Islams ruling on suicide bombers
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Islams ruling on suicide bombers
will try to tackle the points you raised here through the concept of justice in Islam, for all these points revolve around the issue of evaluation of deeds and what should be the proper recompense for the human acts.
Brother, Almighty Allah created this universe and set its order according to the principle of justice. If this divine order is shaken, it will bring about disruption to the entire system governing the universe. That’s why Islam lays great emphasis on the duty of upholding justice, for this will serve the greater interests of all mankind. Allah says in the Qur’an:
O ye who believe! stand out firmly for God, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear God. For God is well-acquainted with all that ye do. Surah 5 Verse 8
You see, this verse makes it clear that a Muslim must not only strive for upholding justice, for the sake of his fellow Muslims. Rather, his quest for justice should be for the interests of the whole mankind.
With this message, Allah sent all His prophets and messengers to maintain truth and justice. He sent them to convey the message of truth and justice to mankind, to deal with them and administer their affairs under the principles of justice.
Justice will be the basic reality of the judgment in the afterlife, on the Day of Reckoning. This is when all people will stand before God, Who will call them into account.
He says:
We shall set up scales of justice for the Day of Judgment, so that not a soul will be dealt with unjustly in the least, and if there be (no more than) the weight of a mustard seed, We will bring it (to account): and enough are We to take account. Surah 21 Verse 47
It’s under the principle of justice that some people will enter Paradise, while others will enter Hell. But the matter does not end here. Alongside with the principle of justice God’s divine mercy works. As He has made it clear in His divine scriptures, that it’s never His Pleasure to cast people into Hell; His mercy is above His wrath!
So He has made it clear that rather than dwell in Hell forever, some people who mix good deeds with bad ones, then die without repenting their sins, will serve punishment for those evil deeds and afterwards be admitted into Paradise.
How can this be? It is due to the light of faith that kindles in their hearts. So it is a well-known fact that no one will abide in the Hell-Fire forever except for the unbelievers who deny the Existence of Allah and associate other partners with Him in His Divinity. Those are the people who prefer to be hostile to their Lord, disbelieving in Him and rejecting all His rules.
But the Qur'an makes it clear that if anyone shuns the major sins, then Allah Almighty forgives his minor ones. This is a sign of His mercy that works with His justice. Allah says:
Those who avoid great sins and shameful deeds, only (falling into) small faults,- verily thy Lord is ample in forgiveness. He knows you well when He brings you out of the earth, And when ye are hidden in your mothers' wombs. Therefore justify not yourselves: He knows best who it is that guards against evil. Surah 53 Verse 32
So here I’m trying to correct the understanding of your friend about those who will be made to enter Hell and later given an entry to Paradise. According to the eminent scholar, the late Sheikh Ibn Baaz, the former Mufti of Saudi Arabia:
‘Almighty Allah may forgive people whose sins fall short of polytheism. He may throw them into Hell, if He likes, according to the nature of their sins, then release them from Hell due to intercession offered by some of His servants, like Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), His angels or some of the believers. Even those who remain in Hell (for not being covered by such intercession) may be taken out of Hell by Allah’s mercy, as long as they die with faith in their hearts.’
The Prophet (pbuh)refers to this point in the following hadith:
‘Anyone who utters the words ‘there is no god but Allah’ with a morsel's weight of good deeds in his heart will be taken out of Hell. The same applies to anyone who utters the words ‘there is no god but Allah’, with an atom's weight of good deeds in his heart.’ (Narrated by Bukhari, Muslim, Imam Ahmad, Nassa’i, Ibn Majah and Trimidhi)
You see brother, how justice and mercy work in tandem? This is the message of Islam.
It’s also in the light of justice that we are to assess the conduct of those whom you refer to as “suicide bombersâ€Â. We have clarified Islam’s stand on the two concepts here “suicide†and ‘martyrdom’. It has become crystal clear that suicide is forbidden, killing innocent civilians is forbidden. But this should not be confused with causing one’s own death during resisting aggression and injustice; a clear line should be drawn here.
It is ‘justice’ that qualifies people in the first category for Hell, and it is the very same justice that qualifies people in the second category for martyrdom, hence Paradise. This should not be a cause of wonder. Anyone who takes his own life, without any justifiable reason, has transgressed the limit. It is because he has taken what he doesn’t possess, i.e. his life. Thus, he has tampered with justice, and his fate is to be doomed in the Hereafter.
