqaab is NOT wajib but rather a sunnah! There are a lot of Qur'anic verses as well as hadiths I can use to proof this but I'm in a rush at the moment so I will post it sometime this afternoon Insh'Allah.

Salam

[SomeGuy]

I am already fed up with, got tired and got sick of seen that sack ,"jawaan", you call Hijab. And now you gotta the nerve of talking niqab, "Ninja"?.


You bunch of Taliban fanatics made Islam look realy horrible and dreadful. Islam attire wasn't meant to be rediclued and looked like some beduin attire. In fact, there is this Hadith whcih says "Alahu Jamaalun wa yuxubu jamaal" which roughly means "Allah is pretty and likes the beauty". And Muslim person should look beautiful or handsome.


And you, Wahabis (aka Salafi)zealots, your men wear untrimmed she-goat bears and pants to ankles. And they run around with toothbrush sticking out from their mouths.

Not to mention, your brain-dead women wear sacks and elephant trunks in the name of hijand and niqab , respectively. What a shame!.

Alaa faxane foolxumo waa laga fogaadaaye!. You franchised Islam in a wrong way!


someguy

[*Proud_Muslimah*]

Assalamu Alaikum,

So Someguy, are you saying that a Muslim woman can walk around showing off her beauty to men who are NOT related to her?

BTW, please try to understand the saying you have quoted....it means something different to what you have just said. If Allah (SWT) wanted us (Muslim women) to not cover our hair (wear the hijab) as well as body figure.....I don't think there would have been a lot of Qur'anic verses telling the Muslimah to cover her beauty and protect her modesty!

"O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women to draw their outer garments around them (when they go out or are among men). That is better in order that they may be known (to be Muslims) and not annoyed..." (Qur'an 33:59)

"Say to the believing man that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that will make for greater purity for them; and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do.

"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; and that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands..." (Qur'an 24:30-31)

These verses from the Qur'an contain two main factors!

(1) A woman should not show her beauty or adornments

(2) and the head cover should be drawn so that it covers the hair, the neck and the bosom.

Are you going against Allah (SWT) laws?

I would advice you to learn your deen brother and I hope you do realise speaking without knowledge is not good (Islamically as well as the fact that it makes you look like an ignorant person...sorry to say)

SoMaLiSiZz, check your PM sis!

Salam

[SoMaLiSiZz]

Dear sisters some people are always trying to mislead the Muslims when infect they never even show any interest to learn more about our diin, I don’t like to debate with men so lemme go back to the facts.. Barak Allahu feekom

***Revelation of Al-Hijab

Hadith - Bukhari 1:148
The wives(Radyallahu canhoma) of the Prophet (may peace n blessings be upon him) used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqia at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. 'Umar (radyAllahu canho) used to say to the Prophet (peace n blessings be upon him) "Let your wives be veiled," but Allah's Apostle(peace n blessings be upon him) did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam'a the wife of the Prophet (peace n blessings be upon him) went out at 'Isha' time and she was a tall lady. 'Umar (Radyallahu Canho) addressed her and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda." He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-Hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of "Al-Hijab" (A complete body cover excluding the eyes).


The Noble Qur'an - Al-Ahzab 33:59
O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils)* all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

***the arabic word here is Jalabeeb (plural of Jalbaab), which is the loose outer garment that covers all a woman's body. It says here to use the Jalabeeb to cover all, and scholars say this means to use it to cover her head (agree upon by all scholars) and her face (agreed by many scholars, not all) and one or both eyes, in order for it to be known that she is a free woman and so not to be exposed to any harm.


Hadith - Bukhari 6:282
'Aisha (Radyallahu canho)used to say: "When (the Verse): 'They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms,' was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and covered their faces with the cut pieces."


Hadith - Abu Dawud, Narrated Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu'minin (radyaAllahu canho)
When the verse "That they should cast their outer garments over their persons" was revealed, the women of Ansar came out as if they had crows over their heads by wearing outer garments.

