All Somalis are Originally From Ethiopia

[IRONm@N]

If you ask your parents where they were born, they will say in Ethiopia, if they don't, ask where your grandparents were born, and they will say Ethiopia (ogadenia), if they say other place, ask where your great grand parents were born, and it will be definitely be Ethiopia.

It seems that Somalis were Ethiopians that converted to Islam during the immigration of the Saxaaba, and when they converted, they grew in number and hate the Ethiopian christian system and just push Southward, From Seylac all the way down to Kismayo and on the way they mixed with Arabs and Portugese that settled on the Coast.

This is the most legitimate, historically believable and traceable. No more we come from Egypt or Yemen or Iraq.

[paidmonk]

What the fuck are you talking about, is your entire lineage only 3 generations long?

I can count back at least 15 generations (300 years) and have detailed accurate stories about my recent ancestors of the 18th century and slightly beyond.

My parents, their parents, their grandparents, and further back were all born inside current Somalia not Galbeed. I have one Ogaden great grandmother who was Maxamed Zubeer and she is the only one that might have migrated from Ethiopia so recently.

Somalis have occupied the peninsular portions of the horn for at least 2,000 years, they just never had the organization and sophistication to play a role in the history of the region to be noted beyond recent journals. There are only vague descriptions of Somalis that can be used to describe a wide variety of African groups. Our lack of recorded history is due to us being totally lazy worthless people, not belonging to another society in another time.

[Abdihaliim]

If you ask your parents where they were born, they will say in Ethiopia, if they don't, ask where your grandparents were born, and they will say Ethiopia (ogadenia), if they say other place, ask where your great grand parents were born, and it will be definitely be Ethiopia.

It seems that Somalis were Ethiopians that converted to Islam during the immigration of the Saxaaba, and when they converted, they grew in number and hate the Ethiopian christian system and just push Southward, From Seylac all the way down to Kismayo and on the way they mixed with Arabs and Portugese that settled on the Coast.

This is the most legitimate, historically believable and traceable. No more we come from Egypt or Yemen or Iraq.

What is Ethiopia?

"In Greek mythology, Ethiopia (or Aethiopia), literally meaning 'the land of burnt faces', was the name given to a kingdom based at Joppa in Phoenicia. Aethiopia also referred to an ancient Egyptian military colony in the Caucasus mountains on the river Alazani (now in modern-day Georgia"

There is Juba in Somalia and Sudan!

[Cumar-Labasuul]

As far as I'm aware the only relation I have to ethiopia was my sub-sub clan has an amhara mother from the axmed gurey days. Other than that my family is from dhamalka for about 8 or 9 generations and before that siyaro

[gurey25]

If you ask your parents where they were born, they will say in Ethiopia, if they don't, ask where your grandparents were born, and they will say Ethiopia (ogadenia), if they say other place, ask where your great grand parents were born, and it will be definitely be Ethiopia.

It seems that Somalis were Ethiopians that converted to Islam during the immigration of the Saxaaba, and when they converted, they grew in number and hate the Ethiopian christian system and just push Southward, From Seylac all the way down to Kismayo and on the way they mixed with Arabs and Portugese that settled on the Coast.

This is the most legitimate, historically believable and traceable. No more we come from Egypt or Yemen or Iraq.

There is no such thing as Ethiopia..
The ancient ethiopia refers to Sudan and the many kingdoms of Kush since the beggining..
Haille salasie in an attempt to steal(a successfull attempt) the history of Ethiopia renamed his empire Ethiopia.
Nobody refers to Ethiopia as ethiopia before the 1930's and before sellasie..

The northern ethiopians the habesha were refered to Abbysinia...

And Abbysinia never had a lasting influence on somalis and the only time they reached into somalia was during amde seyons reign when he destroyed amoud, harar, and berbera and turned the various Dir clans that were the largest and most powerfull somali clans like the Madaxweyne dir(gurgura) and the Mahe dir into small barley recovering clans...
This was the 1340's...

Before that it took 200 years of non stop warfare for the various muslim sultanates to lose to the Abbysinians.
Shoa the Heartland of the Amhara today was a Muslim Sultanate.
The Muslims along with the somalis in the area made a several comebacks, in the 1400's and finally during ahmed gureys reign
when he returned the favour of Amde Seyon and foked up the habasha like never before...

with both sides exhausted the Oromo nation took advantage and conquered and assimilted everyone around them like the
Borg in star trek...

