HABAR AWALEEN !!!! real history unveiled (BUCUR BACAYR)

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HABAR AWALEEN !!!! real history unveiled (BUCUR BACAYR)

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Ladies and gentleman before we proceed in our attempt to clarify the situation and events in and around hargeisa area where nobody but habar awal are found in relation to the famous and well known midgaan king his highness Mohamed xaniftireeh AKA bucur bacayr.
Lets is look at it in the following sequential manner.
Historical fact
Location fact
Event fact
Connotation fact and similarity
Conclusion:


Historical/ location and even Facts:
“The story goes that when sheakh ISSAQ first settled near his eventual place of burial in the northern Somaliland region, he was confronted a Yibir King known as Bu'ur Ba'ayer a local Yibir leader who ruled the territory . The two leaders then decided to settle the issue of legitimacy between them via religous war . Barkhadle challenged the Yibir king .This battle took place an area situated some 20 miles north of the regional capital of Hargeisa. this radical islamic sheekh successfully accomplished this task to take over the kingdom from Bu'ur Ba'ayer .”

Now in the above facts you are able to cleary see the fact that the battle took at the heart of habar awal deegaan.
20 miles north of hargeisa is a place between hargeisa and berbera.
Who lives in that area you will ask?
Well it goes like this:

“The yibir which somes are kown the aweeleen people are actually the original inhabitant of Somaliland. A pre-historic somalis who ruled the land for a very long time until the introduction of Islam in Somaliland around the 13th century. The original king who ruled the land was known as Mohammed Bin Haniif also know as ( Bucur bacayr), He was a doctor, herbalist an astrologer who predicted natural disasters. During his dynasty, he conducted wedding ceromonies as a preist and kept Somali women in his castle for a week before releasing them to their husbands. “

An other fact Bucur bacayr used to keep for seven days all the women at that time where he used to rule in other word all the women in hargeisa and surounding area.
In this captivity bucur bacayr father up and above 100s or thousands of illegitimate kids aka furuuq.

Now djibsomali is asking what is the relation of Sheikh isaaq in this history and in the eventual fact.
And what is the links between habar awal and sheikh issaq and plus the area of hargeisa north west of Somalia??
Now lets have a look at the historical facts about this!!

First sheikh issaaq:
The fact is that sheikh issaaq existed is in all the papers but the question how did he come up in the picture?
The sheikh arrived in the land of north west of Somalia AKA hargeisa area for a mission.
The mission is clear in the historical facts and books written. He came to redress the ways of the inhabitant of hargeisa area in accordance to ISLAM.
And he came at the advanced age of 85 years . First to defeat the king and secondly to redress their ways. If an old and frail man of 85 years who did not have any kids until this age then we can conclude that it is impossible that he will no longer have kids bear in mind the average age at that time was 40 years old. Sheikh issaq is more than the double of the average age and not capable of having any kids
Here is the proof of his age: Image
(in ENGLISH FIRST: Having left Harar, Sheek Isaaq approached the northern coast of Somalia has Makaan. He planted his spear into the ground ..........
From makaan, he went to Maydh, or has he reached the age of 85 years ...... )

FACTS: HE IS TOO OLD TO HAVE KIDS AND NEVER HAD ANY KIDS BEFORE HAND

In the following passage which I have translated in ENGLISH for your convenience and you lot are able to check the accuracy of the translation with google translate tools.
Will clearly demonstrate who sheikh issaq was against it.
It says:

“He (sheikh issaq) however met the hostility of IIDOOR, a population who "knew nothing of God or the Prophet" and who, according to different versions of the legend, were either of the Oromo, which are known, though very weak, they occupied yet the region of Hargeisa twelfth century, or are Dir “
When SHEIKH ISSAQ succumbed and killed bucur bacayr the local population which are called IIDOOR revolted on him and specially all the women revolted on him because bucur bacayr was first their king and secondly the one who deflowered them and whom they all had their first born.
NOW IS THERE ANY DOUBT WHO THE IIDOOR ARE?
IF DJIBSOMALI ASK WHO ARE THE IIDOOR YOU WILL ALL POINT OUT TO THE POPULATION OF NORTH WEST OF SOMALIA.

