CoolPoison

[guhad122]

Horta naf adkidaa ceebu kuma karto miyaa? The history of Jubaland is well-documented and as a matter of fact I have never seen so much historical literature about anyplace in Somalia like that of Kismaayo and Jubaland. And unfortunately your Jubaland history doesn't pass Cawlyahan and Gedo...Walaahay it is not even all Cawyahan you encountered; When the British colonial forces sought for your assistance in defeating Reer Afgaab and Reer Waafato, here is how you performed:
"Once again the Marehan Levies proved to be absolutely useless and bolted. Heavily outnumbered (Colour Sergeant Mohamed Ainashi’s force had not yet caught up), the small KAR force adopted the tactic of laying prone on the sand & volley firing as the tribesmen approached. Over fifty of the Aulihan were killed and many wounded. Again the levies did not perform at all well, and almost without exception ran away. They lost 17 killed and many wounded. In many cases they had been stabbed in the back as they fled. It was of course quite impossible to keep hold of 2000 camels in those circumstances and only 160 actually reached Serenli. No 1 column after handing over the camels re-joined No2 column at Malkaadi"

Almost all Gedo was Northern Cawlyahan terrritory:
"The operations were against the Northern Aulihan tribe in the area west of the Juba River and north east of a line Waregta-Lak Abaleni-Lorian Swamp-Eil Wak-Dolo, between the 23rd July, 1917 and the 24th March 1918"
http://british-colonial-africa-from-187 ... GLE_2_.pdf

If you type Marehan fled in google, you will get many articles like these.

Nin yohow mise naag baan kuugu yeeraa waayo saad u dhaqanto naaguhuna uma dhaqmaan iska aamus....Taariiq meesha kuma heysaan Walee...

Here is how the map of Jubaland was in 1930s; look where you at:
http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/northeast_ ... fig01f.jpg

[paidmonk]

Why would you argue about Jubbaland with kids from Cabudwaaq iyo Balanbale?

[The_Emperior5]

yeah talk to paid he is a bantu from jamaame

[paidmonk]

yeah talk to paid he is a bantu from jamaame

[CoolPoisons]

Bantu Guhad gormaad adiga Cagdher noqotay. Werent U a new born Hutu. Majority of Caghders in Juboyinka waxa la keenay in 1970 by Jale Siad waqitigi dabo dheer drought. Go ask anyone.

Wilfred Thiesieger in 1917 called Jubaland Marehan land

This what he says

It is very certain that after every effort will be made to clear up contentious questions between us and our present allies, and it has struck me that a fourth His Excellency General Sir Reginald Wingate Governor General of the Sudan. GCB, GCVO, KCMG, DSO, etc. etc.solution might be possible in regards to Abyssinia and Italy which like the other three mentioned in my letter of the 16th May, is based on the primary necessity of acquiring Jibuti without which the whole of the presnt discussion falls to the ground. Briefly stated the fourth proposition would include the cession of the Sudand of Eritrea in return for British Somaliland, French Somaliland and the MAREHAN country, and a protectorate over the whole of Abyssinia. Italy, in return for this, must guarantee to the Sudan all rights over the waters of Tana and the eventual reversion to the Sudan of the four provinces of Gojjam, Walege, Jimma and Kaffs, which are vital to her future prosperity and will then assume all responsibility for the future government of this country. As you mentioned in your letter of the 25th April. "This telegram (of the 27th March) made it clear that His Majesty's Government were anxious arises whether, as regards our future relations with Italy, it would not pay us to make this concession as generous as possible as long as this generosity could be made compatible with thesafeguarding of the interests of each of our Colonies as border on Abyssinia."

The Marehan Union in 1960 waxa laga doortay from Jubaland



Here's the British oo ka cabaadaya Marehan conquering Jubaland



Talhe the lords of Juboyinka had more camels than whole Cagdhers combined

[EEGA9]

Guhaad adaa ka daray markaad la doodaysid ninka alwaaxa ah, xabad taariikh garan maayo "Guul Aabe Siyaad" moyaaane.

