Post Your Ideas On These Somali Poems....

[gedo_gurl]

I just finished writing a paper on Somali Poetry and Careys Ciise Kaarshe and Im wondering if Ive missed something that you people might notice that I havent. Post your thoughts on his style, historical context and message. Help a sister out

Careys Ciise Kaarshe - Guumeysi iyo Gobbannimo:

1.Ga’ gabay baa laga galaa
2. Gawaan waa lagu kufaa
3. Gadiid waa la cuskadaa
4. Goowaa laga dhaadhacaa
5. Ga’dii kale waxaan lahaa [Hee]

6. Kol waa gaajo iyo dharag
7. Kol waa guud iyo gohaad
8. Kol waa roob soo gud ciya
9. Abaar xooluhu go’een
10. Waa yoom labadii gelin
11. Adduun geeri iyo nolol
12. Mid uun baa kula gudbane
13. Gumaysi iyo gobanimadu
14. Ma labo lays garab dhigaa? [Maya]

15. Ga’dii kale waxaan lahaa [Hee]
16. Kadeed baan soo marnoo
17. Maantana gaashaandhig iyo
18. Gaadiid baanu leenahayo
19. Gembiga waan geli karnaa
20. Gumaysi iyo gobanimadu
21. Ma labo lays garab dhigaa? [Maya]

22. Ga’dii kale waxaan lahaa [Hee]
23. Gaagabe wiil taagayoo
24. Korkiisii giijay iyo
25. Gurgurtaa taariikh iyo
26. Kumaan dood-gaar hayiyo
27. Daraawiish gaardidiyo
28. Kolkii aan gees kadayo
29. Galiilyaa iga kacdee
30. Gumaysi iyo gobanimadu
31. Ma labo lays garab dhigaa? [Maya]

32. Ga’dii kale waxaan lahaa [Hee]
33. Hub aad kuu gubahayiyo
34. Gantaalaan yeelanoo
35. Hadii meel lagu kacshaa
36. Kor iyo hoos lama gafna’e
37. Gumaysi iyo gobanimadu
38. Ma labo lays garab dhigaa? [Maya]

39. Ga’dii kale waxaan lahaa [Hee]
40. Calooshii gocan jirtiyo
41. Guhaaddii laga baxyoo
42. Galladi noo soo gashaye
43. Gumaysi iyo gobanimadu
44. Ma labo lays garab dhigaa? [Maya]

45. Ga’dii kale waxaan lahaa [Hee]
46. Nin goomoonaan jirraba
47. Garaadkiisuu hadloo
48. Geesbuu gaawe u cuftaye
49. Gumaysi iyo gobanimadu
50. Ma labo lays garab dhigaa? [Maya]

51. Ga’dii kale waxaan lahaa [Hee]
52. Gurrac iyo gacambid hayn
53. Af-xumaddii goor walbiyo
54. Ganaaxii lama arkee
55. Gumaysi iyo gobanimadu
56. Ma labo lays garab dhigaa? [Maya]

57. Ga’dii kale waxaan lahaa [Hee]
58. Gamboonaantii horiyo
59. Godkii laga soo baxyoo
60. Gudcurkii kuma jirna’e
61. Gumaysi iyo gobanimadu
62. Ma labo lays garab dhigaa? [Maya]

63. Ga’dii kale waxaan lahaa [Hee]
64. Mudanayaal geesiyoo
65. Kursiga loo doortay iyo
66. Gudoonshe Mineestar iyo
67. Madaxweyne guud
68. Garsoorraan yeelanaye
69. Gumaysi iyo gobanimadu
70. Ma labo lays garab dhigaa? [Maya]

71. Ga’dii kale waxaan lahaa [Hee]
72. Xornimadaa gaamurtiyo
73. Luulyow Gawdeeda iyo
74. Gegada loo soo baxiyo
75. Garwaaqsiga maalintiyo
76. Ganuuniga dhacahayana
77. Waa guul noo soo gashaye
78. Gumaysi iyo gobanimadu
79. Ma labo lays garab dhigaa? [Maya]

80. Ga’dii kale waxaan lahaa [Hee]
81. Waaggii gaaladdu fadhiday
82. Garaada haddii la xulo
83. Korkeeni loo dhigaa
84. Isbatoor gaasfuriyo
85. Kablow lama dhaafi jirin
86. Maantana geeddanaan watiyo
87. Taleeti is giija iyo
88. Mindir gaasmeera iyo
89. Kabtankii iyo kormeer
90. Garoon haasaw leh baa
91. Garbaha loo xuubsadaye
92. Gumaysi iyo gobanimadu
93. Ma labo lays garab dhigaa? [Maya]