Historically dominant tribes like the Haddiye, sidame and gurage and god knows how many somali clans have been assimilated completly
along with probably a large number of christians and are fully Oromo today...

This is Ethiopian history 101...

[LobsterUnit]

Somali presence of the hawiye clan was reported as settling in Southern Somalia, Marka, by Arab geographers such as ALidrisi. Ibn Batuta also reported that the Somalis lived from the area in Zeila to Muqdisho and that they are all Muslim. When the Ethiopia Emperor killed the Emir Saadiin and besieged him in Zeila, he made a poem glorifying the defeat of the Somalis. Therefore, with all the reports of Somali presence in modern day SOmalia, some as early as the 12th century, it is impossible for Somalis as a whole to have descended from a small group of Xabashi or Arab men. Clearly, some Arab Missionaries did settle in the coastal areas of SOmalia and many of them did inter-marry with the Somalis. But it is impossible for them to have fathered Somali clans who numbered into millions and hundreds of thousands.This is also goes for some other Horn African Muslim tribes who claim descent from the Jeberti Family. Most Somalis and Muslims in the horn Africa are just former WAAQ worshipers who converted to Islam.

[ToughGong]

What the fuck are you talking about, is your entire lineage only 3 generations long?

[Abdihaliim]

Somali presence of the hawiye clan was reported as settling in Southern Somalia, Marka, by Arab geographers such as ALidrisi. Ibn Batuta also reported that the Somalis lived from the area in Zeila to Muqdisho and that they are all Muslim. When the Ethiopia Emperor killed the Emir Saadiin and besieged him in Zeila, he made a poem glorifying the defeat of the Somalis. Therefore, with all the reports of Somali presence in modern day SOmalia, some as early as the 12th century, it is impossible for Somalis as a whole to have descended from a small group of Xabashi or Arab men. Clearly, some Arab Missionaries did settle in the coastal areas of SOmalia and many of them did inter-marry with the Somalis. But it is impossible for them to have fathered Somali clans who numbered into millions and hundreds of thousands.This is also goes for some other Horn African Muslim tribes who claim descent from the Jeberti Family. Most Somalis and Muslims in the horn Africa are just former WAAQ worshipers who converted to Islam.

European Journal of Human Genetics (2005) http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v13/ ... 1390a.html

1) "Calculations based on a Bayesian coalescence approach (BATWING expansion time) indicated that the growth of the E3b1 cluster (E1b1b1a1b) in the Somali population started 1200 years ago (Table 4) with an initial population size of 1037 individuals."

2) "After visiting Aden, Ibn Battuta sailed in 1331 to the East African coast, where he found another kind of state—port cities that might almost be called merchant republics. Mogadishu, now in Somalia, was the first he visited: “Mogadishu is a very large town. The people are merchants and very rich. They own large herds of camels…and also sheep. Here they manufacture the textiles called after the name of the town; these are of superior quality and are exported to Egypt and other places.”

My point is
--The year 1331 when Ibnu Battuta visited Muqdisho, islam religion was 831 years old. In other words, we have been already islam nation.
-- The year 805 (2005-1200) When our ancestors start to expand (according European Journal of Human Genetics (2005)), islam religion was 300 years old. In other words, we have been already islam nation.

Now It is plausible, that our ancestors brought islam religion to the Horn of africa.

Axum and Islam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axum
"The Axumite Empire has a longstanding relationship with Islam.[citation needed] According to ibn Hisham [6], when prophet Muhammad "pbuh" faced oppression from the Quraish clan, he sent a small group that included his daughter Ruqayya and her husband Uthman ibn Affan, to whom Ashama ibn Abjar, the king of Axum, gave refuge and protection and refused the requests of the Quraish clan to send these refugees back to Arabia.[citation needed] These refugees did not return until the sixth year of the Hijra (628), and even then many remained in Ethiopia, eventually settling at Negash in eastern Tigray."

The hijra 628 means the year 128. This was very important epoch to our ancestors!
a) they brought islam religion
b) or they converted to islam.

[snoop12]

What the fuck are you talking about, is your entire lineage only 3 generations long?