The lower half of the hijab is a garment that does not show the woman's figure. Jeans and certain obvious garments do not meet this requirement.

Hadith - Abu Dawud, Narrated Dihyah ibn Khalifah al-Kalbi (radyallahu canho)
The Apostle (peace n blessings be upon him) of Allah (peace n blessings be upon him) was brought some pieces of fine Egyptian linen and he gave me one and said: Divide it into two; cut one of the pieces into a shirt and give the other to your wife for veil. Then when he turned away, he said: And order your wife to wear a garment below it and not show her figure.

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Fe Aman Allah

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Someguy
Let the stupid bitches wear whatever they want. Who gives a shit? Certainly not me.

TRUE STROY - I'm not making this up. Last weak my wife and I were walking down Sukhamvite road in Bangkok. It's a very busy throughfare with lots of stores and hawkers and a fair amount of hookers. It also has an Arab / Pakistani quarter - a strange dichotomy which is probably begging for an Islamic terrorist attack. But anyway, as we were walking down the street, this girl walked by wearing a tight, form fitting pink top (had a nice rack too), a pink, knee length skirt, black combat boots with pink laces and a pink Hijab! I am not making this up. You had to see it to believe it. She was probably about 20 and I think she was a Thai Muslim. It was hillerious!

[SoMaLiSiZz]

[وَالَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ أَعْمَـلُهُمْ كَسَرَابٍ بِقِيعَةٍ يَحْسَبُهُ الظَّمْآنُ مَآءً حَتَّى إِذَا جَآءَهُ لَمْ يَجِدْهُ شَيْئاً]


(As for those who disbelieved, their deeds are like a mirage in a desert. The thirsty one thinks it to be water, until he comes up to it, he finds it to be nothing) (24:39).


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[أَوْ كَظُلُمَـتٍ فِى بَحْرٍ لُّجِّىٍّ يَغْشَـهُ مَوْجٌ مِّن فَوْقِهِ مَوْجٌ مِّن فَوْقِهِ سَحَابٌ ظُلُمَـتٌ بَعْضُهَا فَوْقَ بَعْضٍ إِذَآ أَخْرَجَ يَدَهُ لَمْ يَكَدْ يَرَاهَا وَمَن لَّمْ يَجْعَلِ اللَّهُ لَهُ نُوراً فَمَا لَهُ مِن نُورٍ ]


(Or (the state of a disbeliever) is like the darkness in a vast deep sea, overwhelmed by waves, topped by dark clouds, (layers of) darkness upon darkness: if a man stretches out his hand, he can hardly see it! And he for whom Allah has not appointed light, for him there is no light) (24:40).

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[وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَن يُجَـدِلُ فِى اللَّهِ بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ وَيَتَّبِعُ كُلَّ شَيْطَـنٍ مَّرِيدٍ ]


(And among mankind is he who disputes about Allah, without knowledge, and follows every rebellious (disobedient to Allah) Shaytan (devil) (devoid of every kind of good)) (22:3), and,


[ومِنَ النَّاسِ مَن يُجَـدِلُ فِى اللَّهِ بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ وَلاَ هُدًى وَلاَ كِتَـبٍ مُّنِيرٍ ]


(And among men is he who disputes about Allah, without knowledge or guidance, or a Book giving light (from Allah)) (22:8).

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«ثَلَاثٌ مَنْ كُنَّ فِيهِ كَانَ مُنَافِقًا خَالِصًا، وَمَنْ كَانَتْ فِيهِ وَاحِدَةٌ مِنْهُنَّ كَانَتْ فِيهِ خَصْلَةٌ مِنَ النِّفَاقِ حَتَّى يَدَعَهَا: مَنْ إِذَا حَدَّثَ كَذَبَ، وَإِذَا وَعَدَ أَخْلَفَ، وَإِذَا ائْتُمِنَ خَان»