On the other hand, anyone who causes his own death in the cause of resisting aggression, defending his own (or others’) property and dignity, will be deemed as dying in the noble cause of upholding truth and justice. In other words, his death has to do with ‘justice’. Hence, it’s logical for such person to be redeemed in the Hereafter, under the same ‘justice’ and be admitted to Paradise, dwelling there forever.
So, what causes confusion here is your use of the expression “suicide bombing†and putting forth your assessment of the conduct that its doers will enter Hell for sometime and then will be made to enter Paradise later! I’m afraid this assumption is wrong due to the earlier mentioned facts. As I have made it clear above, the whole case rests on the principle of ‘justice’. This is the very factor that makes the eminent Muslim scholars nullify the expression of “suicide bombersâ€Â, saying that this cannot be used to judge the Palestinian acts of resistance. You can check the following for more information:
Martyr Operations and Not Suicide
Martyr Operations Carried out by the Palestinians
So, it is through justice that we can fairly assess people’s conduct. Again, it is justice that determines people’s fate in the Hereafter, as the Prophet (pbuh) made it clear:
‘On the Day of Judgment, rights will be given to whom they are due and (wrongs) will be redressed.’ (Saheeh Muslim and Musnad of Imam Ahmad)
I hope this does answer your question. Once again, thanks a lot for contacting us. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You may also find the following links useful:
Suicide
The justice of the Day of Judgement
Brother, Almighty Allah created this universe and set its order according to the principle of justice. If this divine order is shaken, it will bring about disruption to the entire system governing the universe. That’s why Islam lays great emphasis on the duty of upholding justice, for this will serve the greater interests of all mankind. Allah says in the Qur’an:
O ye who believe! stand out firmly for God, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear God. For God is well-acquainted with all that ye do. Surah 5 Verse 8
You see, this verse makes it clear that a Muslim must not only strive for upholding justice, for the sake of his fellow Muslims. Rather, his quest for justice should be for the interests of the whole mankind.
With this message, Allah sent all His prophets and messengers to maintain truth and justice. He sent them to convey the message of truth and justice to mankind, to deal with them and administer their affairs under the principles of justice.
Justice will be the basic reality of the judgment in the afterlife, on the Day of Reckoning. This is when all people will stand before God, Who will call them into account.
He says:
We shall set up scales of justice for the Day of Judgment, so that not a soul will be dealt with unjustly in the least, and if there be (no more than) the weight of a mustard seed, We will bring it (to account): and enough are We to take account. Surah 21 Verse 47
It’s under the principle of justice that some people will enter Paradise, while others will enter Hell. But the matter does not end here. Alongside with the principle of justice God’s divine mercy works. As He has made it clear in His divine scriptures, that it’s never His Pleasure to cast people into Hell; His mercy is above His wrath!
So He has made it clear that rather than dwell in Hell forever, some people who mix good deeds with bad ones, then die without repenting their sins, will serve punishment for those evil deeds and afterwards be admitted into Paradise.
How can this be? It is due to the light of faith that kindles in their hearts. So it is a well-known fact that no one will abide in the Hell-Fire forever except for the unbelievers who deny the Existence of Allah and associate other partners with Him in His Divinity. Those are the people who prefer to be hostile to their Lord, disbelieving in Him and rejecting all His rules.
But the Qur'an makes it clear that if anyone shuns the major sins, then Allah Almighty forgives his minor ones. This is a sign of His mercy that works with His justice. Allah says:
Those who avoid great sins and shameful deeds, only (falling into) small faults,- verily thy Lord is ample in forgiveness. He knows you well when He brings you out of the earth, And when ye are hidden in your mothers' wombs. Therefore justify not yourselves: He knows best who it is that guards against evil. Surah 53 Verse 32
So here I’m trying to correct the understanding of your friend about those who will be made to enter Hell and later given an entry to Paradise. According to the eminent scholar, the late Sheikh Ibn Baaz, the former Mufti of Saudi Arabia:
‘Almighty Allah may forgive people whose sins fall short of polytheism. He may throw them into Hell, if He likes, according to the nature of their sins, then release them from Hell due to intercession offered by some of His servants, like Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), His angels or some of the believers. Even those who remain in Hell (for not being covered by such intercession) may be taken out of Hell by Allah’s mercy, as long as they die with faith in their hearts.’
The Prophet (pbuh)refers to this point in the following hadith:
‘Anyone who utters the words ‘there is no god but Allah’ with a morsel's weight of good deeds in his heart will be taken out of Hell. The same applies to anyone who utters the words ‘there is no god but Allah’, with an atom's weight of good deeds in his heart.’ (Narrated by Bukhari, Muslim, Imam Ahmad, Nassa’i, Ibn Majah and Trimidhi)
You see brother, how justice and mercy work in tandem? This is the message of Islam.