I can count back at least 15 generations (300 years) and have detailed accurate stories about my recent ancestors of the 18th century and slightly beyond.

Loooool.

the guy is just talking about the relative trend.

my people invaded the Xabashi empire from far nort-> moved back east towards the peninsula(Hawd Sool)->then moved south(Hawd, Wardheer) -> during the Mad mullah era they lived from Wardheer as far south as Beledweyn-> moved southwest towards Dhusamareb and Gaalkacyo -> briefly in Xamar -> Kismaayo 2 decades -> then out of Somalia duing the civil war.

its down to me where im going to go now Lol, im thinking just staying in Kismaayo or going to Lamu.

[bareento]

We are all descendants of Bantus.
Though Somalis have a little bit of admixture of Arab blood (15% according to the latest genetic study).
After observing Somalis for almost a year I came to believe that Somalis r, among the horners, the closest to the Bantus as
they r the only ones to even know the word.
No oromo, amhara or afar use or ever heard the word Bantu
For me this is the proof that somali separation from the Big Bantu nation is recent.


B.

[Abdihaliim]

We are all descendants of Bantus.
Though Somalis have a little bit of admixture of Arab blood (15% according to the latest genetic study).
After observing Somalis for almost a year I came to believe that Somalis r, among the horners, the closest to the Bantus as
they r the only ones to even know the word.
No oromo, amhara or afar use or ever heard the word Bantu
For me this is the proof that somali separation from the Big Bantu nation is recent.


B.

The time of the eastbound Bantu expansion was estimated to be 3400±1100 years ago.24 Bantu populations have high frequencies of E3a haplogroups.4 We have observed only a few individuals with the E3a haplogroup in our Somali population, thus, supporting the view that the Bantu migration did not reach Somalia.42 It has been suggested that a barrier against gene flow exist in the region.43 The barrier seems to be the Cushitic languages and cultures to which Somalis belongs. The Cushitic languages belong to the Afro-Asiatic languages that are spoken in Northern and Eastern Africa. The Cushitic languages and cultures are mainly found in the Somalis and the Oromos, one of the two main groups inhabiting Ethiopia.44, 45, 46. The Somali and Oromo languages have a high degree of similarity and the two populations share many cultural characteristics. The Somali and Oromo people live in clans with special patterns of marriage and the Somali and Oromo people have complex, interwoven pedigrees.44, 45

A

[Oxidant]

What is up with this Oromo’s obsession with Bantus? Anything it's the Oromo who are the closest to Bantu in the Horn. When did Somalis ever interact with Bantus. Oromo are found from Gambella to Eastern Oromia

[bareento]

How come Somalis r the only ones to know the word Bantu?
Its true most Oromos,except those from Wollo, r Bantus;
I suspect the same can be said of Somalis.
The only difference being Oromos broke up from Bantus longtime befor Somali nation,
hence Somalis still remember the word Bantu,whereas oromos have forgotten the word.

B.

[IRONm@N]

How come Somalis r the only ones to know the word Bantu?
Its true most Oromos,except those from Wollo, r Bantus;
I suspect the same can be said of Somalis.
The only difference being Oromos broke up from Bantus longtime befor Somali nation,
hence Somalis still remember the word Bantu,whereas oromos have forgotten the word.

B.

What are talking about? Bantu are called ethnic Africans in Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda etc.
Bantus were brought to Somalia during the Italian colonial. The Italians set-up farms, and they couldn't make the Somalis to work on the farms, so they went to Tanzania and Mozambique and get hundreds of slaves. so those ppl identify themselves as Bantus.

[Oxidant]

How come Somalis r the only ones to know the word Bantu?
Its true most Oromos,except those from Wollo, r Bantus;
I suspect the same can be said of Somalis.
The only difference being Oromos broke up from Bantus longtime befor Somali nation,
hence Somalis still remember the word Bantu,whereas oromos have forgotten the word.

B.

Somalis don’t know the word Bantu. People only use the term Bantu online. Bantu was a word created by western Europeans do describe certain group of people.

We have our own distinct names from them like the Ethiopians do as well. In reality, Bantu is a word barely used or known. Oromos are like 65% Bantu. 25% Nilotic and lucky 10% Cushitic, thankfully to those Somali warriors