94. Ga’dii kale waxaan lahaa [Hee]
95. Xafiis aad soo gashoo
96. Nin gacalkaa ihi fadhiyo
97. Dantaada uu kuu gudiyo
98. Afkiisaba kaan la garan
99. Haloo fiirsha’e gadaal
100. Gumaysi iyo gobanimadu
101. Ma labo lays garab dhigaa? [Maya]

102. Ga’dii kale waxaan lahaa [Hee]
103. Arday kumanyaal ahoo
104. Galaas wada dhaatayoo
105. Tacliintoodii gutoo
106. Kooris qaar galahayana
107. Haloo fiirsha’e gadaal
108. Gumaysi iyo gobanimadu
109. Ma labo lays garab dhigaa? [Maya]

[gedo_gurl]

OK...what do you think/feel when he asks the rhetorical question in the title? Would you say people felt the same when UIC first captured Somalia into Somali hands again and chased the gaalo out? Would you rather a foreigner rules you than a Somali if they can keep the peace better? Do you care if Somalia is in Somali hands? Do you think the Darawiish inevitably died for nothing? Any observation on the poem is valid.

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[gedo_gurl]

Nerd? there is nothing clever or nerdy about having an opinion on a poem...especially one like this...I just need a creative person to give me their outlook

BTW - Do you share your account with someone?

[garowegal]

I dont undersand that

[eyes-only]

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I think the gobanimo he's describing does not exist in Somalia and Somalis are experiencing something worse than gumaysi...well worse than the one they faced under the Europeans. So my conclusions is, first of all let me just say I love the rhythm of the poem and times like this is when I wish I was taught Somali...anyway, back to the topic...I think Somalia would be better off going back to being a UN protectorate or whatever...anything that guarantees the average Somali person in Somalia lives under peace and prosperity. Anything is better than getting blown into pieces or witnessing people getting blown into pieces while being denied your basic human rights....I don't think the Darawiish died for nothing...I think they created a sense of Somaalinimo. I guess we'll always have that. I just don't think Somali leaders are ready to be leaders of a modern country just yet....they all just sound like a bunch of self interested morons with no skill. We can put on our political gloves once in a while and try to cheer for whoever remotely leans towards our ideals but we all know they all suck big time. So we're basically all screwed...not me particularly because I'm British you see...Anyway, I guess we have the option of waiting for the Mahdi or getting a bunch of corrupt westerners to run our country for us with some level of peace. Since we don't know when the Mahdi will come, I say go with anyone else who brings peace and human rights.

[Twisted_Logic]

I adore Carays Ciise and I think this poem is amazing, just like his other work. This poem reminds me of another one where the poet Alfred Tennyson presents similar comparisons between the agonizing present and the prosperous tomorrow. He writes:

“for I dipt into the future, far as the human eye could see, / saw the vision of the world, and all the wonder that could be.”

Colonial Somalia presented both a painful reminder of the cruelties of colonization/subjugation/exploitation and also of a possibility of "all the wonder that could be" once colonialism was defeated and Somali rule replaced foreign rule. In this, both poets place hope in education/enlightenment and in the strength and also possibility of youth. The last stanza of the Careys Ciise poem you posted goes very well with another line in the same Tennyson poem where he curses society for their exploitation and misuse of the youth when he writes:

Cursed be the social wants that sin against the strength of youth!

Somalia's independence movement was spearheaded by the youth and the Somali Youth League was instrumental in the freedom struggle of Somalia. However, to many Somalis, the end of the European Colonization was replaced only in name but deeds of similar exploitation and misuse were continued by the successive Somali governments. In the novel Waasuge iyo Warsame ( Vhttp://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/metsnav/general/navigate.do?oid=VAA3514&pn=22&size=screen) by Hussain Sh Ahmed Kaddare this apathetic reaction to the government and lack of seeing it as a Somali government whose ownership was shared by all is presented by Warsame ( a nomad from the countryside in a journey to Xamar) when he observes the Somali military, its progress and smooth operations of orders and systems. He remarks:

Arrad waa dan, usgagna,
waa doqonimo

In explaining this to his brother Dirir who is in the military, Warsame says that during the days of colonization, whatever the Somalis did was out of necessity and survival, but today with a Somali government ruling us, it would be idiotic if we don't accomplish things on our own. In correcting Warsame, Dirir says, " Warsamow, why can't you say "Today when we are a government, and not "when we are ruled by a Somali government."