Now the fact is iidoor and sheikh issaq are 2 different entities in fact iidoor tried to kill sheikh issaaq because he killed their king and father "his highness bucur bacayr".

Now the final puzzle?
Why is the habar awal are called habar awal??
first let us kill some rubbish and delusional made up idea of habar awal being the only child of a woman who died and whose sheikh issaq took over and nurtured him.
Although it does not make any sense but just for the fun of killing the idea here is the exposee of djibsomali.
habar awal was not the only child but was the brother from the same mum as Ayuub.
PROOF:
And they are not habar Magaado.
Image.

It is says there that Ayuub and abdirahmaan AKA subeer (habar awal) were brothers from the same mum and sister of habar maagaado

Now what is HABAR AWAL??
Well abar awal are those iidoor that wanted to kill sheikh issaq when he killed their king bucur bacayr and told them the right way and only way which is the islam ways of living..
LATER ON TO DIFFERENTIATE FROM OTHER PEOPLE WHO FORMED AN UNION CALLED XEERTII SHEIKH ISSAAQ.
MEANING the followers of sheikh issaq then the remnants of bucur bacayr the original people of the land of hargeisa and its area called themselves Habar awal.
Because they were against SHEIKH ISSAAQ and took ages to enter the union with the others xeerti sheikh isssaq.
They were the last to enter and to accept the teaching of sheikh issaq therefore the latest who enter the union hence where they formed the idea of the latest born.
However they were so adamant to keep their name as the aweleen and here is the proof:
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Translated for you:
"But Habar Awal them-selves do derive their name from the Arabic Awwal, "formerly" Al Awwal, "the first" in order to avail themselves of their precedence over other Issaq clan"
In other words the kids of BUCUR BACAYR.


It is even mention in the following passage that musse the grand childs accepting the dia of his great father bucur bacayr.
Becaue suber who was part of the aweleen died prematurely musse (father of sacad musseh and isse musseh) his child accepted the dia of his great father bucur bacayr.
WALLAHI THIS IS THE KILLER AND I LEFT IT TO BE LAST PART OF THIS WRITING
WALLAHI CHECK IT UP!! IT IS THE CULMUNITATION ,THE CLIMAX , THE PINNACLE OF THIS WRITING.
Remember how I have told you that Ayuub and habar awal were from the same mother??? Not magaado??
Remember that??

Remember how I have proved how they became the last people to enter the union?
It is because Ayuub and habar awal were the true decedent of bucur bacayr and it is after they have accepted the DIA OF THEIR FATHER they have joined the union
And here is the proof: FIRST IN ENGLISH:
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Sheikh issaq asked the magician's descendants (jaama, anjid, geedi, Ayuub and Muusa), if they prefer to receive immediately the blood money for killing their father, or rather that they wanted their debt is owed by Somalia forever. their choice fell on the second option.
Ayuub and mussa suber (aweleen) . mussa father of sacaad mussa and isseh mussa because suber passed away with only having one child AKA mussa.

Conclusion:
1st Iidoor and sheikh issaq are two different identity. IIdoor existed before the old man and still exist today in hargeisa and surounding
2nd: Idoor fougth again sheikh issaaq teaching and revolted against the killing of their king bucur bacayr
3rd: aweeleen are the people who joined and signed the treaty with the xeerti sheikh issaaq
4th : aweeleen and ayuub were from the same family as ayuub signed the treaty of bucur bacayr DIA paying while musse (father of cissa muuser and sacaad) soon of suber signed on behalf of his father who passed away

