Are Shabaab the best option of uniting Somalia?

[Voltage]

If they go through central Somalia, and into Puntland and then Somaliland, it will be the first time all of Somalia has been under single entity control since 1991.

The biggest benefit of this is

-the idea of Somaliland and secession is completely destroyed.

Why would any Somali nationalist be opposed to these idiots marching forward if a threshold will be crossed that destroys all the suppositions derived from the implosion of our government? It will change the status quo even after Shabaab is liquidated; the concept of one Somalia will be in force having had risen by a lesson of natural united Somalia reality.

p.s. I have actually come around to supporting Somaliland independence but I am an African nationalist meaning I forsee a situation where Somalia will not even have boundaries but will be incorporated into a united Black Africa, so therefore my desire to see this is driving me more than any feelings about "local nationalism" with respect to the territorial integrity of the former Somali Republic.

[OliveOil]

Waryaa, do they pay you to say/write all of this? Don't you ever get tired of writing these shit in the forums?


Voltage, this is an honest question...ain't trnna be funny here, okay!

[Murax]

In My opinion nothing will unite Somalia idealogically. Shabab however uses the language Somalis understand and respect, which is force.

[Voltage]

Funny thing is Shanka I never see Somalis and I don't even read Somali news sites anymore but throughout the day at least twice ideas pop into my head with respect to Somalia and how it can get out of its impasse. And sis, it literally and honest took me 2.5 minutes to write what I wrote above.

[marcassmith]

the idea of Somaliland and secession is completely destroyed.

Delusional!

[Voltage]

In My opinion nothing will unite Somalia idealogically. Shabab however uses the language Somalis understand and respect, which is force.

Somalis only understand force.

[OliveOil]

Well Voltage, it doesn't matter if it took u almost 3 minutes to write this...my question is, why do u even bother to think about it? What good will it do for u other than being more aware of whats going on back home?

[grandpakhalif]

Voltage, my response in Murax's thread covers this question.

[Mad May]

la xawla wa la quwwata illa billah, xaasidsanaa. Somaliland is democratic (kinda) and prosperous (kinda), say mashallah, don't wish upon them the misery faced by the people in the South.

[Shirib]

In My opinion nothing will unite Somalia idealogically. Shabab however uses the language Somalis understand and respect, which is force.

Bingo

[marcassmith]

la xawla wa la quwwata illa billah, xaasidsanaa. Somaliland is democratic (kinda) and prosperous (kinda), say mashallah, don't wish upon them the misery faced by the people in the South.

Not to worry my friend, The Al-shabaab is a proxy of the Somaliland govt. Their objective is to weaken Somalia and then then surrender to Somaliland soldiers on the border. They have been given immunity from prosecution once they have finished their job to a good standard.

[grandpakhalif]

la xawla wa la quwwata illa billah, xaasidsanaa. Somaliland is democratic (kinda) and prosperous (kinda), say mashallah, don't wish upon them the misery faced by the people in the South.

Not to worry my friend, The Al-shabaab is a proxy of the Somaliland govt. Their objective is to weaken Somalia and then then surrender to Somaliland soldiers on the border. They have been given immunity from prosecution once they have finished their job to a good standard.

That's why Godane routinely bombs Hargeisa eh?

[Amethyst]

So Hypothetically speaking, what would make them stop at Somaliland border then and not take over Djibouti? Stop at East Africa, not all of Africa....or....Wait for it *Gasp*: THE WORLD? Point is, Al-shabab has no concrete goals other than "taking over" these lands. It's goals (if any) are for the short term, and work on the smaller scale. Even Al-shabaab knows that at this point, which is why al-shabab has done nothing but huffing and puffing for the past...well...ever.. I'd like to see them taking over the south, though. All of it. Doing it well, and efficiently. For years even, restoring Hope, peace, and tranquility. THEN we can talk about them pursuing more long term strategies. For all we know, there wont even be an "Al-shabab" for long, as Somalia's turned into a Nightmare-ish scene from the movie of City of GOD, where every two years or so, a brand new branch of SOMETHING even deadlier ii ka soo baxaayan.

[Voltage]

la xawla wa la quwwata illa billah, xaasidsanaa. Somaliland is democratic (kinda) and prosperous (kinda), say mashallah, don't wish upon them the misery faced by the people in the South.

It is neither democratic nor prosperous. In relative terms (for Somalia), it is o.k. Compared to Jamaica, Somaliland is a giant township of a township.

[Goljano Lion]

la xawla wa la quwwata illa billah, xaasidsanaa. Somaliland is democratic (kinda) and prosperous (kinda), say mashallah, don't wish upon them the misery faced by the people in the South.

It is neither democratic nor prosperous. In relative terms (for Somalia), it is o.k. Compared to Jamaica, Somaliland is a giant township of a township.

these are the rules to obtain somaliland citiozenship qaxooti ilkoyar
Regarding aliens or refugees.

Any alien or refugee who is lawfully resident in the territory of Somaliland and who applies for Somaliland citizenship may be granted such citizenship when he fulfils the following conditions:

a) He must be an adult[24].

b) He must have resided lawfully in the territory of Somaliland for an unbroken period of no less than 10 years.

c) He must be known for his good character and behaviour.

d) He must not have been subject of a sentence for an offence proven in a court, and must not have participated in activities which were contrary to the sovereignty of Somaliland.

e) He must have been taxpayer during his period of residence in the territory of Somaliland.

f) He must submit a declaration in which he is renouncing his previous citizenship, and must, at the same time, make the oath set out in Article 6 of this Law.

2. Any person[25] whose mother is a Somaliland citizen and has been proved to have no father[26] may be granted citizenship if he applies for it and fulfils the conditions[27] set out in this Law at paragraph 1 of this Article