(Whoever has the following three (characteristics) will be a pure hypocrite, and whoever has one of the following three characteristics will have one characteristic of hypocrisy, unless and until he gives it up. Whenever he speaks, he tells a lie. Whenever he makes a covenant, he proves treacherous. Whenever he is entrusted, he breaches the trust)

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Some ppl has a dark heart only Allah can guide them ..
Sobhan Allah

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[فَبِأَىِّ ءَالاءِ رَبِّكُمَا تُكَذِّبَانِ ]


(Then which of the blessings of your Lord will you both deny)



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FE Aman Allah

[FULL_MOON]

WOMEN DRESS CODE IN ISLAM

SOURCE:http://www.submission.org/dress4.htm

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INTRODUCTION:
God, the Most Gracious, Most Merciful, insists on making His
religion easy, practical and enjoyable for His true believers.
God also told us that those who reject Him or His books
are making life miserable for themselves and for their loved ones
who follow in their footsteps. He reminds us in the Quran that He
has placed no hardship on us in practicing our religion (see 22:78).

I hope that was providing assistance

بارك, جعله مقدس, رسم إشار

[*Proud_Muslimah*]

Assalamu Alaikum,

Good post brother Full Moon

Sister, SomaliSizz, JazakumAllahu kairan

Salam

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

"God, the Most Gracious, Most Merciful, insists on making His
religion easy, practical and enjoyable for His true believers.
God also told us that those who reject Him or His books
are making life miserable for themselves and for their loved ones
who follow in their footsteps. He reminds us in the Quran that He
has placed no hardship on us in practicing our religion (see 22:7"

You know I noticed that too. Everytime I am in a Muslim society I see a bunch of happy, go-lucky, carefree people. And everytime I am with kufrs everyone is depressed. Oh wait, maybe I have it reversed. Everytime I am in a Muslim society everyone is dour and up tight and everytime I am in a kufr society I see carefree, happy people. Hmmmmm..........

[The Law26]

[quote="*Proud_Muslimah*"]Assalamu Alaikum,

Good post brother Full Moon

Sister, SomaliSizz, JazakumAllahu kairan

Salam[/quote]

Proud

Although Hijaab is none of my business, did you read and understood Full Moon's cut and paste post? If yes you did, why did you give him the thumps up? Do you know who the submitters (submission) are? Those submitters (Submission) are anti-hadith, and believe that no Muslim should follow ahadiths, and they accuse those who do follow hadiths to be idol-worshipping, Istaqfurr-Allah. They are anti hijaab. I thought you were a neo-salafi. Did you become one of the submitters?

"(10) God does not need us to improve on His book, the Quran, but we
very much need Him for every aspect of our lives. Those who think
they have some improvement on the Quran are but asking for
recognition of their idols as gods besides the ONE and ONLY GOD.
Fabricated hadiths tried to add to Islam (Submission) what the
disbelievers thought God forgot to mention in the Quran."


"......In brief, hijab is a traditional dress and has nothing to do with
Islam or religion. In certain areas of the world, men are the ones
who wear the hijab while in others the women do."


"......None of these "Hijab" words are used in the Quran in reference to
what the traditional Muslims call today (Hijab) as a dress code for the
Muslim woman."

Maasha-Allah, sister you amaze me.

Or, maybe this is how you grasp Islam? You need to check closely what people write about Islam, and that means your own sect too. Glad that Globetrotter is not here, so he won't make a milleage of the mis-informed Jazaaka Allah gang. Someone should start a 101 course for Somalis here to distinguish and decipher Islamic posts.

[SoMaLiSiZz]

Bissmellah w Salto wa Salamo Cala Rasol Ellah

I am sure sister Proud Muslim did not read the full article of brother Full moon I am also giving brother Full-moon the same excuse, this article is anything but Islamic acuzubellah..

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I supplicate to Allah that Allah won’t make us among the hypocrites that looks for the faults of the Muslims but Rather true believers that looks for the excuses, and if we can’t find a single excuse for our Muslim brothers and sister then let us give them an excuse that they might have an excuse for them selves..