Now people if anyone would like to rebuke this thread then provide a logical and referenced proof.
But do NOT start REBUKing by responding on HOW SAMARONE OR GADABURSI ARE TRUE DECENDENT OF SHAKA ZULU OR FROM THE GORILAA OF MOZAMBIQUE.
IF YOU LIKE TO DO IT THEN OPEN A NEW THREAD FOR ME TO REBUKE SWIFTLY!!
THE CHALLENGE IN HERE IS TO TRY TO REBUKE THIS LITTLE EXPOSEE
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Let me exame this part it says sheikh isxaaq came trough harar one what does he base that besides this guy claim that the isaaq clan existed or iidoor as he calls it existed before sheikh isxaaq wich is absurt no i ask you whats the title of the book who wrote it and whats the source tell me that , this kid is also mis informed habarawal dident even live in hargeisa they moved to hargeisa around the 1870 another big error the last error is he says that ayub joined the xer as last while we know ayub is eldest isaaq son bal ku noqo taarikhda also i repeat the source of the book
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Why is he hiding the source of the boook :lol: :lol: the title even also ad like to ad the fact that habarawal moved to hargeisa recently is a well known fact habarawal lived in berbera and jigjiga in the past they still do but that was there strong hold also its true we share the same mother with ayub and the same father . also another big error is subeer was not abduraxmaan awal big error subeer was the son of abdiraxmaan , if we contineu from there we paid dia to bucur bacayr why did we pay dia to bucur bacayr and his descented because our father killed maxamad al xanif aka bucur bacayr doesent that make sense actually they still do every isaaq born child the yibros used to ask money because of sheikh isxaaq killed there father so whats the source
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The_Emperior5 wrote:Why is he hiding the source of the boook :lol: :lol: the title even also ad like to ad the fact that habarawal moved to hargeisa recently is a well known fact habarawal lived in berbera and jigjiga in the past they still do but that was there strong hold also its true we share the same mother with ayub and the same father . also another big error is subeer was not abduraxmaan awal big error subeer was the son of abdiraxmaan , if we contineu from there we paid dia to bucur bacayr why did we pay dia to bucur bacayr and his descented because our father killed maxamad al xanif aka bucur bacayr doesent that make sense actually they still do every isaaq born child the yibros used to ask money because of sheikh isxaaq killed there father so whats the source
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djibsomali wrote:
The_Emperior5 wrote:Why is he hiding the source of the boook :lol: :lol: the title even also ad like to ad the fact that habarawal moved to hargeisa recently is a well known fact habarawal lived in berbera and jigjiga in the past they still do but that was there strong hold also its true we share the same mother with ayub and the same father . also another big error is subeer was not abduraxmaan awal big error subeer was the son of abdiraxmaan , if we contineu from there we paid dia to bucur bacayr why did we pay dia to bucur bacayr and his descented because our father killed maxamad al xanif aka bucur bacayr doesent that make sense actually they still do every isaaq born child the yibros used to ask money because of sheikh isxaaq killed there father so whats the source
LOOL

if you read richard burtons book the nuux ismacil used to fight in berbera with eachother and that book was written in 1865 richard burton calls them the ayul yoonis and the axmed nuux wich are the reer gadid and reer axmed they fought in berbera , the arrival of shekh madar in the late 19 century habarawal moved to hargeisa thats a fact :mrgreen:
habarawal used to live in buulaxaar berbera jigjiga
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Djiibsomali are you going to tell me the title of the book or is it a gadabuur secret and other people cant know the author :lol:


Al Casjad al Manduum Li-Taariikh Wal Culuum by Maxamed Xasan Al-Basri.2- Al-Dur Al Muntakhab Fi Laqab Wal-Nasab.

3- Thamratual Mushtaaq Fi Manaaqib Sheekh Isxaaq by Shariif Mubiid Al-Nudayri Al-Balcawi written 1825. meanings
The Yearning blossom on the Genealogy Of Shekh Isxaq

4- 110 page book by sharif Axmed Maxamed Al-Gherbaani written in 1910.
i can even quote some of that book i have that


Sheikh isxaaq history is well known in the arabic literature


i can quote you a few pages from that book
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MULTI NICK???

