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Have Jews ever hurt Somalis?

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:33 pm
by Arbmn
I know Jews trained Ethiopians and helped Ethiopia in the Ogaden War. They also helped Ethiopia during the 2006 invasion/occupation of Somalia. Not to mention, they jailed for years and denied asylum for a Somali(land) citizen, Faisal Madadal.

Re: Have Jews ever hurt Somalis?

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:37 pm
by 1nemansquad
lol, you are ridiculous with this shit man; just quit it. you have zero influence on anyone here, no matter how many of these types of questions you bring forward :down:

Re: Have Jews ever hurt Somalis?

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:37 pm
by garowegal
Well at least they weren't like the Libyans and Yemenis who offered ground support to the Ethiopians.

Re: Have Jews ever hurt Somalis?

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:38 pm
by Son_of_Somalia
Arabman, i think arabs would love you more than us

Re: Have Jews ever hurt Somalis?

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:53 pm
by Arbmn
1nemansquad wrote:you have zero influence on anyone here, no matter how many of these types of questions you bring forward
What's the correlation between making such a poll and having influence on anyone? Your statement didn't make a sense.

Re: Have Jews ever hurt Somalis?

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:56 pm
by BODHI
UM WOW WHEN HAVE JEWS EVER LOOKED AT THE DIRECTION OF SOMALIS IT WAS THE SOVIETS/CUBANS/YEMENIS WHO HELPED ETHIOPIA

Re: Have Jews ever hurt Somalis?

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:02 pm
by Arbmn
BODHI wrote:UM WOW WHEN HAVE JEWS EVER LOOKED AT THE DIRECTION OF SOMALIS IT WAS THE SOVIETS/CUBANS/YEMENIS WHO HELPED ETHIOPIA
You need to read some history; not only did Israel help Ethiopia, USA as well did by sending military equipments and other forms of aid. It was a rare and strange moment of the cold war era, when the two superpowers helped Ethiopia.

Re: Have Jews ever hurt Somalis?

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:08 pm
by Voltage
Jews are a people, Israel is a state. Most Israelis are Jews but not all Jews are Israeli. Don't know how the policies of a sovereign state represent every Jew on this earth. I am sure many Somalis will say the policies of Siad Barre did not represent them.

Re: Have Jews ever hurt Somalis?

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:15 pm
by garowegal
Arbmn wrote:
BODHI wrote:UM WOW WHEN HAVE JEWS EVER LOOKED AT THE DIRECTION OF SOMALIS IT WAS THE SOVIETS/CUBANS/YEMENIS WHO HELPED ETHIOPIA
You need to read some history; not only did Israel help Ethiopia, USA as well did by sending military equipments and other forms of aid. It was a rare and strange moment of the cold war era, when the two superpowers helped Ethiopia.
Ogaden War was a mistake and a brash and impulsive move by Siad Barre, who didn't have the military and strategic capability to regain Ogaden. It was convenient for the superpowers to intervene on the Ethiopian side, a country with a far more numerous and hardworking population compared to Somalia. The Soviets would rather be allied with Ethiopia as opposed to the 5 million( at the time) nomads in Somalia. They could care less about the ethnic animosities the two harbor for each other, it was more about which country is more dependable in the future.

Re: Have Jews ever hurt Somalis?

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:17 pm
by Nabeela
Jajuus.com :lost:

Re: Have Jews ever hurt Somalis?

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:28 pm
by BODHI
Arbmn wrote:
BODHI wrote:UM WOW WHEN HAVE JEWS EVER LOOKED AT THE DIRECTION OF SOMALIS IT WAS THE SOVIETS/CUBANS/YEMENIS WHO HELPED ETHIOPIA
You need to read some history; not only did Israel help Ethiopia, USA as well did by sending military equipments and other forms of aid. It was a rare and strange moment of the cold war era, when the two superpowers helped Ethiopia.
AND THAT IS WHERE YOU ARE WRONG AMERICA AND THE SOVIET UNION SWITCHED SIDES AMERICA GAVE
THE BIGGEST AID TO SOMALIA AFTER ETHIOPIA BECAME A SOCIALIST REPUBLIC AND SAID KICKED THE SOVIETS OUT

Re: Have Jews ever hurt Somalis?

