SNM vs WSLF -Taarikh Wars in Gashaamo- how WSLF was defeated

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As i promised few weeks ago that i will bring the actual history that happened in the Somali Region 1981-1987 - Evil days: thirty years of war and famine in Ethiopia

The SNM soon became active in the border area, supporting the isaaq clan in it's ongoing conflict with the ogaden clan. In october 1982, there was fierce fighting in the Gashaamo area. The war between the Isaaq-Garhajis-SNM and the Ogaden-WSLF involved violence against civilians, by both forces and on both sides of the border. At first, the abuses were almost entirely by WSLF, because it had a near-monoply on arms. Lorries were ambushed, traders stopped and robbed , houses looted, Animals stolen, Women raped and civilians killed. In early 1979, between Wajalle and Allabaday , two WSLF fighters raped a women, whose teenage brother then retaliated by shooting the fighters. The commander of WSLF unit then arrived and summarily executed the boy and two other family members. One SNM abuse occured in December 1981 when Isaaq-Garhajis fighters stopped a truck at Dhaberooble, between Werder and Degahabur and killed six WSLF fighters and 13 civilians, all members of the Ogaden clan. Clashes between the fronts were intense during late 1982 and 1983. The SNM succeded in cutting the WSLF off from its rear bases in Northern Somalia. This was a fatal blow to the WSLF, which never recovered. There was a final round of fighting in December 1984-january 1985, but by this time the WSLF was effectively finished.



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Siciid85 wrote:As i promised few weeks ago that i will bring the actual history that happened in the Somali Region 1981-1987 - Evil days: thirty years of war and famine in Ethiopia

The SNM soon became active in the border area, supporting the isaaq clan in it's ongoing conflict with the ogaden clan. In october 1982, there was fierce fighting in the Gashaamo area. The war between the Isaaq-Garhajis-SNM and the Ogaden-WSLF involved violence against civilians, by both forces and on both sides of the border. At first, the abuses were almost entirely by WSLF, because it had a near-monoply on arms. Lorries were ambushed, traders stopped and robbed , houses looted, Animals stolen, Women raped and civilians killed. In early 1979, between Wajalle and Allabaday , two WSLF fighters raped a women, whose teenage brother then retaliated by shooting the fighters. The commander of WSLF unit then arrived and summarily executed the boy and two other family members. One SNM abuse occured in December 1981 when Isaaq-Garhajis fighters stopped a truck at Dhaberooble, between Werder and Degahabur and killed six WSLF fighters and 13 civilians, all members of the Ogaden clan. Clashes between the fronts were intense during late 1982 and 1983. The SNM succeded in cutting the WSLF off from its rear bases in Northern Somalia. This was a fatal blow to the WSLF, which never recovered. There was a final round of fighting in December 1984-january 1985, but by this time the WSLF was effectively finished.



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where is dhabe rooble is it near miholin
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Dhaberooble is west of Moholin, and between the Degahbur and Werder route.


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Siciid85 wrote:Dhaberooble is west of Moholin, and between the Degahbur and Werder route.


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Dhabarooble ma meshaad khada cas saartayba?

beenaale, dad aan dhulka aqoon ugu shekee waxaas
dhabarooble waxay ku talaa gaashamo iyo marsin dexdood,
waxayna SNM:tu ku laysay hal reer oo Reer Dalal ah siiba Reer yuusuf xirsi ,iskana celiyay e habaryoonis hawd oo dhan baa la dagaalamayay

meshaad goobabinta cas saartayna waxaa la yidhahtaa shaygoosh waana magaalo wayn iyo dagmoba reerka dagana ismaba gadhaan.
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Dhaberooble wixi ku taal between Wardheer iyo Degaxbuur like the book explains, i could be wrong with the map though it doesn't hold much significant anyway what matters is WSLF was defeated. :)
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WSLF way burburtay markay dagaalki somaliya iyo itoobiya uu dhamaaday
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WSLF waa urukii Xabashida dhulka badankii ka saaray do you think the rag-tag SNM could defeat them? The mighty WSLF
Fact is there was a small band of WSLF hastily put together by the Somali Gov in there anti-insurgency campaigns which didnt last long.
The other point is this doesnt prove anything about the clan wars which was between clans inhabiting the Hawd.
Most of the Ogaden clans were been brutally subjugated by mengistu but as always despite most of there population having fled to Somalia they stood there gound and defeated SNM clans who were been propped up by the Mengistu Gov.

Furthermore SNM would have been unsucessful if Ogadeni clans didnt loose confidence in Siyaad Barre's Gov.After 77 and specially during the 80's there was a strong shift which lead to the Ogaden contingents leaving Barre.