The Jubbaland conquest of Ogadeen is well documented,Infact Harti were the second most important clan after Ogaden/Absame this too is well documented by historic journals,articles and books.The evidence this tin-can provided doesnt even give any details about the specifics of any marehan control over any areas except for a episode of Marehan resisting British approaches.The fact is from atleast half of Gedo to Kismayo to the Tana river, the control of these areas rested with Ogadeen rulers.Marexan came into recent prominence after benefitting from Siyad barres policies in the south but historically they have no significance in Jubbaland or atleast Lower Jubba and middle Jubba regions upto Bardheere.Ogadeen are in the cattle trade and are involved in the Camel market in small numbers, so giving camel population per clan doesnt give any indication of regional settlement, control or supremacy.

The Lower Jubba Region contains the largest number of cattle of any region in the country, as well as a sizable number of the country's
camels. Available data on regional and national livestock numbers (as
of 1987) showed that approximately 25 percent of the national cattle
herd or an estimated 860,000 animals were in the region (Janzen 1988;
Hubl 1986).

Notwithstanding the recent prominence of the Marehan and the
presence of smaller clans (e.g., the Tunni and Bimaal) in the area, the
two most important clans are the Ogadeen, especially its Maxamed
Zubeer subclan, and the Herti, primarily the Majerteyn and
Dulbahante sections. The Ogadeen (including the Aulihan section) are
the majority group and greatly outnumber the Herti in the region. The
Maxamed Zubeer subclan and the Herti display differences in their
economic activities in the region.8 The Maxamed Zubeer, who inhabit
most of Afmadow District and a territory extending more than 100
kilometers inside the Kenya border, are closely associated with cattle
pastoralism

While the Ogadeen/Maxamed
Zubeer first moved into the region from the northwest in the late 1840s,
large numbers did not arrive until the 1870s and 1880s

The Ogadeen took control of the lower Jubba
hinterland in the 1870s, forcing Orma herders and small groups of
hunter/gatherers to abandon the area.10 Besteman's (1991) recent work
among settled farmers in the Jubba River valley documents the
important Orma element that characterized the area in the latter half
of the nineteenth century. During approximately the same period,
Kismayo began to grow as a commercial center, attracting Herti
families and their client groups from northeastern Somalia who moved
there to trade and to settle in the hinterland as pastoralists

The influx of Herti clansmen brought them into direct
confrontation with the Ogadeen over control of the lower Jubba. The
Herti in the 1880s "were engaged in a struggle for political supremacy
and control of local commerce with elements of the neighboring
Maxamed Zubeer clan" (Cassanelli 1982, 181); and raids between the
two groups were not uncommon. The Herti also were to become strong
allies of the British colonial state, serving as policemen, clerks, and
soldiers for the administration (Turton 1970, 1972). This close
association further strained their relationship with Ogadeen groups
who had forcefully resisted British colonialism in the region. From
1897 to 1901 several armed clashes took place between the British
garrison posted in Jubaland and the Maxamed Zubeer, the most
noteworthy occurring in 1900 when the British Commissioner of
Jubaland Province was killed (Foreign Office 1901).

The Ogadeen lineages, while mainly focused on production rather
than commerce, exerted an early influence on regional trade patterns.
Historian Peter Dalleo shows how the Maxamed Zubeer Ogadeen of
Afmadow, with their superior military power, controlled caravan
movements in and out of Kismayo town (Dalleo 1975, 82-83). Livestock
and livestock products assumed some significance in the caravan
commerce, but the most important commodity was ivory. The export of
cattle and other products from Kismayo became more important in the
1880s and 1890s, with Herti merchants playing a major part. The
region's most prosperous export trader as of 1989 traced his roots to this
period, when an earlier member of his family moved to Kismayo to
establish an export business (Cassanelli 1982, 181).
A few of these northern traders eventually moved out of Kismayo
into smaller centers like Afmadow, in order to establish market
alliances with the Ogadeen nomads and to be closer to sources of supply.
A small number of Herti merchants married Maxamed Zubeer women.
The town-based merchants and large middlemen often extended credit
to herders and small middlemen, developing a network of market
alliances in the area that extended into what is today northeastern
Kenya (Hjort 1979). When the cattle trade during parts of the colonial
period centered on Kenyan rather than Somali markets, the Ogadeen
nomads and middlemen who occupied much of northeastern Kenya as
well as the Lower Jubba of southern Somalia, had a more substantial
share of the commerce.

[EEGA9]

Its Ramdan now close lets end this debate.