This encounter shows peoples' lack of identifying with the government and it goes very well with the lines 94-101 of the Careys Cise poem you posted. By constantly drawing a comparison between a bitter past (colonialism) and unity/liberty/nationahood/freedom, the poet constantly strikes home by reminding his readers of both the consequences of lack of unity and nationhood by presenting a depiction of life during colonialism and of the present days of nationhood and the potential for greatness that can come through unity and nationhood.

[D-Runner]

OK...what do you think/feel when he asks the rhetorical question in the title? Would you say people felt the same when UIC first captured Somalia into Somali hands again and chased the gaalo out? Would you rather a foreigner rules you than a Somali if they can keep the peace better? Do you care if Somalia is in Somali hands? Do you think the Darawiish inevitably died for nothing? Any observation on the poem is valid.

Guumeysi iyo Gobbannimo

I think the Guumeysi part of the title with respect to Somalis can be attribute to both good and bed. Good because Somalis were introduced to foreigners who had better and bigger ambitions. As a result, Somalis exchanged their little enclaves for better and bigger ambitions themselves, for the first-time there were talks of Greater Somalia. And bed because the colonizers brought with them different way of life, their guns I think did the biggest damage since Somalis used the guns for land crapping and against each other.

As for the Gobbannimo part of the title, Somalia did get its Gobbannimo in 1960 and in 10 years Somalia's young democracy was overthrown, 21 years later Somalia exchanged hands from one mad man to another. In less then 40 years Somalis were running back to their little enclaves seeking shelter from other Somalis.

The USC has come and gone after they've managed to deny Somalia the foreign help it badly needed. Same with the UIC since it paved the way for fake religious leaders. The only gaalo left in Somalia are based in Villa Somalia and Mugadhio port busy protecting Shariif and Sharmarke from other Somalis, believe it or not but Somalia is under Somali hands and under developed and its people in refugee camps. Whether or not Somalia would be better off under gaalo is not up to me but what I do know is the countless Somalis rotting in refugee camps in and around Somalia would kill to be in my shoes here in the US or in your shoes there in the UK, both a gaalo rule countries.

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I think the gobanimo he's describing does not exist in Somalia and Somalis are experiencing something worse than gumaysi...well worse than the one they faced under the Europeans. So my conclusions is, first of all let me just say I love the rhythm of the poem and times like this is when I wish I was taught Somali...anyway, back to the topic...I think Somalia would be better off going back to being a UN protectorate or whatever...anything that guarantees the average Somali person in Somalia lives under peace and prosperity. Anything is better than getting blown into pieces or witnessing people getting blown into pieces while being denied your basic human rights....I don't think the Darawiish died for nothing...I think they created a sense of Somaalinimo. I guess we'll always have that. I just don't think Somali leaders are ready to be leaders of a modern country just yet....they all just sound like a bunch of self interested morons with no skill. We can put on our political gloves once in a while and try to cheer for whoever remotely leans towards our ideals but we all know they all suck big time. So we're basically all screwed...not me particularly because I'm British you see...Anyway, I guess we have the option of waiting for the Mahdi or getting a bunch of corrupt westerners to run our country for us with some level of peace. Since we don't know when the Mahdi will come, I say go with anyone else who brings peace and human rights.

[Babygirl-]

What a great man walle ruun buu sheegay..

The UIC was the best that happened to Muqdisho/Somalia in the past 20 yrs..

Daraawish bilaash uma dhimaan.

[gedo_gurl]

Thank you guys, especially those who went into detail (eyes, twisted, D-runner)...really interesting view points.

Twisted, I also felt that the pivotal moment in this saar were those lines...Reading it now, I cannot imagine what life must have been like under colonial Somalia for men to be overwhelmed by a man ruling his own country. Do you not agree though, that in Africa in general, we celebrated and dreamt of independence...but never really planned for how this drastic change would affect us? All the poetry you read is about either fighting for freedom...or celebrating it. Is that not a case in point/reflection of our failure to establish a genuine indigenous system of rule?7

Where can I get more Somali novels like the one you just posted?

Eyes only,

Thanks for your insight sis. Do you think there is 'Soomaalinimo' today? Do you really believe that the Darawiish created that? Would we not have that naturally when we are amongst people who arent Somali? Do you genuinly believe that a foreigner pursuing the interests of his own people through exploiting your daxal and resources is a better option? Do you not believe that my question was quite stupid, and that we should actually be looking beyond such questions and into an actual viable solution? Neo-colonialism has fuelled the fire in Somalia, why would it be better if we relinquished the tiny power we have now?

D-Runner,

What do you think of the global refugee crisis in relation to transnationalism?