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dagaalka dhabarooblena, Reer Xirsi Dalal iyo Snm iyo Isaaq oo is wata yaa is laayay....... Anu Waxaan Arkay Xirsi Dalal wiilkuu awoowga u ahaa oo Nolaa ilaa 1988... Qoyskaas labo laga tirsado iyo Jamhada snm oo Ethiopia iyo isaaq oo dhan wadata yaa is laayay..Baaburta lagu dagaal galayay Habar jeclo lahaa laheyd, Burcaa laga keenay... kkk Hal qoys baadna is aragteen, wixii idin qabsadayna, Reer ceynaanshe yaa ka makhraati ahe, wax maka joogaa forumka iyagii.
Daribtiina bahalkii bartiyo dufanka jiidhkiina / Ha idiin duceeyee Dagaal dib ugu soo laabta...... halkaas ayeyba sheekadu taagneyd.
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Faarax-Caytame, what reer xirsi your talking about? get with the programme former WSLF = Ogaden.
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EEGA9 wrote:
Furthermore SNM would have been unsucessful if Ogadeni clans didnt loose confidence in Siyaad Barre's Gov.After 77 and specially during the 80's there was a strong shift which lead to the Ogaden contingents leaving Barre.

Ina aadan ma la yaabtay ninkan lol

Stop making excuses sxb WSLF was defeated and driven out from Gashaamo with or without the help of menigstu, since siad bare side were financing the WSLF in weapon supply it would make sense that the ethiopian side did the same and supplied SNM with weapons but not manpower.
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ina aadan wrote:WSLF way burburtay markay dagaalki somaliya iyo itoobiya uu dhamaaday

There was still remains of it who turned out to become a militia operation in the somali region and harrassing somali civilians until SNM completely destroyed them like it explains in the source.
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Saciid why did you leave this part out :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Together with the Ethiopian army offensives, this was a fatal blow to the WSLF
The SNM succeded in cutting the WSLF off from its rear bases in Northern Somalia. This was a fatal blow to the WSLF, which never recovered
:lol: :lol:

Again WSLF was a target for the Ethiopian army, it was a small band of fighters stitched together after the War-effort but If we are talking the clan wars we know the masaakiin never had a chance.One-side from Hargeisa and One-side from Hawd. :mrgreen:
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horta anigu sidaan maqlay taariikhduna dhigayso dagaaladii 1980s garxajis iyo ogaden bay u dhaxeeyeen,
waxaan maqlay kuwa habar yonis iyo ogaden inay from 1982-1984 ay aad u socdenn
kuwa cidagale iyo ogadena ay from 1984 ilaa 1987 socdeen
waxa kaloon maqlay in beesha ogaden dhul lagaga qabsaday dagaaldaas bal ninkii garanaya ayaa garanayee magaaladii dekeda la odhan jiray ee ogaden lahaa ayaa ka mid ah dhulkii la qabsaday

balse markii xabad joojin la sameeyay waxa lagu heshiiyay in dhulka garxajis qabsaday ee ogaden lahaa aanay cidna degin
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Siciid85 wrote:Faarax-Caytame, what reer xirsi your talking about? get with the programme former WSLF = Ogaden.
War siciido, listen to this new guy EEG9 and farax caytame, you seemed to be blowing things out of proprtion sxb, you fought with one small jilib, about 8 sub sub sections to reer cabdille, stop making it sound like the cause of the SNM group was due to Siad barres policies or WSLF Ogadens fighting with the no wrong can do innocent isaaqs you paint out.

Is it a conincidence that the rebellion started by SNM with the somali poeple began in 1982 but sxb SNM was formed in jeddah and announced in central london by april 1981. is it also any wonder that the founder of SNM was Ahmad Mahammad Culaid and Ahmad Ismaaiil Abdi who was ironically exiled by Siad Barre as early as 1975 for corruption and anti governemnt reasons after being inprisoned in 1971 for trying to bring ethiopian influences in to somalia's political policies.

So to recap, your group was orginally borne out of hate for the somali state, founded by a corrupt renegade who prefered foreign influence in his own land and parliament, declared its founding in london in april 1981 and officialy operated from bases in Ethiopia with the blessings of mangustu by january 1982 and still have the guts to claim you were brutally choped up by ogadens and siad barres government........ :roll: :roll:......... seems to me they were actaully the innocent parties defending themselfs from men with years of meticulous planning and invious barbarism fueld by low self steem and dispotic foreign startagem to rode you like donkeys to destroy their own nation.

you couldn't even fend off yussuf hirsi, dalal let alon reer hirsi or reer dalal, let alone Ogaden wayn.

History sxb. dont just look at what happend, looked at how it happend and what started it. we know how shot the first bullet.
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