LOOL ARE YOU DESPERATE NOW???
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anyway saaxib ma ii shegeysa ninka buuga qoray mise adiga qoray taasiba wey dhici karta amba maanta buug xafajo ku sahabsan baan qori kara :lol: :lol:
Djibsomali wa ninki hooyadi ku sheegey reer bucurbacayr did she used to teach magic to :lol: :lol:
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SOO AYAAR JOOG LAGAGUMAA KARII WAYIIN??
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anigu suaashi baan ka sugaya aan sadex jeer ku weydiye this is getting boring man
Buugaan ma adiga qoray mise abaha tallow :lol: :lol:
i havent seen so many error in such a book qofku xita hadu buug qorayo manu dadka waraysan dident he ask where habarawal live before dident he even got info or the background of sheikh isxaaq dident he even read other history books :lol: now bal no sheeg ciida aad ka keenta waxan as i source my stuff mise waad baqaysa saaxib ilahay ba gadabuursi ka dhigay not me aniga ii ooyin :lol:
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djibsomali wrote:SOO AYAAR JOOG LAGAGUMAA KARII WAYIIN??

an ku saxo
soo ayaar joog luguguma kari wayin there is no need for double ii gadabuursiga na afsomaligu ilahay ka habaaray :lol:
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do you want this happen to the book??
the book is too valuable for me

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djibsomali wrote:do you want this happen to the book??
the book is too valuable for me

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A book with out a source a book with out a name title cajiib , only in the head of a xafajo face :lol: :lol:
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Ramadaan kariim,

qosol baa iga dhamaaday runtii.

qaabka taariikhda loo baadha, way badantay waanay kala gedisantahay. waxaa ka mid ah, genetics DNA, lineage, ancestry and genealogy etc etc.

hadii aan soo qaato ANCESTRY (the descendants of one individual) qof ka soo jeeda reer ka isaaq la yidhaa. waxaad arkaysaa magacyada abtirsiintiisu in ay isku dhawaaq tahay oo ay kasoo jeedo luqada CARABIGA. sheekh isaxaaq wuxuu dhalay 8 nin sida taariikhda ku xusan (nasib daro dumarku dhalay waxaa duudsiyay dhaqanka somalida ee guracan) 8aad nin mid waliba wuxuu leeyay magac carbeed. tafiirtii ay ka tegena sidoo kale lineage koodu dhamaan waa carabi.

waa bil ramadaan, markaa hadalka intiisa fiican ayaan isku dayayaa in'aan kuu soo naqeeyo. since we're discussing clan issue its imperative to mention other somali clans lineage and their ancestries. this where it gets interesting tusaale aynu u soo qaadano :-

SHEEKH HAWIYE iyo tafiirtiisa ( Karanle, Gorgate, Gugun-Dhabe, Rarane, Haskul, Jambeele)
Sheekh DAAROOD iyo tafiirtiisa ( Kumade, Koombe, Kablalax, Jidwaq etc)
SHEEKH RAXANWEYN iyo Tafiirtiisa ( Dabarre, Jiddu, Garre, Tunni, Geledi, Hadarne, Harin)
SHEEKH GADABUURSI iyo tafiirtiisa ( allamle, Gujucto, Tisiiqan etc )
SHEEKH ISAXAAQ iyo tafiirtiisa ( Ismacil, Maxamed, Cabdiraxman, Ayub, Arab, Cimraan, Muse, Maxamuud)

Tartanku waxa weeye iyamaa Nebigii Suuban (CSW) Tafiirtiisi Magacyadaa udhow. make no mistake am not a juggler merely bringing facts before you and I will leave the judgment for juror. I rest my case


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