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:29 pm
by BODHI
garowegal wrote:
Arbmn wrote:
BODHI wrote:UM WOW WHEN HAVE JEWS EVER LOOKED AT THE DIRECTION OF SOMALIS IT WAS THE SOVIETS/CUBANS/YEMENIS WHO HELPED ETHIOPIA
You need to read some history; not only did Israel help Ethiopia, USA as well did by sending military equipments and other forms of aid. It was a rare and strange moment of the cold war era, when the two superpowers helped Ethiopia.
Ogaden War was a mistake and a brash and impulsive move by Siad Barre, who didn't have the military and strategic capability to regain Ogaden. It was convenient for the superpowers to intervene on the Ethiopian side, a country with a far more numerous and hardworking population compared to Somalia. The Soviets would rather be allied with Ethiopia as opposed to the 5 million( at the time) nomads in Somalia. They could care less about the ethnic animosities the two harbor for each other, it was more about which country is more dependable in the future.
RIGHT A 60 MILLION PLUS NATION BECOMING COMMUNIST OR 5 MILLION NOMADS IN THE DESERT :lol:

Re: Have Jews ever hurt Somalis?

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:30 pm
by BODHI
The USSR, finding itself supplying both sides of a war, attempted to mediate a ceasefire. When their efforts failed, the Soviets abandoned Somalia. All aid to Siad Barre's regime was halted, while arms shipments to Ethiopia were increased. Soviet military aid (second in magnitude only to the October 1973 gigantic resupplying of Syrian forces during the Yom Kippur war) and advisors flooded into the country along with around 15,000 Cuban combat troops. Other communist countries offered assistance: the People's Democratic Republic of Yemen offered military assistance and North Korea helped train a "People's Militia"; East Germany likewise offered training, engineering and support troops[15]. As the scale of communist assistance became clear in November 1977, Somalia broke diplomatic relations with the USSR and expelled all Soviet citizens from the country.

Re: Have Jews ever hurt Somalis?

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:32 pm
by BODHI
By 17 August elements of the Somali army had reached the outskirts of the strategic city of Dire Dawa. Not only was the country's second largest military airbase located here, as well as Ethiopia's crossroads into the Ogaden, but Ethiopia's rail lifeline to the Red Sea ran through this city, and if the Somalis held Dire Dawa, Ethiopia would be unable to export its crops or bring in equipment needed to continue the fight. Gebre Tareke estimates the Somalis advanced with two motorized brigades, one tank battalion and one BM battery upon the city; against them were the Ethiopian Second Militia Division, the 201 Nebelbal battalion, 781 battalion of the 78th Brigade, the 4th Mechanized Company, and a tank platoon possessing two tanks.[4] The fighting was vicious as both sides knew what the stakes were, but after two days, despite that the Somalis had gained possession of the airport at one point, the Ethiopians had repulsed the assault, forcing the Somalis to withdraw. Henceforth, Dire Dawa was never at risk of attack

Re: Have Jews ever hurt Somalis?

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:32 pm
by BODHI
The greatest single victory of the SNA-WSLF was a second assault on Jijiga in mid-September (the Battle of Jijiga), in which the demoralized Ethiopian troops withdrew from the town. The local defenders were no match for the assaulting Somalis and the Ethiopian military was forced to withdraw past the strategic strongpoint of the Marda Pass, halfway between Jijiga and Harar. By September Ethiopia was forced to admit that it controlled only about 10% of the Ogaden and that the Ethiopian defenders had been pushed back into the non-Somali areas of Harerge, Bale, and Sidamo. However, the Somalis were unable to press their advantage because of the high attrition on its tank battalions, constant Ethiopian air attacks on their supply lines, and the onset of the rainy season which made the dirt roads unusable. During that time, the Ethiopian government managed to raise and train a giant militia force 100,000 strong and integrated it into the regular fighting force. Also, since the Ethiopian army was a client of U.S weapons, hasty acclimatization to the new Warsaw Pact bloc weaponry took place.

From October 1977 until January 1978, the SNA-WSLF forces attempted to capture Harar, where 40,000 Ethiopians backed by Soviet-supplied artillery and armor had regrouped with 1500 Soviet advisors and 11,000 Cuban soldiers. Though it reached the city outskirts by November, the Somali force was too exhausted to take the city and was eventually forced to retreat outside and await an Ethiopian counterattack.