Somalinimo: a system of morality

[2ndtoNone]

Somalinimo is a system of morality which is based on relative emotional values.
Anything that is based on emotional values is a mere illusion, a thoroughly vulgar conception which has nothing sound in it and nothing true.
Somalinimo was born in iniquity and conceived in sin, and it's spirit has never ceased to bend people's institutions to the service of dissension and distress.

In our discusion on Somalinimo we must distinguish, between nationalism and patriotism.
Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first, nationalism, however is when hate for people other than your own comes first.

The Times Of Somalinimo And Unity (Somaliweyn) Are Gone For Ever.
Lets rejoice and sing '' Somalinimo dhimatoo saxarkii baxyoo Somaliyoo idhil samaatey''


''Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.''
Albert Einstein

[Cirwaaq]

Paradigm Quake

[udun]

If one or some don't believe in Somnalinimo, what is the need to keep repeating that self hate? I think one is trying to implant that self hate in the rest of us. We should look at the loyalties of all of the people that are teaching us in that self haring trick.

Somalinimo is alive and kicking. If it is not alive, why are they having so many meetings in order to keep us down, to continue the mayhem on us, why the need to unleash us all of these mercenaries on our people and country?

Somalinimo == pure Somali self identity + Islam. If one is not Muslim, he/she is out of it.

[Cirwaaq]

Bidaca @udun

Islam and somalinimo are independent... take it back

There never was any somalinimo.

Ask al-shabab

Ask TFG

Ask the poor D&M deported out of P.land

Ask the koonfurians living in Boorama

They will tell you somalinimo is less valuable then a toilet papper.

[2ndtoNone]

^^ The Somaalinimoists not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.
Somalinimo blinds one to the point where he calls the dark, a bright light.

udun
so if one is out of somalinimo it means he/she is out of Islaam? subhxaanallah, how about the millions around the world who are not even somalis, the arabs, the bosnian, the chinese etc etc are they too out of islam?

say istaaqfurullah

[udun]

Bidaca @udun

Islam and somalinimo are independent... take it back

There never was any somalinimo.

Ask al-shabab

Ask TFG

Ask the poor D&M deported out of P.land

Ask the koonfurians living in Boorama

They will tell you somalinimo is less valuable then a toilet papper.

Reer Boorama are great believers of Somalinimo and any one whon is with them knows how great these Somalis are who believe in Soomaalinimo.

Islam is independent of Somalinimo but Somalinimo is not independent of Somalinimo. If you are not Muslim and was born in Somali parents, you are out of Somalinimo. Somalinimo == Somali self identity + Islam.

Al-Shabaabs never denied Somalinimo but they are challenging how the Somalis sees Somalinimo. They see Somalinimo that is compliant with Islam and they state that their program is based on the Holly Koran and the teachings of prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

TFG never denied Somalinimo. As a matter fact, all Somalis are included in this entity and they function as the legitimate government of Somalia. Where they failed is after they accepted the dictation of foreign governments and became participant of the genocide against Somalis. So, they committed a crime but never denied nor rejected Somalinimo.

With respect to the expulsion to the Somalis IDPs who are expelled out of PL, it is a decision made by the leadership of an autonamous region that claims that its security is undermined. We can disagree the decision but it does not mean it kills Somalinimo. There were many expulsions before it in Somalia at large and let us hope and pray it is the last one.

[marcassmith]

If one or some don't believe in Somnalinimo, what is the need to keep repeating that self hate? I think one is trying to implant that self hate in the rest of us. We should look at the loyalties of all of the people that are teaching us in that self haring trick.

Somalinimo == pure Somali self identity + Islam. If one is not Muslim, he/she is out of it.

Udun, Self reflection and questioning the validity of ones own identity is not self hate. Rather, its a positive step that we should embrace or at the very least explore. Of course, you define your somalinimo and its a personal choice but critical thinking should not be side stepped.

Also - Your definition of Somalinimo is very narrow, given that there are a plurality of identities that all claim somalinimo. Calling for a rigid and uniformity of Somalinimo excludes those who not necessarily subscribe to your notion of Somalinimo. Diversity under a broad concept of Somalinimo might just work but that is itself under threat. Where do you draw the line?

[udun]

^^ The Somaalinimoists not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.
Somalinimo blinds one to the point where he calls the dark, a bright light.

udun
so if one is out of somalinimo it means he/she is out of Islaam? subhxaanallah, how about the millions around the world who are not even somalis, the arabs, the bosnian, the chinese etc etc are they too out of islam?

say istaaqfurullah

Re-read what I have said. I am saying if you are a Somali who is not Muslim, you are out of Somalinimo. If you are other Muslims with different nationalities, then there is no Somalinimo for you. What we share is Islam and we are fellow Muslims. To one that I share with Somalinimo is a fellow Muslim and a fellow Somali.

I say istaaqfurullah now and every moment.

Atrocities went on both sides and all Somalis with the exception of unarmed clans participated this mayhem that we are in.

[marcassmith]

Somalinimo was born in iniquity and conceived in sin, and it's spirit has never ceased to bend people's institutions to the service of dissension and distress.

In our discusion on Somalinimo we must distinguish, between nationalism and patriotism.
Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first, nationalism, however is when hate for people other than your own comes first.

Somalinimo draws its essence from a variety of different sources - language, cultural values and norms, religion and sense of identity etc. I wouldn't go as far as saying its non-existence or for that matter a 'sin'. Its a value system which means different things to different people. Attempting to encapsulate the concept of Somalinimo into a single and tangible form is impossible. Much like the 'living law' - values and norms which are used as customary traditions used to dictate a particular lifestyles or norms. Similarly its not regulated by one authorities or one state, therefore somalinimo has no clear definition. Its a plural concept. The idea of Somalinimo must be considered within individual or communal context.

Also, nationalism and patriotism have failed in a Somali context because of the lack of meaning or rather the multiply meanings ascribed to the notion of Somalinimo.

[Cirwaaq]

I totally and unequivocally denounce any measure that signifies the communal bonds when the rule of measure varries from individual to individual. Somalinimo is not a concept that has the possibility of standardisation and hence will for ever remain a vice of division. There is little opportunity among our people to initiate the dialogue required to allign the entire community to develop a shared standard acceptance of the essense of somalinimo or for that matter the qualifiers and quantifiers of the concept among the people.

I do however believe under different circumstances the birth of true somalinimo with a single objective and essence can emerge if we can totally abandon the current varrious versions of somalinimo that are being exploited for the wrong reasons.

[udun]

One should read the constitution that was adapted for the Somali Republic in 1960. That is a living document and divines all of these that Somali self haters are trying to destroy. It is one thing that one wants to divide Somalia, it is another that one is trying is camouflage that division with instilling that self hate within the Somali society.

[Cirwaaq]

Well brother with people like that are paranoid about any type of dialogue we are surely doomed.

This is the shovel with which we are digging our own grave.

Udun you can't trust anyone so if half the people are like you what chance is there for unity?

[udun]

Unity?

I though we were discussing Somalinimo.

[Cirwaaq]

Somalinimo = unity

wish to challenge that?

[udun]

Somalinimo = unity

wish to challenge that?

Yes.