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I strongly advice my self n my fellow muslims to don’t cutt n pass things you are not 100% sure about that it is from the Quran and Sunnah.

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Never do I argue with a man with a desire to hear him say
what is wrong, or to expose him and win victory over him.
Whenever I face an opponent in debate I silently pray -
O Lord, help him so that truth may flow from his heart
and on his tongue, and so that if truth is on my side, he may follow me;
and if truth be on his side, I may follow him.
- Imam Ash-Shafi (rahimullah)

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As for the disbelievers that is always trying to make corruptions among Muslims years after years. My Time it to perches to me to debate with yall you know so much about islam yet u don’t wish to believe . Allah Has said about such people;


[وَالَّذِينَ كَذَّبُواْ بِـْايَـتِنَا صُمٌّ وَبُكْمٌ فِى الظُّلُمَـتِ]


(Those who reject Our Ayat are deaf and dumb in darkness.) due to their ignorance, little knowledge and minute comprehension. Their example is that of the deaf-mute who cannot hear nor speak, as well as being blinded by darkness. Therefore, how can such a person find guidance to the path or change the condition he is in Allah said in other Ayat,


[مَثَلُهُمْ كَمَثَلِ الَّذِى اسْتَوْقَدَ نَاراً فَلَمَّآ أَضَاءَتْ مَا حَوْلَهُ ذَهَبَ اللَّهُ بِنُورِهِمْ وَتَرَكَهُمْ فِي ظُلُمَـتٍ لاَّ يُبْصِرُونَ - صُمٌّ بُكْمٌ عُمْىٌ فَهُمْ لاَ يَرْجِعُونَ ]


(Their parable is that of one who kindled a fire; then, when it illuminated all around him, Allah took away their light and left them in darkness. (So) they could not see. They are deaf, dumb, and blind, so they return not (to the right path)) [2:17-18],


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I say This W Astaqfur Allah w Atoobo Elayk la ILLAHA il Anta

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Fe Aman Allah w Racyateh

[*Proud_Muslimah*]

Assalamu Alaikum,

Law26, If you read the first parts of the article..you will notice why I gave Full Moon a thumps up

Quote:

"God, the Most Gracious, Most Merciful, insists on making His
religion easy, practical and enjoyable for His true believers.
God also told us that those who reject Him or His books
are making life miserable for themselves and for their loved ones
who follow in their footsteps. He reminds us in the Quran that He
has placed no hardship on us in practicing our religion"

BTW, I was planning to send Full Moon a PM concerning his post but couldn't since I had to get ready for school so JazakumAllahu kairan for reminding me

Sister SomaliSizz, how are you? I still didn't ask the shiekh about the niqab (you know, whether it is wajib or not) but Insh'Allah will do it whenever I get the chance

Salam

[*Proud_Muslimah*]

Assalamu Alaikum,

"Why do Muslim women have to cover their heads?" This question is one which is asked by Muslim and non-Muslim alike. For many women it is the truest test of being a Muslim.

The answer to the question is very simple - Muslim women observe HIJAB (covering the head and the body) because Allah has told them to do so.

"O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women to draw their outer garments around them (when they go out or are among men). That is better in order that they may be known (to be Muslims) and not annoyed..." (Qur'an 33:59)

Other secondary reasons include the requirement for modesty in both men and women. Both will then be evaluated for intelligence and skills instead of looks and sexuality. An Iranian school girl is quoted as saying, "We want to stop men from treating us like sex objects, as they have always done. We want them to ignore our appearance and to be attentive to our personalities and mind. We want them to take us seriously and treat us as equals and not just chase us around for our bodies and physical looks."