It’s also in the light of justice that we are to assess the conduct of those whom you refer to as “suicide bombersâ€Â. We have clarified Islam’s stand on the two concepts here “suicide†and ‘martyrdom’. It has become crystal clear that suicide is forbidden, killing innocent civilians is forbidden. But this should not be confused with causing one’s own death during resisting aggression and injustice; a clear line should be drawn here.
It is ‘justice’ that qualifies people in the first category for Hell, and it is the very same justice that qualifies people in the second category for martyrdom, hence Paradise. This should not be a cause of wonder. Anyone who takes his own life, without any justifiable reason, has transgressed the limit. It is because he has taken what he doesn’t possess, i.e. his life. Thus, he has tampered with justice, and his fate is to be doomed in the Hereafter.
On the other hand, anyone who causes his own death in the cause of resisting aggression, defending his own (or others’) property and dignity, will be deemed as dying in the noble cause of upholding truth and justice. In other words, his death has to do with ‘justice’. Hence, it’s logical for such person to be redeemed in the Hereafter, under the same ‘justice’ and be admitted to Paradise, dwelling there forever.
So, what causes confusion here is your use of the expression “suicide bombing†and putting forth your assessment of the conduct that its doers will enter Hell for sometime and then will be made to enter Paradise later! I’m afraid this assumption is wrong due to the earlier mentioned facts. As I have made it clear above, the whole case rests on the principle of ‘justice’. This is the very factor that makes the eminent Muslim scholars nullify the expression of “suicide bombersâ€Â, saying that this cannot be used to judge the Palestinian acts of resistance. You can check the following for more information:
Martyr Operations and Not Suicide
Martyr Operations Carried out by the Palestinians
So, it is through justice that we can fairly assess people’s conduct. Again, it is justice that determines people’s fate in the Hereafter, as the Prophet (pbuh) made it clear:
‘On the Day of Judgment, rights will be given to whom they are due and (wrongs) will be redressed.’ (Saheeh Muslim and Musnad of Imam Ahmad)
I hope this does answer your question. Once again, thanks a lot for contacting us. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You may also find the following links useful:
Suicide
The justice of the Day of Judgement
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I didn't read the whole article, not because i don't want to but because i can't, but here is my 2 cents on Suicide Bombings: It shouldn't be allowed unless it's absolutely necessary like in Palestine where the muslims have no access to weapons while the enemy is a nuclear power.
And it should be never ever be used against civilians in any kaafir country. The Prophet (scw) prohibited the destruction of even plants in kaafir lands.
And it should be never ever be used against civilians in any kaafir country. The Prophet (scw) prohibited the destruction of even plants in kaafir lands.
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DD---Sheiks are afraid to say suicide bombing is halaal! And if you had any scanty common sense left or have a brain you would recognise the existance of all mighty. Wallal I do pray for you I would not wish hell upon my worst enemy.
Intellex--Diana? I am health freak I could never pour mercury pigements into my skin. Being xawaadle makes one light skinned got it.
Intellex--Diana? I am health freak I could never pour mercury pigements into my skin. Being xawaadle makes one light skinned got it.
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Cadeey
"And if you had any scanty common sense left or have a brain you would recognise the existance of all mighty."
I believe the big pink elephant god in the sky. So, I do believe in the all mighty creator.
"Wallal I do pray for you I would not wish hell upon my worst enemy."
When did I become your enemy, I don't even know you.
"And if you had any scanty common sense left or have a brain you would recognise the existance of all mighty."
I believe the big pink elephant god in the sky. So, I do believe in the all mighty creator.
"Wallal I do pray for you I would not wish hell upon my worst enemy."
When did I become your enemy, I don't even know you.
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[quote="Cadeey"]DD---Sheiks are afraid to say suicide bombing is halaal! And if you had any scanty common sense left or have a brain you would recognise the existance of all mighty. Wallal I do pray for you I would not wish hell upon my worst enemy.
Intellex--Diana? I am health freak I could never pour mercury pigements into my skin. Being xawaadle makes one light skinned got it.[/quote]
loooool no i dont get it xawaadle and light skinned ? its like mix coke and tea
iam sorry i had to say it
Intellex--Diana? I am health freak I could never pour mercury pigements into my skin. Being xawaadle makes one light skinned got it.[/quote]
loooool no i dont get it xawaadle and light skinned ? its like mix coke and tea


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