A Muslim woman who covers her head is making a statement about her identity. Anyone who sees her will know that she is a Muslim and has a good moral character. Many Muslim women who cover are filled with dignity and self esteem; they are pleased to be identified as a Muslim woman. As a chaste, modest, pure woman, she does not want her sexuality to enter into interactions with men in the smallest degree. A woman who covers herself is concealing her sexuality but allowing her femininity to be brought out.

The question of hijab for Muslim women has been a controversy for centuries and will probably continue for many more. Some learned people do not consider the subject open to discussion and consider that covering the face is required, while a majority are of the opinion that it is not required. A middle line position is taken by some who claim that the instructions are vague and open to individual discretion depending on the situation. The wives of the Prophet (S) were required to cover their faces so that men would not think of them in sexual terms since they were the "Mothers of the Believers," but this requirement was not extended to other women.

The word "hijab" comes from the Arabic word "hajaba" meaning to hide from view or conceal. In the present time, the context of hijab is the modest covering of a Muslim woman. The question now is what is the extent of the covering?

The Qur'an says: "Say to the believing man that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that will make for greater purity for them; and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do.

"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; and that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands..." (Qur'an 24:30-31)

These verses from the Qur'an contain two main injunctions: (1) A woman should not show her beauty or adornments except what appears by uncontrolled factors such as the wind blowing her clothes, and (2) the head covers should be drawn so as to cover the hair, the neck and the bosom.

Islam has no fixed standard as to the style of dress or type of clothing that Muslims must wear. However, some requirements must be met. The first of these requirements is the parts of the body which must be covered.

Islam has two sources for guidance and rulings: first, the Qur'an, the revealed word of Allah and secondly, the Hadith or the traditions of the Prophet Muhammad (S) who was chosen by Allah to be the role model for mankind. The following is a Tradition of the Prophet:

"Ayesha (R) reported that Asmaa the daughter of Abu Bakr (R) came to the Messenger of Allah (S) while wearing thin clothing. He approached her and said: 'O Asmaa! When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands." (Abu Dawood)

The second requirement is looseness. The clothing must be loose enough so as not to describe the shape of the woman's body. One desirable way to hide the shape of the body is to wear a cloak over other clothes. However, if the clothing is loose enough, an outer garment is not necessary.

Thickness is the third requirement. The clothing must be thick enough so as not to show the color of the skin it covers or the shape of the body. The Prophet Muhammad (S) stated that in later generations of his ummah there would be "women who would be dressed but naked and on top of their heads (what looks like) camel humps. Curse them for they are truly cursed." (Muslim)

Another requirement is an over-all dignified appearance. The clothing should not attract men's attention to the woman. It should not be shiny and flashy so that everyone notices the dress and the woman.

In addition there are other requirements:

(1) Women must not dress so as to appear as men. "Ibn Abbas narrated: 'The Prophet (S) cursed the men who appear like women and the women who appear like men.'" (Bukhari)

(2) Women should not dress in a way similar to the unbelievers.

(3) The clothing should be modest, not excessively fancy and also not excessively ragged to gain others admiration or sympathy.

Often forgotten is the fact that modern Western dress is a new invention. Looking at the clothing of women as recently as seventy years ago, we see clothing similar to hijab. These active and hard-working women of the West were not inhibited by their clothing which consisted of long, full dresses and various types of head covering. Muslim women who wear hijab do not find it impractical or interfering with their activities in all levels and walks of life.

Hijab is not merely a covering dress but more importantly, it is behavior, manners, speech and appearance in public. Dress is only one facet of the total being.

The basic requirement of the Muslim woman's dress apply to the Muslim man's clothing with the difference being mainly in degree. Modesty requires that the area between the navel and the knee be covered in front of all people except the wife. The clothing of men should not be like the dress of women, nor should it be tight or provocative. A Muslim should dress to show his identity as a Muslim. Men are not allowed to wear gold or silk. However, both are allowed for women.

For both men and women, clothing requirements are not meant to be a restriction but rather a way in which society will function in a proper, Islamic manner.

Read me on--> http://www.jannah.org/sisters/hijab.html

Salam